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The chuck rule

jj82277

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A lot was made last season about the major point of imphasis put on the chuck rule last year. just to clarify, you were never supposed to be able to touch a reciever after 5 yards. for the last few years ref's weren't calling it, and in turn i think that coaches were teaching bad TECHNIQUE. I am about 290 pounds of mean ex-lineman, and i can easily cover all my reciever friends in any 20 yard box using press coverage for less than 5 yards, turn, and run. after about 10 yards in any direction the speed differential catches up with me, i think you get the point but the technique is still what i picked up listening in on db practice.

When you go back and look at film, you see that when you shock the reciever within 4 yards, turn and run, you are always in a better position to make a play on the ball. I frankly got tired of seeing pass defenders pass up interceptions so they could ride the reciever out of bounds. there was actually a demonstration of this using tape of Ty law, on the same fade route, from the colts game the year before implimintation. On the first play he rode the guy out of bounds with no flag. on the second play he had what would now be considered legal technique, (was not trying to play patty cake with the wide out) had his head turned for the ball, and made the interception. I think this is the year with the most corners breaking 4.4, and it is the best combine in history bare none for sub 4.3's. these kids were making deon look like a safety. It may not look like it and call me crazy, but i think in the long run as coaches adjust technique instead of scheme, you will not only see man coverage come back to the mainstream, but also the next generation of hall of fame corners.

I personally think that the rule in of itself, (which was only a five yard infraction) did not make that much of an impact, coaches going to that cover 4 shell stuff that does not even look like it would ever work was the culprit this past season. There used to be a major point of imphasis on not blocking with your hands when Lombardi was still coaching, did you see them go to some all out pass offense; no, they taught them to pinch there jerseys while run blocking. And to this day, running the ball is still the staple of winning. I think that it was the coaches andcoordinators fault for letting the refs take them out of their style of play. I think that some of the younger corners who were coming in learning the proper technique had great years. the young kid from south carolina that played for the texans as a rookie had 6 picks. Rasheen Mathis, my favorite player (I got his qutograph at the NFL experience) had 5. I think it's because they are young and fast and were more concerned about making plays on the ball than they were holding hands with the reciever downfield. I think that some of the old veterans, particularly some of the ones who got signed to big contracts, were still a little used to the old way of things and could not adjust. I don't know how Champ Bailey got into the Pro-bowl this year but hey it's politics.
 
You mention Bailey and Law..but the best coverage back in my opinion is Charles Woodson.(even if he was a Wolverine and im a huge Buckeyes fan) I agree with you..Im bigger guy who could run with the quickest of guys..and make some plays that at my size I shouldnt have made. We were a D3 school playin D1 teams in Highschool..state powerhouses at that. We had to be good to play with them boys. New England was good for abusing the 5 yd rule the year before last..basically it was a reason they enforced it this past year. Especially Rodney Harrison..He was always grabbing a WR 10-15 yds down the field.
 
You know, I get tired of the NFL inserting a new rule only for it to be ignored by the officials (or only conveniently called).
I agree, the chuck rule did not have much of an impact, but I think that it was more because of that than the coverage schemes.
Also, I swear if I hear one more announcer go on about how important having a great running game and/or balanced offence is I'm gonna f***ing scream. Not that I don't think that these things are important, but to make such statments is an overgeneraliation. Different offenses function DIFFERENTLY. I have always subscribed to the original concept of the Walsh West Coast scheme (not the bastardized versions of it we see today). Granted, the running game was important, but in that scheme the short pass/run after the catch was the most important thing and the passing game ALWAYS set up the run. What do you want to bet that the know-it-alls back then were also going on and on about running ball this and balanced offense that. Yeah, Walsh's offense just produced 5 superbowls is all...ridiculous. Btw, I'm not trying to start an argument or anything here...this is just my own personal pet peeve.
 
What is it about Charles Woodson. I get it, he won the heisman as a defensive player, and granted living in Florida i don't get to see him play every week, but i look at his stats, and i think he's below expectation. People were talking about making him the highest paid cornerback in the leauge in free-agency and the guy only has 2 picks over the last two seasons. I know he has great combine stats (some call it physicall ability), but honestly is there something i'm missing.

and thank you for mentioning Harrison as a former habitual offender. I think that he crystalizes my point about actually making DB's better with better technique. 4 picks in 3 games and a defensive touchdown. why, because instead of trying to grab the guy, he was LOOKING TO MAKE A PLAY ON THE BALL.

Alchemy, i feel you man. I felt that way about two years ago too, but you have to trust me on this. In todays game you have to. I know, I like to see passes too, but look at the film. the eye in the sky don't lie. Take the superbowl. Eagles couldn't run water in a sink. Donivan McNabb had to throw 51 times, and he threw 3 interceptions. And for McNabb with his inconsistent release that is about accurate. they are actually very lucky that TO came back (and he earned a lot of respect from me, real selfless heart) because he was there most physical presence with all those brocken tackles. If it wasn't for him, it would have been a remake of the divisional playoffs against the colts, but with a more fine tuned Pats offense (or in film, the silence of the eagles) When you make any team one demensional the law of large numbers = interceptions. I know it sucks, but look at the vikings, look at the colts, look directly at the chiefs. all good well coached teams, but they couldn't get over the hump, because when they needed 5 yards they couldn't get it, and you loose a lot less fumbles than you throw interceptions, that's just a fact of nature. Defenses these days are just too good against the pass to do it exclusively, but If you can run consistently there's nothing you can do about it.

And the Walsh West coast is the original and true west coast, but that's what made it so succesful, it was new. now teams have had a decade to study film, and they know what the plays are so it lost a lot of its glamour. like the rams offense when it first came out, how do you stop it, then the physical Pats came along and just hit the recievers in the mouth. no more problem. and having Joe Montanah, Steve Young, and oh yeh Jerry Rice might have helped just a little.

will a passing team ever win another superbowl, ofcourse. I mean it's not impossible. but the level of consistency that was enjoyed by the Old School Packesrs, the 70's steelers, the Cowboys of the 90's and the new kids on the block Pats is because of consistent physical intenstiy, that is a direct function of Run the ball stop the run. ( I know it gets old, but fundamentals and discipline beat talent on any given sunday)
 
jj82277 said:
What is it about Charles Woodson. I get it, he won the heisman as a defensive player, and granted living in Florida i don't get to see him play every week, but i look at his stats, and i think he's below expectation.


I dont know..lol! I know he is a primary focus on opposing offenses to try and get him off his game cause he is a good cover corner. I Love Surtain and Madison from my 'Phins. They are good corners but one of the is too cocky..*cough"surtan"cough* Yep Patrick thinks he is gods gift to corners. I still gotta have love for the guy, he still is a dolphin and they are my team! Will Allen is another good corner(i think hes corner..or hes comin from safety to pick off the WR) and Mike Brown from Chicago (another one I might be mistaken a saftey for a corner) Eitherway they make big plays..especially Brown who won two games in 03 i believe on INT's Returned for TDs
 
i think ta few years from now we will be talking about Carlos Rogers, Marlin Jackson, Foxwoth, Atrell Rolle, Deangelo Hall, Dunta Robinson, and Rasheen Mathis as the premier corners in the league
 
Marlin and Antrell definately could have a huge impact on the NFL. I like Hall too. Robinson in my eyes could be what woodson once was. In a few years..Also watch out for a threat from my Buckeyes..he goes by the name of Ted Ginn Jr. An all around threat. Basically a better and more "straighter" version of Kordell Stewart. lmao *referring to the comments about Slash being gay..lmao..who fuckin care! He can play if hes good enough too. Esera Toualo did(first openly gay football player in the NFL) I also have his rookie card..lmao!
 
naveltklr1350 said:
but the best coverage back in my opinion is Charles Woodson

Wow, it's a first for me to see or hear a non-Raider fan talk highly of Woodson. I'm a Raider fan here in the Bay Area, and watched Woodson throughout his career. When he's not injured, yes, he's the best or one of. He got a lot of slack the past couple of years, but thats because he went through turf toe, separated shoulder, fractured bone in his leg (which he played through with a metal plate).
The complaint around the Raider Nation is, yes he's good, but he's not getting any better...or hasn't gotten any better. His first couple of years, he relied a lot on his ability and did little studying and film work. But now, we believe with maturity and more experience, he should have more of an impact and should be making more plays, but he's not. Now, he signs a one year tender for 10Mil and everyone on the Raider message boards wants him traded. I personally think we need to keep him because who do we have that will replace him? Phillip Buchanon? He hasn't lived up to his ability yet.
 
jj82277 said:
i think ta few years from now we will be talking about Carlos Rogers, Marlin Jackson, Foxwoth, Atrell Rolle, Deangelo Hall, Dunta Robinson, and Rasheen Mathis as the premier corners in the league

Watch out for Fabian Washington too. He might not end up being "premiere", but he'll be up there.
 
that was actually ther guy that i was thinking of. Didn't Fabion run like a 4.25 in the 40. at that position it could catapult him into the late first round, and ill tell you what as a jags fan with one secure cover corner i would love to see them trade dwon and pick him up at around 30-35 (if you haven't noticed i love to play monopoly with draft choices. too many years on franchise mode i guess).

And i didn't realize that woodson had gone through all that, so i think i will cut him a little slack, but you are right, when you don't run a 4.3 anymore you have to study harder and perfect technique when your devestating recovery speed leaves you. I think that is what made Rod Woodson such a great player later in his career.

I through out a lot of 40 times, and i also am one of the people that knows it only tells part of the story, but i have to admit that it is a fun way to tangiably rate skill positions. It's funny, because everyone thinks tht it's so important to value and draft position, I just noticed that 40 in capital font is $ ). I think that the designers of the keyboard were trying to tell us something.
 
jj82277 said:
(if you haven't noticed i love to play monopoly with draft choices. too many years on franchise mode i guess).

LMAO!! I'm in the same boat!!! ha haa! I actually have one franchise on Madden dedicated solely on going through the offseason menu only!! 😀
 
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