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milagros317

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I originally posted this thread in order to relate the two anecdotes that are still below, in small font, in the hope that some people would find them interesting. That did not happen.

Instead, this thread evolved into a discussion of charity and how to most effectively help people who need it.

There is nothing wrong with having such a discussion, but it belongs in the Politics & Religion Forum. Please move it there.
-milagros317


1. It was the summer of 1991. I was walking downtown on Central Park West going home from the American Museum of
Natural History. It was a sunny day, so I was wearing a baseball cap to keep the sun off my face. It was one my
Brooklyn Dodger caps.

A man was standing on the corner of 73rd Street and Central Park West and he was asking everybody who passed by,
"Can you spare me some change? I'm trying to get enough for lunch." Nobody was giving him any money. He looked as if
he would spend the money on a cheap bottle of wine, if he got enough cash.

When I went by, however, he said instead, "Oh, Brooklyn Dodgers. I was a Brooklyn Dodger fan."

I stopped walking and took a good look at him. He appeared to be about 50, a not very healthy 50. I said, "You look
old enough to have been a Brooklyn Dodger fan. In the year they won the World Series, in 1955, the starting pitching
rotation was Don Newcombe, Carl Erskine, Billy Loes, and Johnny Podres. The ace out of the bullpen was Clem Labine. Now,
you tell me who the eight regular position players were."

He said, "Roy Campanella was the catcher, Gil Hodges at first base, Jim Gilliam at second base, Jackie Robinson at third
base that year, moved there to make room for Gilliam, Peewee Reese at shortstop, Sandy Amoros in left field, Duke Snider
in center field, and Carl Furillo played right field."

He smiled as he finished. I reached for my wallet and took it out. "Absolutely correct," I said.

"Then you'll give me a couple of bucks for lunch?" he asked.

"Better than that," I said. "Have a good lunch today. There aren't many of us Brooklyn Dodger fans left." I handed him
a $20 bill and turned to walk home. It may have been spent on wine, whiskey, or crack cocaine, but I didn't care.

2. It was the spring of 2015. On a warm April day, I was walking south on Broadway, heading to work, passing my local
bank branch just north of 61st Street. A young blonde woman, about 20, was sitting on the sidewalk right outside the
vestibule with half a dozen ATM's inside. Actually, she was sitting on a big piece of cardboard which was on the
sidewalk. Another big piece of cardboard was propped up against the bank's wall behind her. On it was written, "Homeless
but NOT Hopeless. Please help me." A hat with a few dollar bills in it was near her feet.

As I went by she looked me in the eyes and said, "I'm hungry. Please help me."

"Nobody is going to believe that you're homeless with a pedicure like that," I said, pointing to her feet, in sandals,
with what looked like a professional pedicure, applied in a nail salon, with gleaming bright blue polish and perfectly
shaped toenails.

She blushed and didn't reply.

"What you need to do," I said, "is go home and put on your oldest, dirtiest sneakers. Then maybe people will believe
that you're homeless." I walked away without putting any money into the hat.

The next day, I was walking south on Broadway and I saw, in the exact same spot, the same young woman sitting on the same
piece of cardboard with the same cardboard sign behind her. But now she was wearing a very dirty pair of old sneakers.

She looked up at me, recognized me from the day before, and didn't say anything. I took out my wallet and dropped a
$5 bill into her hat. She looked shocked but still didn't say anything. "Nobody every takes my advice," I said, "and
you did." I continued south on Broadway headed to work.
 
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You don't usually give money to panhandlers. Most of us don't (I rarely carry cash anymore).
But they don't pat themselves on the back for it, either. :shrug:
 
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My Bf and I will always give money to someone if we have at least a little something to give. Lately my Bf has been doing pretty well financially. A few weeks ago we finally got to go out for a nice dinner for the first time in over a year. And when someone came begging- he gave him $20.00 and his business card. He was told to call us and we both said we would put him in touch with the right people for shelter and a job. He never called. But he was grateful and on the verge of tears. I've never seen someone look so sad. I held his cold hands for awhile to warm them up.

At the end of the day... no matter what that money is going towards... at least we made someone happy. And it feels good to make people happy. So... ultimately scammers have to live with themselves. Begging is pretty degrading in of itself so... if someone is willing to go THAT far... shoot... take it and have a smile for a little while. And whatever treat the person wants. Thats an awful life. And whatever lead him and others to having this life probably wasn't good.

Once I was looking for a roommate. I can't remember where I put the ad but I ended up almost falling for the scam where someone responds to your ad and writes "I want to pay you upfront for the next 6 months. Heres 5,000. Thankfully my Bf and I had just started dating and he realized something was up right off the bat. If I had cashed that check... oh boy what a disaster. I could have lost all my savings at the time. (I can't remember exactly how the scam works but... it woulden't have ended well for me.)

So... out of all the scams going on in life. Begging is the most honest one imo. Its weird to look at it like that I know but... its how I have to.
 
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My Bf and I will always give money to someone if we have at least a little something to give. Lately my Bf has been doing pretty well financially. A few weeks ago we finally got to go out for a nice dinner for the first time in over a year. And when someone came begging- he gave him $20.00 and his business card. He was told to call us and we both said we would put him in touch with the right people for shelter and a job. He never called. But he was grateful and on the verge of tears. I've never seen someone look so sad. I held his cold hands for awhile to warm them up.

At the end of the day... no matter what that money is going towards... at least we made someone happy. And it feels good to make people happy. So... ultimately scammers have to live with themselves. Begging is pretty degrading in of itself so... if someone is willing to go THAT far... shoot... take it and have a smile for a little while. And whatever treat the person wants. Thats an awful life. And whatever lead him and others to having this life probably wasn't good.

Once I was looking for a roommate. I can't remember where I put the ad but I ended up almost falling for the scam where someone responds to your ad and writes "I want to pay you upfront for the next 6 months. Heres 5,000. Thankfully my Bf and I had just started dating and he realized something was up right off the bat. If I had cashed that check... oh boy what a disaster. I could have lost all my savings at the time. (I can't remember exactly how the scam works but... it woulden't have ended well for me.)
So... out of all the scams going on in life. Begging is the most honest one imo. Its weird to look at it like that I know but... its how I have to.

I think that's the mark of a generous spirit. I remember, long, long, ago, my then-girlfriend and her best friend/roommate were out running errands, and stopped to give a fellow on the street some cash. After hearing his story (just moved to town, job fell through, wife was pregnant, they were living in a motel, etc). My girlfriend was happy giving him a few dollars, but the roommate insisted they come back to the apartment, and fill a couple of grocery bags to take to his wife at the motel. I drove. And I ended up marrying the roommate.
 
I guess my position is pretty simple. If you can afford to give, then give. Their will always be those who take advantage of people, but that doesn't mean you have to stop being kind to others. Maybe nine out of ten panhandlers will spend the money on drugs or alcohol, but maybe that tenth one will do something good with the money. Just my 10 cents.
 
I think that's the mark of a generous spirit. I remember, long, long, ago, my then-girlfriend and her best friend/roommate were out running errands, and stopped to give a fellow on the street some cash. After hearing his story (just moved to town, job fell through, wife was pregnant, they were living in a motel, etc). My girlfriend was happy giving him a few dollars, but the roommate insisted they come back to the apartment, and fill a couple of grocery bags to take to his wife at the motel. I drove. And I ended up marrying the roommate.

Wow. 🙂

When I was 17 I volunteered in a Homeless Shelter for a while. And the Christmas Eve I spent helping give food out and processing food donations felt better than any Christmas since.

The other way I look at things is that: If I spend my whole life questioning every persons motive... that ultimately could make me a very bitter person. My family was scammed out of a lot of money and almost their lives with "Caregivers". For quite a while I carried a lot of hate in my heart for people who do these things. But eventually I had to let it go. But that kind of scam has had bad and sometimes deadly consequences for those its aimed at. Begging scams... thats nothing compared.

My Bf has been been held up at gunpoint and robbed. Besides the very easy route to bitterness... there are so many who are in actual dire need. And so...its mainly for these people we can't turn our backs on them. And there isnt time nor want in life enough to question everyones motives. I'd just rather assume I'm truly helping people.

True scammers... who take advantage of the elderly, charities, etc etc etc... well... I hope they get caught. Thats all I can say.

Hell... theres a nationwide locksmithing scam thats affecting my Bf's business as we speak. (Look up Dateline NBC : Locksmith scam for details.) This is actively taking money from our pockets and the victims of it. And we get angry. But... all we can do is make people aware of it. And remember not everyone thinks or does things like this.
 
Dad was homeless for many years. One of his friends (purple heart vietnam vet) froze to death on the streets. Im glad there was enough good left in the world then that my dad was able to avoid the same fate as his friend
 
I guess my position is pretty simple. If you can afford to give, then give. Their will always be those who take advantage of people, but that doesn't mean you have to stop being kind to others. Maybe nine out of ten panhandlers will spend the money on drugs or alcohol, but maybe that tenth one will do something good with the money. Just my 10 cents.
I would say your estimate of 90% is the same as my estimate.
City shelters are rather awful places as well.
I still maintain that private charitable institutions are the best way to help the homeless. One of the best here in New York City is POTS (Part of the Solution). Money that I give to them actually helps. Here is part of their mission statement:
POTS is a ‘one-stop shop’ assisting individuals living in poverty on their journeys from crisis to stability and ultimately, self-sufficiency. POTS is dedicated to providing a professional and hospitable environment where every interaction is based on compassion and respect.
And here is their website:
http://www.potsbronx.org/
 
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^That is all that I will ever see of what you post. That is because, in my opinion, not even one minute of my time should be wasted reading whatever you have to say on any topic.

I don't know why you bother to respond to my posts any more.
You are welcome to waste your time doing so.
 
Dad was homeless for many years. One of his friends (purple heart vietnam vet) froze to death on the streets. Im glad there was enough good left in the world then that my dad was able to avoid the same fate as his friend
I am very sorry to hear that your father went through that experience and for so long. An organization like POTS (Part of the Solution) would have helped him. I don't know if there was one where your father was living.
http://www.potsbronx.org/
 
I hardly ever give change to beggars because 1) I just barely get through the month on my own, living on minimum wage currently, and 2) London can be extortionate to live in, especially public transport (a single Tube fare in central London currently costs £2.40 ($2.96)). And when I see a beggar roaming through carriages asking for change with a fancy backstory, I just can't help but think 'mate...if you can afford to get on the Tube, you can easily afford a day's worth of food'.

I do have my moments when I help out people in need. There was this couple I ran into, they didn't look like beggars at all. They were neatly dressed and groomed, but fed me a story about some bad luck and needing money for a train ticket back home (something in his eyes suggested to me that he wasn't lying). I didn't have any cash on me, the guy then suggested going to the nearest ATM. Whether or not it was naive of me to agree, I eventually did and withdrew a £10 note for them, money I needed because I was practically broke that day myself (he also offered to repay me when he'd get the chance, I told him to forget it and just take it). I left hoping that that money genuinely went to something good.

Regarding charities, I keep seeing ads on the Tube from charities for cancer, animals, war zones, all kinds really. Almost all of them ask for a £3 text message of help. I kept wondering if these were even genuine. Finally a few weeks ago I decided to text BED to a charity for homeless teenagers looking for a safe bed for Christmas (I feel pretty strongly about depressed teens, they don't get enough help imo, and their families often dismiss it as childish fits). A week or so later, I got a call from said charity who thanked me for my donation and then went into detail about an offer to keep in touch with them and a teenager I'd choose to help. I thought okay sure. They then requested my full name, address. All sounded pretty reasonable until they requested my bank account details...that's where I hung up. I wasn't comfortable with sharing my account details on the phone; just last summer I got scammed twice. Is it normal for charities to request such things?

Maybe I should try looking into private charities instead.
 
^That is all that I will ever see of what you post. That is because, in my opinion, not even one minute of my time should be wasted reading whatever you have to say on any topic.

I don't know why you bother to respond to my posts any more.
You are welcome to waste your time doing so.

You could always go on "ignoring" me, although you seem to spend more time telling me you're ignoring me than actually ignoring me.
 
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Giving to charities is all well and good and I'm sure it makes people feel good to think that their money is going to a good cause. Of course, you don't really know if your money is going to a good cause, and if it is, how much of it is going to people who need it. And most people who have never needed help have no idea how difficult it is to get help, to even get into a shelter. If you think you can just show up at a homeless shelter and they'll give you a bed and a bowl of soup you're wrong, it's a lot more complicated than that. Also - crackheads don't panhandle, they don't have the patience for it. If you don't want to help someone out with some change or a few bucks, that's fine, that's your business, but if you don't want to help someone out because you think that begging or being homeless is the result of being a bad person, or some moral failing...you're wrong.
 
I think that's the mark of a generous spirit. I remember, long, long, ago, my then-girlfriend and her best friend/roommate were out running errands, and stopped to give a fellow on the street some cash. After hearing his story (just moved to town, job fell through, wife was pregnant, they were living in a motel, etc). My girlfriend was happy giving him a few dollars, but the roommate insisted they come back to the apartment, and fill a couple of grocery bags to take to his wife at the motel. I drove. And I ended up marrying the roommate.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just curious. Did your romantic involvement with your ex girlfriend's best friend impact their friendship?

On topic, I used to regularly give money to people who were asking for it, just a dollar or two, but eventually I realized that most of them used it for drugs or alcohol. The worst was the people who literally would stand outside of a liquor store panhandling and claim they weren't going to spend it on booze. Several years ago while driving, I saw a man standing next to the highway holding a cardboard sign saying "will work for food". Anyone willing to work for food must be pretty hungry right? So I turned around and headed back to a restaurant that I had just passed and ordered a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee. I drove back to where the man was standing and pulled over. I got out of the car and told him I didn't have any work for him to do, but here's some food and a cup of coffee. He said no thank you, there's "someone" who has some leaves for me to rake later. You might think he was too proud to take hand outs without working for it, but you'd be wrong. While I was still there a woman in a shiny new SUV pulled up and had her young daughter hand the man a 20 dollar bill which he accepted without hesitation and a "God bless you". The guy couldn't even take the free food I offered, which he claimed he was willing to work for, feign gratitude and throw it away after I left.

I do still feel bad just flat out telling people no, so I changed my approach. Now when I'm asked for money, I offer to bring the person to a nearby restaurant and buy them some food. I have never been taken up on the offer. Not once. Go figure.

As far as giving money to people when you're pretty sure they're going to spend it on alcohol or drugs... at the end of the day, do you really think enabling someone's self destructive habits is helping them? I don't.
 
Giving to charities is all well and good and I'm sure it makes people feel good to think that their money is going to a good cause. Of course, you don't really know if your money is going to a good cause, and if it is, how much of it is going to people who need it. And most people who have never needed help have no idea how difficult it is to get help, to even get into a shelter. If you think you can just show up at a homeless shelter and they'll give you a bed and a bowl of soup you're wrong, it's a lot more complicated than that. Also - crackheads don't panhandle, they don't have the patience for it. If you don't want to help someone out with some change or a few bucks, that's fine, that's your business, but if you don't want to help someone out because you think that begging or being homeless is the result of being a bad person, or some moral failing...you're wrong.

I guess it's not enough for some people to just not give panhandlers money; they have to feel superior, too.
 
I'm not trying to be a dick, just curious. Did your romantic involvement with your ex girlfriend's best friend impact their friendship?
I don't see how that's a dickish question. There wasn't a huge issue about it, but they weren't as close anymore. Everyone was single by the time the best friend moved in with me (right after breaking up with her fiance).

On topic, I used to regularly give money to people who were asking for it, just a dollar or two, but eventually I realized that most of them used it for drugs or alcohol. The worst was the people who literally would stand outside of a liquor store panhandling and claim they weren't going to spend it on booze. Several years ago while driving, I saw a man standing next to the highway holding a cardboard sign saying "will work for food". Anyone willing to work for food must be pretty hungry right? So I turned around and headed back to a restaurant that I had just passed and ordered a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee. I drove back to where the man was standing and pulled over. I got out of the car and told him I didn't have any work for him to do, but here's some food and a cup of coffee. He said no thank you, there's "someone" who has some leaves for me to rake later. You might think he was too proud to take hand outs without working for it, but you'd be wrong. While I was still there a woman in a shiny new SUV pulled up and had her young daughter hand the man a 20 dollar bill which he accepted without hesitation and a "God bless you". The guy couldn't even take the free food I offered, which he claimed he was willing to work for, feign gratitude and throw it away after I left.
I do still feel bad just flat out telling people no, so I changed my approach. Now when I'm asked for money, I offer to bring the person to a nearby restaurant and buy them some food. I have never been taken up on the offer. Not once. Go figure.
As far as giving money to people when you're pretty sure they're going to spend it on alcohol or drugs... at the end of the day, do you really think enabling someone's self destructive habits is helping them? I don't.
I think that's a reasonable (and charitable) way to deal with panhandlers. If you offer help that they claim they need (like food), and they refuse it, that's their issue.
 
Giving to charities is all well and good and I'm sure it makes people feel good to think that their money is going to a good cause. Of course, you don't really know if your money is going to a good cause, and if it is, how much of it is going to people who need it. And most people who have never needed help have no idea how difficult it is to get help, to even get into a shelter. If you think you can just show up at a homeless shelter and they'll give you a bed and a bowl of soup you're wrong, it's a lot more complicated than that. Also - crackheads don't panhandle, they don't have the patience for it. If you don't want to help someone out with some change or a few bucks, that's fine, that's your business, but if you don't want to help someone out because you think that begging or being homeless is the result of being a bad person, or some moral failing...you're wrong.
I know that POTS (Part of the Solution) does good work because, besides giving them money, I have also been a volunteer in one of their soup kitchens, the one quite near my former employer's main campus. (I'm now retired.)
 
milagros317, with all due respect, I cannot disagree with you enough on this issue. I was homeless for two years after being laid off from a minimum wage job and spent all my savings and earnings looking for a new job while trying to keep my apartment, car, and the clothes on my back (not to mention food to eat). I lost everything and for those two years I had to rely on shelters and the kindness of strangers to keep from dying on the street while looking for another job. Fortunately, through the aid of non-profits and NY state programs I was able to get back on my feet and now I have a girlfriend, a better single-bedroom apartment, and a car again as well as a full-time job. If it wasn't for the kindness of strangers and the very same government programs that you apparently hold in such disregard, I would have died from either starvation or exposure to the elements. Yes, private charities can certainly help and I very much welcome their efforts but that does not mean that the states and federal government shouldn't also try and help people to get back on their feet
 
I don't see many panhandlers where I live or work but when I do I give what I can. P T Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute and maybe he's right. It's my money though and I work hard for it, so what I do with it is up to me, what they do with it is up to them. Hopefully they will put it to good use but there are no guarantees in life.

 
We should never cease being kind to one another. If people gave up being kind, compassionate, and empathetic due to a disappointment every now and again then the world would have been rendered a living Hell for all long ago.
 
I'm not trying to be a dick, just curious. Did your romantic involvement with your ex girlfriend's best friend impact their friendship?

On topic, I used to regularly give money to people who were asking for it, just a dollar or two, but eventually I realized that most of them used it for drugs or alcohol. The worst was the people who literally would stand outside of a liquor store panhandling and claim they weren't going to spend it on booze. Several years ago while driving, I saw a man standing next to the highway holding a cardboard sign saying "will work for food". Anyone willing to work for food must be pretty hungry right? So I turned around and headed back to a restaurant that I had just passed and ordered a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee. I drove back to where the man was standing and pulled over. I got out of the car and told him I didn't have any work for him to do, but here's some food and a cup of coffee. He said no thank you, there's "someone" who has some leaves for me to rake later. You might think he was too proud to take hand outs without working for it, but you'd be wrong. While I was still there a woman in a shiny new SUV pulled up and had her young daughter hand the man a 20 dollar bill which he accepted without hesitation and a "God bless you". The guy couldn't even take the free food I offered, which he claimed he was willing to work for, feign gratitude and throw it away after I left.

I do still feel bad just flat out telling people no, so I changed my approach. Now when I'm asked for money, I offer to bring the person to a nearby restaurant and buy them some food. I have never been taken up on the offer. Not once. Go figure.

As far as giving money to people when you're pretty sure they're going to spend it on alcohol or drugs... at the end of the day, do you really think enabling someone's self destructive habits is helping them? I don't.

No I don't. And you know what? That's a really good idea offering to take someone somewhere to get something to eat rather than just hand them money. Where I live tourism is major so the homeless don't ever give a story. They don't have to. Theres enough people coming through.

I'm going to talk to my Bf later tonight about what you're doing and see what he thinks. You raise a completly valid point.
 
I don't usually donate to charities because I don't know where the moneys going. I donate my time at a nursing home instead. much more rewarding.
 
I don't usually donate to charities because I don't know where the moneys going. I donate my time at a nursing home instead. much more rewarding.
Donating your time is rewarding, as I discovered at the POTS soup kitchen.
But you can come to trust the people who run a charity, in particular if it is a local charity, operating near where you live.
 
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