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This was posted on one of my yahoo groups. I am sharing it here.

njjen3953

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Published on Friday, May 2, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times
Feeling the Boot Heel of the Patriot Act
by Jason Halperin

Several weeks ago, my roommate Asher and I went to an Indian restaurant just off Times Square in the heart of midtown Manhattan. We helped ourselves to the buffet and sat down to begin eating.
Suddenly there was a terrible commotion and five police officers in bulletproof vests stormed down the stairs. They had their guns drawn and were pointing them indiscriminately at the restaurant staff and at us.

"Go to the back of the restaurant," they yelled. I hesitated, lost in my own panic. "Did you not hear me? Go to the back and sit down," they demanded. I complied and looked around at the other patrons. There were eight men including the waiter, all of South Asian descent and ranging from late teens to senior citizen. One of the officers pointed his gun in the waiter's face and shouted: "Is there anyone else in the restaurant?" The waiter, terrified, gestured to the kitchen.

The police placed their fingers on the triggers of their guns and kicked open the kitchen doors. Shouts emanated from the kitchen and a few seconds later five Latino men crawled out on their hands and knees, guns pointed at them.

After patting us all down, the five officers seated us at two tables. As they continued to kick open doors to closets and restrooms with their fingers glued to their triggers, officials in business suits emerged from the stairwell. Two walked over to our table and identified themselves as agents of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Homeland Security Department.

Having some limited knowledge of the rights afforded to U.S. citizens, I asked why we were being held. The INS agent said we would be released once they confirmed that there were no outstanding warrants against us and our immigration status was OK.

In pre-9/11 America, the legality of this would have been questionable. After all, the 4th Amendment states: "The right of the people to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures. "

"You have no right to hold us," said Asher. But they explained that they did: This was a homeland security investigation under the authority of the Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act was passed into law on Oct. 26, 2001, in order to facilitate the post-9/11 crackdown on terrorism. Among the unprecedented rights it grants to the federal government are the right to wiretap or detain without a warrant. As I quickly discovered, the right to an attorney has been fudged as well. When I asked to speak to a lawyer, the INS official told me I did have the right to a lawyer but I would have to be taken to the station for security clearance before being granted one. When I asked how long that would take, he replied with a coy smile: "Maybe a day, maybe a week, maybe a month."

We insisted that we had every right to leave and were going to do so. One of the police officers, with his hand on his gun, taunted: "Go ahead and leave, just go ahead." We remained seated.

Our IDs were taken. I was questioned why my license was from out of state and asked whether I had "something to hide." The police continued to hassle the kitchen workers, demanding licenses and dates of birth. One of the kitchen workers was shaking and kept providing the day's date — March 20, 2003 — over and over.

As I continued to press for legal counsel, a female officer put her finger in my face. "We are at war, we are at war and this is for your safety," she exclaimed. As she walked away from the table, she continued to repeat it to herself. "We are at war, we are at war; how can they not understand this?"

I most certainly understand that we are at war, and that we need some measure of security in times like these. But I also understand that the freedoms in the Constitution were meant specifically for times like these.

After an hour and a half, the INS agent returned our licenses. An officer escorted us out. Before we left, the INS agent apologized.

Among the customers, there were four taxi drivers, two students, one newspaper salesman. Several said they were U.S. citizens. I doubt they received apologies. Nor have the hundreds of immigrants being held without charge. Apparently, this type of treatment is acceptable.

Three days after the incident, I phoned the restaurant. The owner was nervous, embarrassed and did not want to talk about it. But I managed to ascertain that the whole thing had been one giant mistake.

A mistake. Loaded guns pointed in faces, people made to crawl, police officers kicking in doors, taunting, keeping their fingers on the trigger even after the situation was under control. A mistake.

And, according to the ACLU, a perfectly legal one, thanks to the Patriot Act.

Jason Halperin lives in New York City.
 
Lord. What has the world become, I ask you? Seems that society is spiraling downhill even further. Thanks for posting this, Jen, even though I feel even more disgusted with today's world. I hope you're happy, Osama, cause I can tell you I am most certainly NOT.
 
Balancing citizen's rights and increased national security is, and will be, one tough assignment.
What if the info this group of agents operated on had been correct and they ended up shutting down an active terrorist cell?
We might not have even read about it.
Only the screwups get plastered all over the internet.

(do a Google search on Jason Halperin).
 
Oh Well...

Lifes a bitch. This was very common in early America before we started interpreting the constitution.
Shit happens,


Darth Neutron
 
Sadly the practice of murdering individual citizen's rights is becoming very common these days. Even more sadly politicians ofen use the excuse of terrorist acts to introduce this evil legislation. Any politician who so much as questions it, is branded un-patriotic and instantly his career is destroyed. Pathetic in my opinion.
 
Good post, Jen. This is what happens when the government goes too far! Unfortunately, many people will continue to support the Patriot Act and other efforts like it to eradicate our rights in the name of security until they know what it feels like to be taken into custody and treated like animals. 😡
 
Doesn't the situation, the dialog seem a li'l over dramatized B-movie-ish to be real? This happened in NYC and there's been no news coverage?

I'm smellin' urban legend here.....
 
People forget they only see what the media shows them......the way that the media is now is sad
 
Oddjob0226 said:
Doesn't the situation, the dialog seem a li'l over dramatized B-movie-ish to be real? This happened in NYC and there's been no news coverage?

I'm smellin' urban legend here.....

News coverage? Heh heh. Not on your life. I would hack off certain extraneous parts of my anatomy rather than bet on something like this geting news coverage.
 
A government invasion in an effort to stop terrorism - in NYC? In Times Square? With troops in Iraq & Afghanistan? That'd get reported for sure, if only due to all the protestors in the days following. That dialog's right outta Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
 
I heard that one a while back, Jen. I think it proved to be a hoax. There ARE some things that have pushed the envelope. But, nothing that severe that I've heard of.

Ann
 
Well whether this article is true or not, it still makes you think. If you were an immigrant of Middle Eastern or South Asian descent, would YOU support the Patriot Act? 😕
 
amk714 said:
Well whether this article is true or not, it still makes you think. If you were an immigrant of Middle Eastern or South Asian descent, would YOU support the Patriot Act? 😕


I'm not either of those but I still don't much care for it.
 
Originally posted by Oddjob0226
Doesn't the situation, the dialog seem a li'l over dramatized B-movie-ish to be real? This happened in NYC and there's been no news coverage? *** I'm smellin' urban legend here.....

I agree. In New York there are several different newspapers, and they're not all favorable to the same political ideals. There is NO frippin' way this thing would have been kept quiet, had it really happened. One of the papers would have seen publishing this as a way to further their own political agenda. Also, you're right Oddjob, the dialog is rediculous.

Still, I too am concerned about the Homeland Security Act.
 
BigJim said:


News coverage? Heh heh. Not on your life. I would "hack" off certain extraneous parts of my anatomy rather than bet on something like this geting news coverage.

See quotes above, ya big lummox.😀
 
Well, if this event was invented, somebody who's concerned about the effects of the Patriot Acts invented it well.

I don't mean to appear paranoid, but there were several reports in Germany about German (not Middle-Eastern) travelers getting denied entrance to the States despite a lifetime visa, without anybody telling them about the reasons. When German TV reporters interviewed those people (all of whom appeared to be perfectly normal citizens) found out that they all had participated in anti-war protests... They had to cancel their flights and tourist trips despite severe cancellation fees, just because they were on some sort of blacklist issued to the airlines.
 
No he isn't. These guys had FBI files the like of which we've not seen since the days of John Lennon.

The USA is perfectly capable of shitting on people who have done nothing more than express their right to view their own opinion. If that flies against the "party" line, then you're F-U-C-K-E-D.
 
God. What is the world becoming? Next we arrest the little old ladies because they disscussed politics during a quilting competition.:sowrong: :sowrong:
 
HisDivineShadow said:
God. What is the world becoming? Next we arrest the little old ladies because they disscussed politics during a quilting competition.:sowrong: :sowrong:

Probably, yeah. and how would they find out about it?

Ask the poor buggers in Australia who caused a fuss because their cable TV decoders contained covert cameras pointing into their living rooms.
This is just the only one to get publicity and it was a rather crude method. It's pretty obvious to anyone that surveillance of objectors is quite sophisticated. I'd be surprised if the FBI didn't have a file on ME after some of the posts I've done here.
 
About three years ago I was visiting my uncle in D.C. and he drove me through the Pentagon parking lot a couple times. This was before all the 9/11 fallout. Now, when I go to D.C., I swear the police and other gov. officials are watching me in particular.
 
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