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The World Is Not A US Colony

ShiningIce

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"If you don't agree all the world is an American colony let me ask you a simple question. Do you have a McDonalds in Germany? A KFC? Just wondering.

History has been tying the world together, along with technology. And the closer the world gets, the more American it gets. The world could do without Germany, Japan, England, France et al. But if America went into isolation the rest of the world would crash. Economically aND politically. "



The height of uninformed folly is displayed in this simplistic statement. Does he think we are self-sufficient and alone can maintain the standard of living extant? Is he aware of the motivation that inspired Japan to attack Pearl Harbor? Countries will not suffer deprivation imposed by another nation. Japan perhaps felt entitled of our iron ore and scrap metal, petroleum. He sounds dangerous.

If America went into isolation, America would crash first, then would follow Japan, England, Germany and finally France, in that order. The nation most dependent upon technology and comfort will always go first. Is MacDonalds the standard for U.S. exports and achievement? Frenchmen would not stop their children from eating McDonalds? Let us assume that this notion's scribe understands isolation as meaning withdrawal from international exchanges of all types.

We are the nation with 10% of the world's population that uses over 25% of the world's resources. Without imported oil will not our industrial, civic and political machinery come to a slowing down. Our spoiled, undisciplined and whiny citizenry would be outraged that we should experience electrical brownouts, long lines at the $4.50 per gallon fuel pumps, heating gas prices so high thermostats would have to be set at 64 degrees in winter, etc. Need we go further than petroleum imports?

We could no longer get our BMWs, Jaguars, Volvos, heaven forbid- even Mercedes Benzes. No Michelins, Bridgestones; no more DVDs, televisions, other electronic gadgets, and toys. Surely people don't think we make anything anymore, do they? Without light bulbs we would have to make our own candles. Dell would not be able to make computers; nor would HP, Compaq, even MacIntosh. St. Louis shoe factories would have to be reopened and workers trained to make shoes. Beer would be a luxury item at $15 per bottle (hops are imported, you know). Without imports all we would have would be those mindless TV shows that show the rest of the world how shallow we are. We would have to all sit in one room and watch them together because our source for the 2nd and third TVs would be gone. We might be forced to read books and even talk with one another.

Indeed, the rest of the industrialized world would be nearly as devastated as the U.S. economy. Foreigners are better equipped to handle shortages than are denizens of the U.S. Foreigners have more experience of deprivation. They know how to make do. The people who live on the Kalahari would be unaffected, as would be those living on the Pampas of the Southern Cone of South America. Villagers in Sri Lanka would care less. Lives there woiuld not change an iota. Foreigners' expectations are not as great as this nation's. Besides those in Europe, the Islamic world and many Asians and South Americans will be willing to tolerate more misery just with the knowledge that Americans are suffering as well.

Americans will crack first. Our politicians are less willing than their European and Japanese counterparts to tell citizens the truth about almost any situation. Japanese leaders will apologize to the nation in public, resign, and quietly commit sepukku. European politicians will resign and go off to the countryside and grow olives and onions. U.S. politicians will deny, obfuscate, blame Bill Clinton, lie and watch U.S. citizens follow their distortions lemming-like happily down to the sea and drown themselves. Anyone who dares speak the truth aloud will be condemned (possibly permanently silenced) as being unpatriotic and divisive.

When U.S. citizens finally wake up and realize where we are, they will take to the streets in confused rage. Some heroic leader will demand that the foreigners who caused our misery be taught a lesson. Our noble president and Congress will insist upon bombing someone. As there will be little political contact among nations, other nations will retaliate, not in kind, but with small bombs in our midsts being ferried about in wagons, baby carriages, autos, trucks, on bicycles, foot and ferry boats. They will respond with nail-laden explosives made by following recipes in the Anarchist's Cookbook....More of them will die because our bombs are larger, but they will be more willing to endure. The fighting would have to end before someone thinks nuclear bombs could ensure victory.

I suggest very strongly that the author of the ludicrous statement at the beginning of this exercise knows very little about the U.S. The U.S. power structure will never allow isolation of this country. It simply is not economically profitable
 
I don't agree,

I think that putting establishments in other countries has nothing to do with politics, and EVERYTHING to do with MONEY. It's a greed affliction, not a political campaign. I'm not saying that politics aren't involved at all, I mean, Politics run the world. But the basics for McDonalds Corp. for putting 30,000 restaraunts in every country is 99% due to the fact that the owners know that they will gross a high profit!
 
Actually...

My 79,000 dollar collection of History and Economics books says otherwise 🙂

I'd imagine in 30 some odd years researching the genesis of WW2 and the subsequent years I've learned quite a bit more and have the ability to make better judgements on this sort of stuff than a wet behind the years 18 year old.

Perhaps you better read what you quoted and try to get your tiny teenage brain to understand the meaning behind the words.

Also, you just proved you have no understanding of what the Japanese were really shooting for pre WW2.

Get some primary sources, read them for about the next year. Try to understand what I meant by the McDonalds quote. Then talk to me junior.

Be safe


Tron
 
The World is not a US Colony

The ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR rules. Economic Imperialism makes sure smaller countries fall in line with our ideals.
 
Can you give us some examples Tron? What were the Japanese shooting for pre-ww2? What are your judgements? I'd be interested to hear them.

Biggles
 
I am sick and tired of this we use 25% of the world resources and other countries only use 10% kind of crap. We produce stuff, while countries that use only 10% do nothing. We have the best technologies, the best science, the best pharmceuticals, the most food, etc. Well worth the 25% if I say so. Its not what you spend its what you get for your money. A sound economic principle I think.

I can't forsee any of the events you think happening. The US will not ever be isolationist in terms of economics because we have all sorts of goodies people want to buy. Like cigarettes for example which basically keeps Phillip Morris solvent (not that I'm a fan of Phillip Morris mind you) no matter how many lawsuits get filed here in the US. Phillip Morris sells tons of cigarettes overseas to people who desperately want them and for some reason don't mind getting cancer.

The world is economically fused together and many poorer countries I think would feel the crush first if in the rare event the US did ever try to close up shop. Ultimately its not the fact the villagers in South America don't need vcr's that would matter but when villagers don't get any medical supplies, food, or pesticides to control insects that spread disease, that does matter.

I would agree that this persons statement is extreme and in no way I think has the US "colonized" the world. However the US is a economic powerhouse in the world and will likely remain so and that does give us much influence over the way the world operates.
 
The world may not be a colony but the District of Columbia is. They have no representation in Congress, and the residents are taxed.
 
Yup you have a point. Why is it whenever I see your name Iggy I think of ZZ Top??? 😕
 
My 79,000 dollar collection of History and Economics books says otherwise

I'd imagine in 30 some odd years researching the genesis of WW2 and the subsequent years I've learned quite a bit more and have the ability to make better judgements on this sort of stuff than a wet behind the years 18 year old.

Perhaps you better read what you quoted and try to get your tiny teenage brain to understand the meaning behind the words.

Also, you just proved you have no understanding of what the Japanese were really shooting for pre WW2.

Get some primary sources, read them for about the next year. Try to understand what I meant by the McDonalds quote. Then talk to me junior.

Be safe




hobgoblings of little minds. Does a $79,000 book collection contain
more truth than a $75,000 book collection. Tron do not speak until you have mastered as many languages, been to as
many countries, as I have and seen first hand information in as many events about which your book collection might speak as I, then you
might be able to converse on equal footing.

All you have proven is that you know NOTHING about the world around you. You've wasted alot of money on your books and for that I'm sorry. Its sad to see you've spent 30 yrs of your life believeing you knew what you were talking about.

Lets say for arguments sake that the world is a US colony well, you are constantly ranting about nuking 90% of the world. Nuking our own colonies would be counter productive and thus dear Tron your theory is faulty to the exetreme.


🙁 🙄
 
I am sick and tired of this we use 25% of the world resources and other countries only use 10% kind of crap. We produce stuff, while countries that use only 10% do nothing. We have the best technologies, the best science, the best pharmceuticals, the most food, etc. Well worth the 25% if I say so. Its not what you spend its what you get for your money. A sound economic principle I think.

I can't forsee any of the events you think happening. The US will not ever be isolationist in terms of economics because we have all sorts of goodies people want to buy. Like cigarettes for example which basically keeps Phillip Morris solvent (not that I'm a fan of Phillip Morris mind you) no matter how many lawsuits get filed here in the US. Phillip Morris sells tons of cigarettes overseas to people who desperately want them and for some reason don't mind getting cancer.

The world is economically fused together and many poorer countries I think would feel the crush first if in the rare event the US did ever try to close up shop. Ultimately its not the fact the villagers in South America don't need vcr's that would matter but when villagers don't get any medical supplies, food, or pesticides to control insects that spread disease, that does matter.

I would agree that this persons statement is extreme and in no way I think has the US "colonized" the world. However the US is a economic powerhouse in the world and will likely remain so and that does give us much influence over the way the world operates.



You have some valid points Kurch ......................However.

Instead of getting sick, you should merely refute those assertions you feel are incorrect. We have "the best science" reeks of Madison Avenue hype. Do a litttle research on any of your three favorite science-related items and be prepared to find that the science behind them came from Chinese, German, Indian, French, Russian, Nigerian, Polish, and other emigres working in our think tanks, universities, medical schools, research institutes, etc. Is this what you mean? Science done on our soil is the best, or are you saying 'Americans' are the best scientists?

We advertise in and import heaviIy computer scientists from India and Russia. We have been grabbing trained personnel from abroad since WWI. Our entire space program is owed to German scientists we captured during WW II. Even the Discovery channel admits that. The Soviets took the remaining German scientists back to Moscow. Their space program was done by Germans as well. Our last two Secretaries of State (Allbright & Powell) were born where?

my dad served on the U.S. Educational Foundation's Board for three years. Part of his job (abroad) was to interview foreign doctors/scientists/researchers interested in exploring scientific ideas/theories of merit in the U.S. The topics ranged from study of fats and oils to magnetic generation propulsion. They approved thousands to come to the U.S. to work/study/explore. The taxpayers paid for all. One of the people we chose did the work for one of our household name company's production of non-stick flavored sprays for cooking. You can look it up. Another fellow they approved to come to the U.S. and work at JPL was instrumental in getting our missiles to work with satellite guidance and successful orbiting of the Hubbell space vehicle.

Go take a tour of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in Berkeley and look at the names on the doors. Ask the homeland origins of the scientists/doctors/researchers. Imagine the U.S. scientific/medical community without them. They even outnumber U.S. citizens. Look it up for yourself. I already know.

Nigeria ranks 6th in the world in math education and competence. The U.S. ranks 16th. Nigeria's basic education system is stronger than ours. Five year old kids there cannot handle computers or finger paint, but they know their math tables, can speak more than one language, and know how to read. The rest of the world has this approach to education as well. They emphasize contribution to the group while we push individual liberty and personal growth.

We run a huge trade deficit with the rest of the world. We buy from others far more than we sell abroad. American companies, for unpatriotic tax avoidance reasons, set up shop overseas. They hire local people- at a fraction of the U.S. costs, to produce stuff to ship back here for purchasing. Phillip Morris is not producing in the U.S. all those cigarettes they foister off on the rest of the world. They are made in Africa and Asia. If I depend on things made by my neighbor more than my neighbor depends on things I make, does it not stand to reason that my neighbor will suffer less deprivation than I should we become estranged?

The world's large pharmaceutical companies are in Switzerland and that is where most of the world gets its medicine. They do not buy from the USA. It is far too costly to do so.

Regardless of musings, poorer countries will not crash before us come the crunch. They are experts is subsistence living. The USA is not. The gravest dangers to U.S. soldiers' morale in Viet Nam was the prospect of not getting hot turkey meals at Thanksgiving and Christmas. The Gulf war held the same experience. The Viet Cong continued merrily along defeating us and consuming a hand full of rice per day.

Why do our leaders fear a ground war anywhere? Because they know ground fighting carries casualties. Our society and leaders are willing to fight anywhere as long as no U.S. soldiers get killed.
 
I think we have some of the best scientists because our scientists are made up of all the best people in the world who want to come to a place that is free. So yes I agree with your point that they are a lot of people from all over the world here who are great scientists. The point is they are here, not there. This why we live in such a great place. We get the best people from all over the world, all filled with new and exciting ideals and we reap the rewards in terms of great new technologies. Thanks for helpling me clarify my point. I did not mean that no other scientists in the world are any good but I do think we are at the top because we have such a great diversity of people.

Certainly many of the drugs that are sold were discovered here as well even if many are bought from other "international companies". One point is without the US many drugs would go undiscovered. Also there are very few companies that remain totally isolated in their country. If the Swiss pharmeceutical plant you refer to is Ciby-Geigy it has many research facilites here in the US. I almost worked for them, too bad too they have great benefits. My company markets many immunodiagnostic kits and we have many places overseas, a German research facility, the primary research and production facility is in the US, and many distributors throughout the world.

Not to pick on Nigeria but when did they ever land anyone on the moon or launch a probe to explore the solar system or find a cure for a disease. I think Nigeria's biggest industry right now is credit card fraud. The US is a democracy and education is opportunity that you either take or leave behind. Those that take and learn here go on to provide useful technologies or services. Those that do not go on to other less fruitful endeavors. It is a pity that so many chose to leave education behind.

Trade deficits and national debts are funny things. An economics major once told me that they really only matter when compared to the total wealth of the nation. If you were to estimate the total wealth of the US it would be an astronomical number and the trade deficit and national debt would pale in comparison to that number. As I know very little about economics I did not discuss it with him. Perhaps Wallstreet might better explain if this is really true.

Phillip Morris is an international company, like I said above there are almost no companies that are totally isolated. However they are predominantly a US company. Also it would seem that Asia and Africa depend more on cigarettes than we do now. Asia especially is a very big market and the US market is drying up as more and more people give up smoking. The only reason I know this is because someone at work invested a lot of money in Phillip Morris and we were discussing some of these things.

Last point (finally) I think we are made of sterner stuff than you think and I don't think we are afraid of a ground war. Minimizing casulaties isn't fear it is good military sense. "You don't win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making the other dumb bastard die for his." Patton said that or words to that effect.

Interesting topic Ice. Its a pleasure discussing it with you.
 
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