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Stop Dating Violence

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/06/video-honors-indiana-teenager-murdered-by-ex-boyfriend/

this story is sad, like why are men this way? Why to do women attract the ones that hurt you the most and the ones that can show you love are standing on the sideline waiting to show you compassion. It isn't fair nor is it right. We gotta stand up men, women are not toys for just sexual gratification, they are not tools, they are human beings! They deserve the up most respect from us, what has become of the real men of the world?
 
I'm going to say this once. Do not group me in with people like that. Do not group yourself in with people like that.

'Men' are not like that. He is like that. He. Him. I will not allow myself or other normal, decent people to be continually stereotyped as murderers or strange sexual deviants. What he did was grossly despicable and should be punished to the full extent of the law, but he does not represent our gender in any way, shape or form.
 
Like it or not Mash, he does represent our gender in this present day and age. Because this is shit the women deal with constantly on a daily basis. Glad your not a violent person but sadly us males have become this way. Its the guys like us who need to be heard that not all of us are like this, because when you look at this it sickens me because all the goo guys are on the side watching it and all the bad guys are doing this constantly. Look at this world dude, this is what men have become. We aren't the protectors anymore we have become preditors now.
 
No, he does not. People like that seem to be the majority, because they are what get reported on, but they are not the baseline. The vast majority that acts right are simply unnoticed because, well, there's nothing noticeable about us.
 
Dating violence is a really serious issue. Abusive relationships are the natural evolution of this, and they can be even worse. Women are more likely to be victims, simply because of the way our culture seems to have turned out, although the outdated, sexist stigmas of men being dominant, protective, emotionless hulks and women being submissive, delicate, housewives are being chipped away at day by day. But there are still people like Elliot Roger, the shooter who thought that women owed him sexual favors, simply because he was a "gentleman". Even so, men can very much be victims as well. I have friends of both genders who have suffered in these kinds of relationships. Plenty of men and women would or have been abusive in relationships, but the vast majority of us find it repulsive, and they don't represent any gender, just their own cruel delusions of power.

Dealing with dating violence is an important issue, but it's not one without solutions. The first step is realizing the relationship is abusive. The number one thing I hear from friends and acquaintances who have been in these relationships is "I thought it was "tough love" ". That's a scary concept. It's almost a type of Stockholm Syndrome, where you desperately want to believe everything is okay and this isn't happening to you, or worse, that you somehow deserve it. That puts depressed people and people with low self esteem at even greater risk.

But we can all help deal with it. One of my friends was in an abusive relationship that included her being raped. The thing that finally snapped her out of it was not the rape, but her friends telling her just how wrong what her boyfriend was doing was. She didn't realize what was going on. So if you have a friend who is in an abusive relationship, please, talk to them. If they won't listen, call a nearby PATH center. They're all over in the US. Urgency is important when it comes to someone's safety. And my friend is now in a very happy relationship with a guy she is likely to be engaged to soon. So happy endings are very possible.
 
Look at this world dude, this is what men have become. We aren't the protectors anymore we have become preditors now.

Look, if that's something that you truly believe then you're certainly allowed to preach it. I won't ever like the fact that you have no respect for yourself, me or any of the other fine, upstanding men that live on this planet, but you have every right to group yourself in with rapists, murderers and pedophiles until your fingers fall off.

That being said, I do feel like it's my duty as a fellow man to tell you that saying self-deprecating shit like this won't get you laid, and if that's your ultimate goal out of this then you're wasting your time.
 
Not all men are like this, and it is so so wrong on many levels and should never happen.

But do the police give enough support in these matters when the women do complain,if the police do take it up and get the cps to prosecute,right at the last moment the victim won't support the prosecution.

What i don't understand for the life of me, is why o why do these women keep going back for more.

Safe houses are sometimes used, and yet these guys manage to trace the victim and the cycle goes on.

not all victims fail to take action, but the police do have a major task getting it to court.

I don't think there is enough support, and information available.


I'am talking UK here not global.


Quote Quote: Originally Posted by ticklishdragon8
Look at this world dude, this is what men have become. We aren't the protectors anymore we have become preditors now.


I don't think you can class all men in this group, i understand that you are talking in general terms, and the bad guys get to you but don't class all guys this way, its counter productive and will loose you support, for what is a good cause and a good post, be positive and tackle your local facilities for dealing with this abuse.
 
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Look, if that's something that you truly believe then you're certainly allowed to preach it. I won't ever like the fact that you have no respect for yourself, me or any of the other fine, upstanding men that live on this planet, but you have every right to group yourself in with rapists, murderers and pedophiles until your fingers fall off.

That being said, I do feel like it's my duty as a fellow man to tell you that saying self-deprecating shit like this won't get you laid, and if that's your ultimate goal out of this then you're wasting your time.

who are you to say who can get laid or not asshole! you need to look at this world and see it thorug hthe right eyes. the point isn't the preach about these guys the point is to preach ot expose these guys. If ya read it right it has nothing ot do with supporint them, tis to get them to stop, to show that the actually men are not around and th eboys are running the town and making these girls feel like shit
 
Not all men are like this, and it is so so wrong on many levels and should never happen.

But do the police give enough support in these matters when the women do complain,if the police do take it up and get the cps to prosecute,right at the last moment the victim won't support the prosecution.

What i don't understand for the life of me, is why o why do these women keep going back for more.

Safe houses are sometimes used, and yet these guys manage to trace the victim and the cycle goes on.

not all victims fail to take action, but the police do have a major task getting it to court.

I don't think there is enough support, and information available.


I'am talking UK here not global.


Quote Quote: Originally Posted by ticklishdragon8
Look at this world dude, this is what men have become. We aren't the protectors anymore we have become preditors now.


I don't think you can class all men in this group, i understand that you are talking in general terms, and the bad guys get to you but don't class all guys this way, its counter productive and will loose you support, for what is a good cause and a good post, be positive and tackle your local facilities for dealing with this abuse.

this is more of an american issue dude, but i'm sure its everywhere. Police don't always have a way to catch them because the girls don't always speak out. I mena they are scared, these guys will kill em if they speak up, so they are shut down and left to stay in a situation they don't wanna be in. When you scare women and they fend for there lives.
 
who are you to say who can get laid or not asshole! you need to look at this world and see it thorug hthe right eyes. the point isn't the preach about these guys the point is to preach ot expose these guys. If ya read it right it has nothing ot do with supporint them, tis to get them to stop, to show that the actually men are not around and th eboys are running the town and making these girls feel like shit

You have one thing right. I imagine I'd need to have very special eyes to make heads or tails of any of this.
 
So I have to agree with Mash on this. It's not men that are messed up, it's some people. People have been messed up for years it's just that now we have the means to talk about it, and that now we actually look down on it. In the past, some of the most successful nations displayed this sort of behavior and no one thought anything of it. Stop, putting women on a pedestal. They are people just like you and me. Once you start associating such behavior with a particular sex it actually becomes socially acceptable. They say, "Oh well boys will be boys..." It also neglects the crimes of women, which is ridiculous. If a women kills her husband in his sleep, she is a murderer, not a female murderer....a murderer. If a guy doesn't kill people, he shouldn't be thought of as a nice man. He should just be a man. By stating that men are a certain way you are setting that as a standard.
 
For the record, since I think my outburst may have sidetracked from OP's original intention, I do not condone what happened and I think that we as a species should be concerned with eliminating this sort of behavior.

All I was saying is that this isn't a gender issue. We don't need to specifically stop male violence - we need to stop violence against innocent human beings altogether. And this isn't just something that men need to be proactive about, women need to be on top of this as well And most importantly, what this man did does not reflect us as a gender. It reflects him as a person.

I apologize if I seemed aggressive, but I absolutely take offense to being categorized with this sort of person just because we're the same gender.
 
(quoted by Marsh 16)

I apologize if I seemed aggressive, but I absolutely take offense to being categorized with this sort of person just because we're the same gender.



I agree with this statement and i think its the thing that bugged me a little, in what was a good post.

My partner pointed out that sometimes women are aggressive towards men, and can get violent, the sort of fatal attraction thing.

I think one factor overlooked is the effect that drink can have in these matters,
but there is still absolutely no excuse for violence, and men are supposed to protect women, in my book anyway.
 
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This is a big serious topic little brother. But you're right it has to stop. Not all men are the same though, obviously. That part I have to agree with, because I've met plenty of guys who are seemingly perfectly decent.
 
Whoever it was that said this guy is a reflection of all men, just please stop having opinions.

As for the topic.... this is a very complex issue rooted in deep-seated psychological issues and varying types of fear. If you've ever heard that old philosophical question about the "unstoppable force vs the immovable object", then the pairings in a domestically violent relationship are often the emotional equivalent.

Generally speaking (and this is for a male perpetrator/female victim dynamic), you have someone with a Ray Rice mindset, often bullied or abused themselves (FRIGHTENINGLY OFTEN) in their childhood, and who repeat the behavior due to the emotional and mental damage they sustained from their own household torture. They witnessed daddy slap around mommy, so it must be okay, right? That's what they've been groomed to believe. On the other end, there is the woman, who unlike what you see in movies, is more likely a victim of childhood abuse as well, hence the mentality that causes her to repeatedly seek out either the same man or similar men. For women, their outlook on the situation usually varies more than men. Some return to their unhealthy relationships because they've adopted the outright wrong belief that they somehow actually deserve the abuse and that it's no different than spanking a child. Some are threatened and beat so severely that (and this is the cruelest scenario) they are ungodly terrified of the consequences of upsetting their boyfriend/husband. Others have a more.... nihilistic view. Women like this, when you get down to the nitty-gritty, might explain that they've simply come to accept this aspect of their lives, and further believe that they've invested so much time into the relationship that it would pointless for them to end the relationship. It can be even harder for mothers, who sometimes feel (or honestly are) wholly dependent on their husbands financially.

For you and I, it seems clear and simple to just walk away. And we're right. But we're not dealing with whatever fucked up trauma and misguidance these people have been poisoned with that leads them to these unhealthy relationships. We're usually used to the hollywood idea of a woman with no troubled history suddenly trapped in a relationship and being too terrified to tell her brothers/father/law enforcement, but sadly there's usually a lot more going on.

This sort of plays a role in why it's such recurring problem in society. Unfortunately, the behavior is seldom corrected when compared to how frequently it's reported. As someone mentioned earlier, it honestly is all too common for the charges to be dismissed by the victim party. Why? A little time for the victim to cool their heads and that dark symbiosis takes a hold of them, and the fear of their boyfriend (and with him her and her children's food and financial stability) being taken away suddenly outweighs the peace of not having him.

For the most part, these are overwhelmingly going to be male on female. But you'll just have to trust me when I say, there are women out there who beat their husbands. I have seen these situations. They are no less ugly and tragic than the alternative. In fact, a lot of these women are savvy enough to default to a weapon because they know inherently they lack the physical strength to do damage hand-to-hand. That's when you see things like hot grease or knives or, oh say, a .45 to the head.

The problem persists perhaps mostly because of cultural differences. Consider this; the reason some countries don't seem to have this as such a hot-button issue is because what we call domestic violence is often what they call "courtship." That and, as clear as this is all might be to you and I, many female victims genuinely don't know that there's help out there for them, they don't know where to go. As for men, they're often more ashamed of admitting to being beaten than the actual fact that they are beaten in the first place.

The best thing society can collectively do is be aware, learn and do all they can to be the opposite. Speak up for those who won't, if you know someone who is or might be dealing with an abusive relationship. Even if they protest, fuck that, do the right thing and speak up. They might tell you that you're complicating their situation, but remember that it's their error for treating this like it's acceptable. That mentality has a ripple effect that places other people in greater danger. If you have to piss off a few people to save 100, then do it. Don't be a Joe Paterno. (Yeah I said it, fuck that guy.)


Okay den... positive closing statements....

Love your wives, love your husbands. Love your children. Break bad cycles and implement good cycles.

..... and since we're on this site anyway..... if you're that upset with your wife...... tickle her feet :3

And if you're upset with your husband..... make him stand in the corner. That's what my girlfriend does to me.
 
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