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TickleWorld Sample Clips

tomservo

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Hello All,

In Response to the many questions we've been getting regarding the type of material at TickleWorld, here is a link to some sample clips- just click on the link, then go to the bottom of the page and click on "samples"

To TickleWorld Samples

Happy Tickling to All!

"Many people who have survived near-fatal train collisions say.....
AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!" Tom Servo, MST3000
 
I am just curious as to how you can legally charge for clips that are copy written to someone else, such as the Popeye, Bugs Bunny, and other stuff. Since they are in your preview I am assuming that they are in your membership area. Aren't you worried about the copyright owners coming after you and suing you in court? I would suggest that you look up copyright laws online before you start charging for clips that you have no right to. I am not attacking you or trying to be a jerk, I am just trying to save you the fees that you will have to spend defending yourself in court. And trust me, what you are doing you would not win in court as I am sure you do not have Warner Brothers or any of the other copyright owners authorization to charge for their copyrighted intellectual work.
 
Hummm, buggs brings up a good point. On the other hand there are so many loopholes involving the internet that it's not worth keeping count.


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here's the catch

The clips are free. You charge for the service of providing them. Thank you - Justin
 
"The clips are free. You charge for the service of providing them. Thank you-Justin"

Ummm...see Justin...that still violates copyright laws. You really should look up what the copyright law states before making a statement like that. According to the source at www.copyright.org:

"What is copyright infringement?
As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner."

See, anytime money is exchanged in regards to someone else’s copyrighted material, it is still a violation of copyright. That is what that "publicly displayed" means. See, he is also "distributing it" for monetary gain without the permission of the copyright owners. That is a violation of the law. Actually, technically, even if you don’t charge, it is against copyright laws if you don’t have the permission of the person who owns the intellectual property. Again from the www.copyright.org website:

"Could I be sued for using somebody else's work? How about quotes or samples?
If you use a copyrighted work without authorization, the owner may be entitled to bring an infringement action against you. There are circumstances under the fair use doctrine where a quote or a sample may be used without permission. However, in cases of doubt, the Copyright Office recommends that permission be obtained."

As I said before, I wasn't trying to be a jerk in my original post or start a flame war. I was just trying to inform the person who owns the site that what he or she is doing could land him or her in alot of legal hot water. And remember, the particular clips that he has posted are owned by major media studios that have many lawyers on the payroll who do nothing but sue people in court for just this type of thing. Also, they have very deep pockets and can to pursue the matter for a very long time.
 
sorry LoL

To be honest I was being sarcastic..... didn't think I'd be understood. I was also mimicking Napster's response to it's mp3 situation. You are, of course 100% correct in your legal statement. - Justin
 
RE: Copyright Issues

For what it's worth, we considered this issue when starting the club, just as I'm sure sites like Uncle Steve's awesome "extremetickling" had to consider it when starting up, as that site has a lot of clips from copyrighted material as well, as do several other sites in this vein.

The way we look at it is this- Our Archives are free for our members to share, the club dues simply pays for the bandwidth and other expenses of keeping things going.

More to the point, we plainly state on our home page that since some of our clips are sent to us by members, some are going to feature copyrighted material, and that our standing policy is immediate removal of any clips that the copyright holder does not want shared in the club. They don't have to start a lawsuit to make it happen, all they have to do is ask. We then verify their identity and remove their material.

That being said, we're not out to step on any toes, just to run an interesting and fun club for tickling fanatics like ourselves. BTW, there's an awful lot of excellent ORIGINAL material on the site as well, so stop by and check it out!

Mike & Sue

Enter TickleWorld
 
Okay. All I am saying is usually movie companies don't first ask to remove their copyrighted clips from a paysite. They have their lawyers notify you that you are being sued and to contact your own counsel. But if you want to take the chance, who am I to say anything?
 
RE: Copyright, Etc.

Hi Buggs,

Just want you to know that we are not discounting what you say, and we appreciate your honest input. It's just that many sites (tickling & others) share a fair amount of copyrighted material in their archives (again extremetickling comes to mind as one good example, a site I happen to really like).

I guess if a big company wants to force (by whatever means) a little "mom & pop" type tickling club like ours, or any of the other sites, to remove a few snippets of video because they don't want our club members to have access to it, there isn't much we can do.

But again, Sue and I simply love tickling, and we want to share all of our favorite material (and favorites sent to us by members) with our club members, as well as our original clips and stories, which we feel are very unique. We are never going to get rich running this club, but we knew that when we started. And we're not out to capitalize on the movie industry or upset anyone. We just want the club to be an enjoyable way for tickling lovers like us to share with each other.

Again, thanks for your input- you sound like a decent person, and we appreciate that you weren't attacking our site. Hey, pop in and check us out if you have time......

Take Care,

Mike



Enter TickleWorld
 
And the court of law doesn't look at it as "Well, the clips are free, and members are just paying for the hosting." What the law will look at it as it this "they were accepting money for the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material." And if you were to say "Well the clips were free and members where paying for the hosting" the court would say the same thing to you they told Napster, which is pretty much tell you that "that" is not how the law looks at it, and find that you had made money off of the copyrighted material and not server usage. Like the guy said above, Napster tried that defense and was laughed out of court and heavily fined. Like I said, I am not trying to be a jerk or start a flame war, I am just trying to make you realize that, no matter how you want to look at it in your own mind, the law only looks at it one way and you will lose and be made to pay restitution. But if you want to gamble with your financial future like this it is your decision.
 
PS-That post above was my last post on this matter as you seemed to have your mind made up. Again, I don't know you two, I just don't want to see you both get in trouble for this. I wish you both the best and I hope nothing happens. Best of luck.
 
RE: Copyright, Etc.

Again, thanks for your input- I guess if big brother wants to pick on us little guys that badly, if having a club that collects some mainstream clips is so horrendous, so be it. But they have a lot of work to do, just the list of sites I am aware of that make use of portions of mainstream material is a long one indeed, and I'm sure there are a lot more that I don't know about.

Anyway, thank you for wishing us luck, and all the best to you as well.
 
Please no! Shud urp! No more leagal Talk its hurting me!!!! When will mommie and daddie stop fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:sowrong:
 
RE: Copyright, Etc.

UNBELIEVABLE- Just this morning, after all the talk yesterday about copyright issues, we have been contacted by not one but 2 major companies who have portions of their cartoons appearing in a couple of our clips. They want password access to do a review of the site, which we are going to give them.

Now we're not saying that the individual doing all the warning about copyrights yesterday contacted these companies, because in all fairness it could have been anyone, but you know, whoever it was, there always has to be at least one or two individuals who have nothing to do but sit around and make trouble for someone else, whether out of jealousy or just plain meanness. So to whoever did this, we hope this makes you happy. Sue & I would like to say however that overwhelmingly the people from this forum who have contacted us have been extremely nice and always very supportive of what we are doing, and have given us rave reviews for the originality and content of our site.

And as far as the few clips in question, no worries- In one case the woman (who was also very nice)has already told me that worst case scenario we would be required to remove those particular clips from the archives, they don't jump right into suing people as the first means of tryng to resolve the issue, and in case those few clips do need to go,we already have new material to post in their place.

Happy Tickling to All

Mike & Sue
 
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hey tomservo.....

are u a big MST3K fan? because i sure am. i was just curious, it's good to know there are people around with 2 of my favorite interests in common.
 
MST3K

Hi M.C.

Oh yeah, I'm a die hard mistie, glad to meet a fellow devotee. Mike, Joel & the 'bots feel like family to my wife and I, we have every episode ever shown on tape. How long have you been a fan?

BTW, loved the tickle poem, is it by any chance based on real events.......?

Hope you get a chance to check out our site sometime.

Take Care,

Mike

"So, Rowsdower....is that a stupid name, or.....?"
 
hey tomservo.....

yeah i've been a huge fan since about over a year now..

i have about every episode on my computer.........

it's nice 2 meet a fellow fan
 
Nice preview clips, tommy! The recent amateur ones were good, if a wee bit dark.
 
Preview Clips

Thanks G.C.,

We love those amatuers too! We should be getting quite a few more along those lines featuring a really cute redhead soon. Will keep you posted...


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