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Ticklephile? Me? Nah...

Lynchy

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A while ago I became involved in an Email debate with Tickle Chiq about whether or not tickle fans should be happy being refered to as ticklephiles. She suggested that I not bring this up in the forum for fear of offending people, but I just wondered what everyone else thinks about this matter.

I personally find it offensive. I mean, 'phile' obviously refers to having a sexual interest in something, but it is very remanisant of 'pedophile', and that is something that I for one never wish to be associated with.

Maybe if someone worked out the Latin for tickle, then we could be called [Latin trranslation]philes, /but until that happens, I'm gonna refuse to be in the same boat as others with my interest.

On a very importantnote, I do NOT wish to offend ANYONE with my rantings, and if I did I'm sorry. I am simply interested in other people's opinions, since I can't be the only person who's thought about this, am I???
 
Romans vs. Greeks

Lynchy, I don't mind being called ticklephile. The Greek word 'philia' just means 'love', and it's also used in 'bibliophile' (someone who loves books), or 'philatelistic' (referring to stamp collectors). I love tickling, and I collect material on this topic, so I am a 'ticklephile'. And I am happy about it!
 
No problem

Like Hal said, "philo" just refers to a love of something; this is exactly the reason why I much prefer "ticklephile" to any other term. It's even only half-heartedly that I call my love of tickling a "fetish," and I thank dvnc for his post several weeks ago in which he clarified a difference between "fetish" and "deviancy." But I'm babbling pedantically...
 
No offense taken with your thread Lynchy, it's just how you
feel about it. 🙂

The term "ticklephile" has grown on me. I'm use to it, never
looked at it in a bad way.

I'm an X-file fan too so it rhymes, works for me. 😉

Oh to see Scully get foot tickle tortured on an examination table...

Peace,
DK
 
Glad you brought it up. You make a good point. However, I definitely perfer ticklephile as opposed to being a person with a "tickle fetish".

Fetish is never EVER taken as positive. In our society, fetish means something's wrong with you. Don't get mad, yall!!!!! I HAVE 2 fetishes. But that doesn't mean I like the term. Why? Because no one goes around saying another person has a breast or leg fetish.
 
Fetishes, Philes, and Deviancies

Several years ago I began using the word "fetish" to describe my proclivity towards tickling, though I knew it wasn't exactly the right word. If I understand correctly, the act of ascribing sexual characteristics to an otherwise nonsexual object is considered a fetish. For example, someone has a shoe fetish if they become sexually aroused by shoes, because he/she ascribes sexual qualities to shoes even though shoes in themselves are not "supposed" to be sexual objects.

Obvious problems arise. By what standard is an object considered nonsexual? No one speaks of a vagina fetish, because the sexuality of that organ is beyond question -- by general agreement. The difference between a shoe and a vagina seems clear enough, but it is tricky to put it into words. Just how is it that "general agreement" decrees a shoe to be nonsexual? One way of looking at it is to say that the primary function of a shoe is to cover the foot and provide protection for it. But there is a preponderance of instances in which a shoe may be intended for much more than that (just ask Manolo Blahnik) -- clearly, some shoes are designed to make the foot more sexually attractive. Therefore, if I am sexually aroused by a shoe that is intended to arouse, how can I be said to have a fetish?

The difference lies in the object of arousal. A shoe may be designed to make the foot more sexually attractive; it is arguably thus not a fetish if a man is aroused by such a foot (though some will still say it is, because of the presumably nonsexual essence of a foot). However, if the object of arousal becomes the shoe itself and not the foot, I believe we have, by definition, a fetish.

But really, this is all only so much quibbling over trivial details. The definitions of words are arbitrary. Definitions should be clear and generally accepted, so that the function of words (to facilitate communication) can be achieved. I don't really care what "fetish" means, so long as it means the same thing each time it is used by different people in different parts of the world.

In saying so, though, I contradict myself. I said earlier that I began using the word fetish to describe my love of tickling even though I knew it wasn't the right word. It isn't the right word, because tickling is an action and not an object. Some people tend to use the word "fetish" to refer to any sexaully arousing act or object that dominates all others. So if I am a man who is sexually aroused by breasts and vaginas and mouths and asses, people will not say I have a fetish for these things because 1) they're generally accepted to be sexual in nature, and 2) my desire is distributed among them rather than concentrated on just one. Now, while I do like all those parts, and many others, the fact that my PRIMARY sex drive is towards the act of tickling makes me feel as though the word fetish is appropriate, even though I might argue that by definition it isn't.

So why do I want to use the word? The answer lies in taking control, in seizing power over the shame and guilt that the majority of us feel or have felt. I have this dirty little secret: I love to tickle. I am mortified by the idea that anyone will ever find out -- even the women I tickle. I live with fear of humiliation. So what do I do? One day I finally decide that I (stress the "I") will be the one to call myself what I am. I (again stress the "I") will name myself. Do I have a fetish? Damn right I do! And I will take the power away from that word by using it myself; I will change society's perception of that word, and destigmatize it, much the same as homosexuals who marched in the 70's and 80's chanting "we're here and we're queer!" and the black rapper Ice-T when he begins the song "Straight Up Nigga" by saying "Damn right I'm a nigga, and I don't care what you are, 'cause I'm a capital N-I double-G E-R." So my use of the word fetish is not driven by a desire for linguistic accuracy, but rather by the much more powerful desire for self-determination.

Nowadays I use the word fetish more for convenience than anything else; which means I am once again using it as a means of facilitating communication. I told my girlfriend that I have a tickling fetish because I knew that would most effectively convey the idea that tickling is what sexually arouses me. Thanks to dvnc, I now believe that "deviancy" is the most correct term; try telling your new girlfriend you have a "tickling deviancy," though. Sounds much worse than fetish.

Point is, choose your words for the occasion. In here, we're all tickling deviants. Out there, "deviant" still has such a negative sound to it that I don't use it. "Fetish" has begun to be destigmatized in certain segments of society, especially with bondage going almost mainstream, and effectively communicates the idea behind our love of tickling, even if it is technically not correct.

glen
 
I have called myself tickle obsessed, a tickle nut, a tickling enthusiast and a tickle monster. I have even called wiggling fingers tickle buggies (I know, I need help lol). 🙂 but I don't really refer to myself as a ticklephile. like Lynchy, the word just kind of struck me funny the first time I heard it. I certainly would not be offended if I were called one tho and do think it works well as a name of sorts for our interest.

there are such intelligent, insightful and caring people here. if these people are examples of what it is to be a 'ticklephile' (there, I said it lol) then count me in!

little side note: Lynchy, you said that you were hesitant in posting your question. I am glad you did and hope that others with honest to goodness, non-judgmental questions will follow your lead. I really enjoy sharing my opinion on the many, many aspects of this interest and reading others. we all have had little thoughts and wondered how many others have thought the same. to me, it seems that this would be the place to ask.

Ayla
 
I agree with the responses above -- phile means 'love of' -- nothing more. Think of it this way -- you take your kids to see a
"pediatrician," yet there isn't (shouldn't) be any negative connotation to this term, despite the fact that it uses the same "ped" combintion form as pedophile. In short: don't let those damn pedophiles take our word away!! I also agree that "fetish" implies something unhealthy, which needs to be cured. I only use the term when talking to fellow tickle "enthusiasts" (how's that for a vanilla term), and would never use it to describe my interest to one who doesn't share my interest.

An odd thought to consider: in latin, ped means *both* children AND foot. Couldn't pedophilia -- technically speaking -- also refer to a foot fetish?! Why not?! I say EMBRACE the term pedophile -- call all of your friends today and proudly proclaim "I am a pedophile!" Don't bother explaining it -- if they misconstrue it, that's there problem.
 
Again Latin vs Greek 🙂

Sorry to be the wise-ass once more: the 'ped' in pedophile is Greek (paidos=boy) and originally refers to the ancient Greek who often loved young boys as well as women. But even scientists mix Latin and Greek in their technical terms (orthopedic for example).

But this also leaves a lot of room for fun: Does a woman cure a boy when she goes for a pedicure? If we replace the 'tickle' in ticklephile by the Latin word, are we then 'vellicatophiles' (abbrev: VP)? 😀
 
Hal, thank God for you. I love the lessons in etymology!

glen
 

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Again, i agree with the majority. Phille, simply refers to a liking of, or a love of something. Suck as a hyrdophillic substance is a substance that likes water and will dissolve in a medium for polar solutes.
What concerns me is this.
A paedophille is someone who like children, yet i have heard feet referred to as peds? So would a foot fetishist be a pedophille??
 
So far everyone has made a very valid point! I'm glad this thread was brought up although for those of us that have been around for a while, this is not the first time someone has asked this question.

It's always nice to see valid concerns resurface every once in a while to give newer members a chance to opine.

Good topic!

BTW, does anybody care for the title "ticklefan"?😛
 
I've always liked both the terms ticklefan and ticklephile myself. I always thought they described me as a person who enjoys tickling in all forms, on all levels, as opposed to just as a sexual fetish or a casual interest.
 
this is where I remind the folks in the studio audience that, technically, our interest is not a fetish. Neither the dictionary definition or the DSM IV (a definition tome for psychologists) delineates us as such.

A fetish is "something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification." While many here may have sexual association for tickling, the interest in the act isn't a fetish. Note, also, the specification of "non-sexual part of the body". This is where the "fetish" association is largely made. Many of "us" focus on feet, or other parts of the body. THAT is a fetish. The act of tickling, when it has a sexual result, is a sexual deviancy. It deviates from "normal" behavior.

We, folks, are deviants, with the exception of those few folks that are just fascinated with the control aspect of tickling, in a non-sexual way. Some of us are ALSO fetishists.

Used to think I had a foot fetish, until I played in gatherings for a year, and found only liked TICKLISH feet, and only for tickling. That's not a fetish. No sexual gratification there. I'm failed, as a fetishist. Alas.

I'm a deviant. So are most of you. Welcome to our deviancy. Happy weeked, all.

dvnc
who was once considerin' bein' a shrink...
 
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