Tickle Palace?

[MegaDanX15]

I know I don't post much here anymore, but what the hey...

On a whim I checked out the link for Tickle Palace over in the links section ( www.ticklepalace.com ) just to see if there has been any progress since the site went under in the beginning of the year. Tickle Gals post was still sitting there, and instead of just clicking the "back" button like I'm used to, I decided to give it a good read.

I don't know if this has came up before of I'm just bringing it back up again, but does anyone else feel really offened from reading this? I mean, I know they've had to deal with problems before, but they go right out and attack the TMF in several ways. They blacklist us from their mailing list just on the devotion to this forum, and specifically name users here and defile them.

What gets me is it implies everyone that goes here is homophobic, and is just trying to jerk-off. Especially because it is trying to say we are nothing but name-callers and flamers. Doesn't that sound extremely hyprocritical?

Any way, they haven't updated since March, (apparently their still working on the tapes), just wanted to know what everyone else thought about it.

Dan

P.S. -mods- go ahead and move this to wherever it belongs, I figured this was the best place for it.

 

[talons]

I did end up receiving a tape from them not to long ago. It was a sorority tape and it was probably the most intense tickling I have ever seen and I have seen plenty. Problem is, this type of tickling is not for everyone and I fear that if it were seen by many of the members of this forum it would cause more controversy than good. I think that if the tapes were to air here the argument would change from Kujman ripping people off and being a lier to how his form of tickling and foot torture is politicaly and moraly incorrect. Personally I enjoyed the tape and am happy that I received it even if it was a few years late.

 

[Tiffany]

I read it, and just laughed. It seems to me that this is just a bunch of sour grapes from some who couldn't accept the TMF for what it is, and could not manipulate it to their "standards", so the only recouse they can think of is attack with empty rhetoric. Also, I feel kind of bad for them, actually. These kind of people are never satisfied, and will wander around most of their lives, looking for something that doesn't exsist. On another point, WHO'S jealous? Sounds like someone isn't getting a lot of hits, but whatever. If this post is considered "Flaming", then I apologize, but this is my take on the whole situation.

 

[BigJim]

It got under my skin too. So much so that I posted an entire thread and first copied and pasted the entire text into it, then posted a link when the text was removed because it was copyrighted. I received a very indignant e-mail from Ticklegal sayin how is was only meant to be a message to their friends and no-one else should have heard about it because they didn't want Kuj getting flamed again.

When I finished laughing I actually considered the utter warpedness of that POV. It's like someone printing a slanderous and evil story on the front page of a minor circulation newspaper and then bitching like a tantrum throwing five year old when someone shows it to the person being attacked. She seemed to believe that I was exhibiting a "please sir, please sir, look at what Toni and Kurt said" mentality. As they say in Moscow......... "toughski shitski bitchski!"

Kuj wrote me an e-mail himself telling me I had to choose between him and the TMF. That was rather a slim choice as choosing him would have cut me off from a large fanbase of Brits in the community. In the end I told him it was his stomach ulcer and not mine. I know for a fact that he has several friends who are also active participants in the community, so that bollocks wasn't going to wash.

Toni? Kurt? Just in case you're reading this, don't bother writing me an indignant e-mail again saying how upset you are that all this has been dragged up again. The only reason I'd keep such a mail would be to print when I run out of shithouse paper. You continue to display very public insults to the whole TMF community without bothering to change them, so you can't expect not to be publicly slated for them. As Neutron would say, "if you can't take the radiation, get the fuck out of Nagasaki!"

I was very sorry to hear of KJ's injuries and will say right now that his work is innovative, original and in a warped and deviant sort of way is truly brilliant. (Warped and deviant being complimentary in this case.) This doesn't however prevent you from having less personality than the orcs from the Lord of the Rings movie. You have a lot of friends in the community I know, but your mud-slinging is even more unmatched than your sorority video. While you keep that trash talk displayed on your home page, don't be suprised that people keep bringing the subject up, despite your protestations about only wanting the community to forget about you both, so you can just have fun with the friends you do have left.

 

[Marauder]

We are in favor of the open expression of opinions.

We have rules concerning this sort of expression on this forum, to prevent it from degenerating into a flame-pit of personal insults and destructive criticism.

TicklePalace's message is on it's own server, and thusly perfectly okay. Every person has the right to open their own homepage and accuse the TMF of anything imaginable, within legal boundaries (do a research on "slander" and "libel" if you're unsre of where these boundaries lie).

Also, every TMF user has the right to explain on this forum their views of said opinion.

We would, however, ask that those explanation of views don't start to become re-iterative. If something's been said, it doesn't need to be re-stated to oblivion. Tickle-Palace has been discussed in the past, and though it remains the same as it has been, there's really no need for discussing it further. Feel free to get the load off your chest, but please refrain from any personal attacks.

While TicklePalace was up, it was truly a major breakthrough, technically, for the community. The technology it used was cutting-edge. It was an immersive experience. The message it now displays resulted from personal problems that are apt to surface in any community. No bad guys, no good guys, just misunderstandings and personality issues that get in the way of mutual understanding. Fanning the flames won't do anyone any good.

This post might be unneccessary, since most of the TMF's users are perfectly capable of behaving in an adult and responsible way, but if this thread boils over into another bashing-flood (we had those in the past), it'll have to go. Please use caution and your own jusdgement when replying to it. Thanks in advance, it saves us a lot of work. 🙂

 

[Phineas]

The technology it used was cutting-edge.

I really wish people would stop acting like Tickle Palace was something amazing in terms of "technology". It used DHTML, and pretty bad DHTML at that - all those bells and whistles did was turn each page into a five-minute loading nightmare. I'll assume there was content on the site SOMEWHERE but I sure as hell never found it.

I used to do coding like this for a living. If we had tried to foist off this kind of page layout on a client they'd have us taken out back and shot.

Anybody with enough time on their hands can load a web site down with tons and tons of "interactivity" that doesn't do anything. That doesn't mean it's any good.

 

[Krokus]

Hm

Everyone already knows: Kuj is a hack. Let it go! Who cares?

 

[BigJim]

While TicklePalace was up, it was truly a major breakthrough, technically, for the community. The technology it used was cutting-edge. It was an immersive experience. The message it now displays resulted from personal problems that are apt to surface in any community. No bad guys, no good guys, just misunderstandings and personality issues that get in the way of mutual understanding.

I know you know a truckload more about puters than me M, but if that was cutting edge, I'd hate to see primitive technology.


And yes I suppose most of the bad feeling was caused by misunderstandings...........that and a certain young lady entering the old chat room and calling Jan a ***** every chance she got.

 

[kyle]

Phineas, I agree with you. Tickle Palace was nothing short of the layout from hell. It looked like a third graders power point and was in no way user friendly.

I really wish people would stop acting like Tickle Palace was something amazing in terms of "technology". It used DHTML, and pretty bad DHTML at that - all those bells and whistles did was turn each page into a five-minute loading nightmare. I'll assume there was content on the site SOMEWHERE but I sure as hell never found it.

I used to do coding like this for a living. If we had tried to foist off this kind of page layout on a client they'd have us taken out back and shot.

Anybody with enough time on their hands can load a web site down with tons and tons of "interactivity" that doesn't do anything. That doesn't mean it's any good.

 

[TicklingDuo]

Not to differ with everyone, but...

I kinda liked the Palace before some shmuck took control and ruined things. (No, I'm not talking about Kurt.) Was it a nightmare AFA load time? Yes. Was it often difficult to navigate? Yes. BUT... there was some decent content and I found it entertaining just to see all those little files thrown together to create a whole new world. Is there a better way he could have done it? I'm sure there is. But, I, like most here, don't have the technical knowledge to do any more than what Kurt did. So, I can't spout off about it. I got the impression that it was something that a lot of work and enjoyment went into putting together. So, I enjoyed that aspect as well.

Kurt was running the site as a fun endeavor more than a business venture, I think...at least at the point I was going there. When I saw his comments, I was as upset as everyone else. But, he does have a right to voice hhis opinion on his own site. Do I LIKE what he had to say? Of course not...and I've told him so. I don't think it made him any friends. That's for sure. But, words can't hurt us unless we choose to let them do so. That's giving control to another person. I don't choose to do that. The words are there and will remain for the foreseeable future. They hurt him more than they do us. So, I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

just my $.02
Ann

 

[QBWeaver]

big Jim Said....

that and a certain young lady entering the old chat room and calling Jan a ***** every chance she got.

Although that was a bit bothersome it was no big deal. You just have to consider the source. And besides... we turned it into a game.

If life gives you lemons then make lemonade. And we did.

I'd recommend we just let this thread escape into oblivion.

 

[Marauder]

Tickle palace WAS cutting edge. It used DHTML, which happens to be cutting edge in web-design (script-wise), and a lot of Java. The only problem was that the web ain't ready for that amount of information per page, hence the long loading time and frewuent errors. But look at cutting edge in games- on most computers they are unplayable because they freeze up, crash, and take up way too many ressources.

I have broadband, and the Palace looked fine to me. Too bad it's down.

 

[Phineas]

Tickle palace WAS cutting edge. It used DHTML, which happens to be cutting edge in web-design (script-wise), and a lot of Java.

DHTML isn't cutting edge. Maybe it was three or four years ago, but not now. Especially not badly-written DHTML that does nothing but delay your getting to the "meat" of a site. DHTML's also been one of the biggest hassles in web development since both Netscape *and* IE have their own document object models, neither of which are compatible. Name one good web site that's used DHTML to do anything other than dropdown menus or image rollovers that haven't just obscured the information on the site.

I've taught classes on DHTML; it's a nightmare and very rarely good for anything except crashing your browser.

As for Java? you'll have to point me to the applets because I never saw any. unless you mean JavaSCRIPT, which is not surprising since JavaScript is all DHTML is.

The only problem was that the web ain't ready for that amount of information per page, hence the long loading time and frewuent errors.

if by "information" you mean a buttload of images that don't actually convey anything? web development 101; limit the size of your pages so everyone can see it. If the web as a whole isn't "ready" for your whizbang it's probably not worth implementing yet.

frequent errors is a sign of bad coding, not high technology or bandwidth overload - it's a sign of someone not having a clue how to write good script. I can write a program that crashes every thirty seconds, that doesn't make me good at what I do, it makes me inept.

But look at cutting edge in games- on most computers they are unplayable because they freeze up, crash, and take up way too many ressources.

they generally crash because of incompatible and badly-written video/sound drivers, poor code, memory leaks, and far too often, a complete lack of Q/A, not because they're trying to do something so cool that the computer can't handle it. They're often rushed by the publisher to be out for Christmas, which only compounds the issue. system-level incompatibilities abound as well; what that means is that you don't (or shouldn't) implement a feature that doesn't work reliably on all of your target platforms.

properly-written software does not junk your computer when you run it, whether it's a game, a website, or a spreadsheet. as I currently teach game programming at the college level, I should know.

I have broadband, and the Palace looked fine to me. Too bad it's down. [/B]

I also have broadband. the Palace took far too long to load considering the amount of "content" on it.

if I were to design a concept site like the Palace it would be quick-loading, pretty much error-free, and you wouldn't be wandering about with five minutes between clicks with no clue where the content was, you can guarantee that. and before you ask "why don't you, then?" I won't because I have no reason to, and I'm way too busy doing other things. 🙂

 

[R. Davis]

Forget the Tickle Palace and move on. Ignore the negative and embrace the positive.

 

[njjen3953]

Phineas and Marauder,
You guys are making me feel extremely computer illiterate. LOL What is the D in DHTML?

Also, Phineas. Why is the "report this to a moderator/IP address confirmed above your sig? It is below everyone else's.

Jen

 

[BigJim]

Phineas and Marauder,
You guys are making me feel extremely computer illiterate. LOL What is the D in DHTML?

Jen

Good question, well presented! And when you've done answering that one Phin or Marauder, can you tell us what the HTML is DHTML is please?😀

 

[TickledToDeath]

I think the owners have been underground and or missing in action too for some time now.

TTD

 

[daddy]

The "D" means "Dynamic" and the HTML means "Hyper Text Markup Language" which is the standard for coding/writing almost all web pages. The "D" was added on, as Phineas said, about 4 years ago. The "new attributes and commands" were suppose to give a designer much more control over their web page with such things as absolute postioning of objects and intergrating javascript with the HTML to create cool menus and special effects. The HUGE problem is that so many people go "overboard" using effects on their sites and the bottom line is unless your have "Broadband D/L" it is going to slow things way down and cause problems. Ok, I need not say more...but I agree (being that I am a web designer)100% with what Phineas says...LOL

Sure KJ had some cool ideas, but most people are not going to go out and get a new computer and DSL just to visit the Tickle Palace!

daddy

 

[njjen3953]

Thanks daddy. That clears it up for me somewhat.

 

[Phineas]

Phineas and Marauder,
You guys are making me feel extremely computer illiterate. LOL What is the D in DHTML?

yea, what daddy said. I'll also add that while DHTML itself doesn't noticably slow down a site or use any extra bandwidth (JavaScript's effect on the size of a page is pretty negligible), it IS complex to write since you have to have two sets of code to cover both IE and Netscape's way of doing things. That's why DHTML never caught on, really - too easy to get buggy web pages.

Also, Phineas. Why is the "report this to a moderator/IP address confirmed above your sig? It is below everyone else's.

Jen

I'm special.😀

 

[njjen3953]

I'm special.😀

I already knew that. LOL Can any of the mods explain the REAL reason? 😛

Jen

 

[Phineas]

okay, okay! no need to call in the attack dogs. 😛

I use an HTML table in my .sig to format the image and text, and it probably makes the page layout shift around a bit. If the mods wish, I'll change it.

 

[njjen3953]

If the mods wish, I'll change it.

No one has complained so I doubt they have a problem. I just wanted to learn. I notice things like this.

Jen