Meant to ask you about this earlier, but it's been exciting times here at the TMF, with glitches and upgrades! In the thread where we were discussing evil and religion, you threw in the word "grok". Could this possibly mean you're conversant with one of my alltime fav authors, Mr Heinlein? I've dogeared his books for over 40 years now...lol. Q
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sorry, brother. Had a gathering to help host.
It is precisely that term, which arguably came from just that author, that I used and use regularly. Oddly, I got it first from, of all people, a musician geek of the first order - Todd Rungren, who used it often when first appearing in the geek world and online. Mind you, I use it more in the bastardized sense of understanding thoroughly without knowing WHY I understand. There is, of course, the definition:
grok (grk)
tr.v. Slang grok·ked, grok·king, groks
To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy.
[Coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his Stranger in a Strange Land.]
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Ever the old guy,
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It is precisely that term, which arguably came from just that author, that I used and use regularly. Oddly, I got it first from, of all people, a musician geek of the first order - Todd Rungren, who used it often when first appearing in the geek world and online. Mind you, I use it more in the bastardized sense of understanding thoroughly without knowing WHY I understand. There is, of course, the definition:
grok (grk)
tr.v. Slang grok·ked, grok·king, groks
To understand profoundly through intuition or empathy.
[Coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his Stranger in a Strange Land.]
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Ever the old guy,
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Heinlein was decades ahead of his peers regarding the style of writing that would become popular later in the century. His sexual references and openess were controversial for his era! Grok was indeed the ultimate thought provoking concept of that novel, but only one of many he littered his books with in his career. Also a big ee Doc Smith fan, although his material doesn't hold up as well.... Q
Heinlein was decades ahead of his peers regarding the style of writing that would become popular later in the century. His sexual references and openess were controversial for his era! Grok was indeed the ultimate thought provoking concept of that novel, but only one of many he littered his books with in his career. Also a big ee Doc Smith fan, although his material doesn't hold up as well.... Q
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I fell in love with her when I read "Galactic Patrol" at age 12. I've had a thing for redheads ever since. Doc Smith did too - look at the female characters in his books, who I've been told were based on his wife Jeannie.
BTW, so did RAH - many redhead characters in his work. Probably because of his wife Virginia, who was a VERY classy lady. I met them at a SF Convention in 1978 - she had gone gray by then, but still had that lovely redhead complection.
RAH may have been one of us. There were tickling scenes in "Puppet Masters" and "Time Enough For Love," to name just the two that come immediately to mind.
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I fell in love with her when I read "Galactic Patrol" at age 12. I've had a thing for redheads ever since. Doc Smith did too - look at the female characters in his books, who I've been told were based on his wife Jeannie.
BTW, so did RAH - many redhead characters in his work. Probably because of his wife Virginia, who was a VERY classy lady. I met them at a SF Convention in 1978 - she had gone gray by then, but still had that lovely redhead complection.
RAH may have been one of us. There were tickling scenes in "Puppet Masters" and "Time Enough For Love," to name just the two that come immediately to mind.
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Yup...
I noticed that also...his writing was VERY erotic! Lucky dog, wish i had met the man! However, i did go to college with Asimovs nephew, and got some fascinating insight into him, as well as getting to meet him about 5 times. Yup...the women of the space opera age were also ahead of their time, very capable and intelligent and recognized as such! We'll have to have a chat on the Golden Age sometime...meanwhile, can we agree that Zelazny is the best of the new bunch? Loved his "Princes In Amber"...beyond excellent and a great sequel to the Lords Of Light series!
I noticed that also...his writing was VERY erotic! Lucky dog, wish i had met the man! However, i did go to college with Asimovs nephew, and got some fascinating insight into him, as well as getting to meet him about 5 times. Yup...the women of the space opera age were also ahead of their time, very capable and intelligent and recognized as such! We'll have to have a chat on the Golden Age sometime...meanwhile, can we agree that Zelazny is the best of the new bunch? Loved his "Princes In Amber"...beyond excellent and a great sequel to the Lords Of Light series!
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Define "new bunch." Of the generation that includes Zelazny, I like Niven best (and he's a good guy too.) Newer than that? Weber, Drake or Moon for good space opera, Turtledove for something more serious.
Just got word yesterday, Poul Anderson died on August 1. He drank me under the table at a con in Ann Arbor, Michigan in 1977, tossing down shots of Akvavit. It was sorta like the scene in the Tibetan bar in "Raiders of the Lost Ark." Would have been fun to try for a rematch, or just to hoist a glass with him, but other than in correspondence our paths never crossed again.
Boy, we're WAY OT on this one!
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Just got word yesterday, Poul Anderson died on August 1. He drank me under the table at a con in Ann Arbor, Michigan in 1977, tossing down shots of Akvavit. It was sorta like the scene in the Tibetan bar in "Raiders of the Lost Ark." Would have been fun to try for a rematch, or just to hoist a glass with him, but other than in correspondence our paths never crossed again.
Boy, we're WAY OT on this one!
Strelnikov
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Sorry to hear about Poul Anderson. As for being OT, even for you I'm not gonna bring up tickling sci-fi authors...lol! Guess you like the harder science in your coffee...Niven and such tend to make like a textbook too often for my taste. Clarke is a happy medium, and I like a dose of Hubbards S/M once in a while(there..almost back on topic!). Envious of your having met a few of the giants that I didn't. Asimov wasn't what I pictured either...actually quite a lowbrow sense of humor, bordering on the scatological.
Sorry to hear about Poul Anderson. As for being OT, even for you I'm not gonna bring up tickling sci-fi authors...lol! Guess you like the harder science in your coffee...Niven and such tend to make like a textbook too often for my taste. Clarke is a happy medium, and I like a dose of Hubbards S/M once in a while(there..almost back on topic!). Envious of your having met a few of the giants that I didn't. Asimov wasn't what I pictured either...actually quite a lowbrow sense of humor, bordering on the scatological.
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