I'm asking nicely. I would just like to know why you don't want any links going out to the AMT tickling group. I'm being nice about asking so please give me an answer and not delete this fair question. Why don't you want anyone to discover the AMT tickling forum on the newsgroups? Thanks.
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I don't see any reason why the moderators would delete your message. It's a perfectly valid question. However, I think you're misreading the intentions of the moderators.
I'm not a moderator, and this is only my personal opinion, but I think it's shared by many in the community. The sad fact is that AMT has long been a tickling wasteland, 99% spam and flames. Pretty much dead as a tickling resource. I don't know, to me it just seems pointless to go there, which may be why it's not in the links.
AMT has been moved aside by the much superior organized forums, which also happen to be moderated. Some may disagree, but I think that wise, intelligent moderation (as opposed to censorship) is a huge advantage, preventing forums from becoming, well, like AMT.
I'm a video producer (amateur and part-time, but still), and of course I like when I can advertise my videos. But I don't even bother with AMT at all. I'm afraid it's just not worth my time. It's also not on my links page, as I can't really recommend it to anyone when there are so many more interesting sites and forums.
I'm not saying that AMT was never useful. In fact, in the early days it was great, since it was one of the very few places where ticklephiles could find tickling material and exchange ideas and experiences. AMT has significantly contributed to the welfare of the tickling community some years ago. But as years went by and the Internet evolved, AMT kind of degenerated (as many, if not most adult-oriented newsgroups have, being thoroughly plagued by spam), and it's now outdated. AMT has done its job, and I'm happy about it, but it's time to move on.
I'm not a moderator, and this is only my personal opinion, but I think it's shared by many in the community. The sad fact is that AMT has long been a tickling wasteland, 99% spam and flames. Pretty much dead as a tickling resource. I don't know, to me it just seems pointless to go there, which may be why it's not in the links.
AMT has been moved aside by the much superior organized forums, which also happen to be moderated. Some may disagree, but I think that wise, intelligent moderation (as opposed to censorship) is a huge advantage, preventing forums from becoming, well, like AMT.
I'm a video producer (amateur and part-time, but still), and of course I like when I can advertise my videos. But I don't even bother with AMT at all. I'm afraid it's just not worth my time. It's also not on my links page, as I can't really recommend it to anyone when there are so many more interesting sites and forums.
I'm not saying that AMT was never useful. In fact, in the early days it was great, since it was one of the very few places where ticklephiles could find tickling material and exchange ideas and experiences. AMT has significantly contributed to the welfare of the tickling community some years ago. But as years went by and the Internet evolved, AMT kind of degenerated (as many, if not most adult-oriented newsgroups have, being thoroughly plagued by spam), and it's now outdated. AMT has done its job, and I'm happy about it, but it's time to move on.
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^^ My version would be shorter, but that's pretty much the reason.
Reply to Francois
I respectfully beg to differ, Francois. Your description of AMT might apply to ASFT or ABMET, however AMT is still virtually Spam free thanks to the tireless efforts of one Bob Hare. Sure, occasionaly a spam message gets through the cracks, but for each one that does, Bob diligently goes after the originating ISP and has the spammer "nuked."
As for flames, sure there are a few here and there. It's part of what gives AMT its character. Something I find sadly lacking in moderated forums is that their very nature precludes a decent battle of wits which many of us find entertaining provided the participants are well armed. Ah, but such engagements are few and far between, even on AMT. Still, the few flames that do occur hardly warrant the description "99% spam and flames." I assure you the majority of active participants are quite capable of reasonable discussion. Others are easily ignored if they become tiresome.
Probably the most nonfactual statement you make Francois is when you said "AMT has been moved aside by the much superior organized forums..." This is a such a gross misrepresentation of facts, I actually laughed out loud when I read it. It's true some folks who can't abide a relaxed and free atmosphere have forsaken AMT for forums which are more tightly controlled, but that is a small number. Most of the TMF and TickleTheater participants lurk at AMT as well.
And exactly how are these moderated forums in any way superior to AMT? Certainly not for file sharing capacity. AMT carries more clips and pics than all the moderated forums put together. Usenet involves servers all over the world, so that even if one crashes, there are hundreds of others. Can the TMF or TickleTheater make this claim?
Basically the only reason I see as to why moderated forums get chosen over AMT is simply because they are more easily found and accessed by newcomers to the internet tickling community. Most of them don't know about AMT until somebody mentions it and are quickly dissuaded by people like you who for reasons best known to yourself want to keep as much of the community as possible coralled in these little web-based censored forums.
Instead of saying that you won't put a link to AMT on your site for the reasons you give, why not instead tell people the truth? That AMT or any Usenet newsgroup for that matter cannot properly be accessed with a web-browser, and that a newsreader program is required? Sure, you can put a link to Google groups, but they don't carry the binary attachments such as pics and clips.
As I said, most newcomers to the community don't find AMT except through Google which doen't carry the good stuff. But the good news is that just about every computer comes with a free newsreader called Outlook Express. Almost every ISP offers free usenet service. All one has to do is contact their ISP and get the address of the news server, program Outlook Express, and they could be downloading gigabytes of free tickling material.
Folks, if you've never visited AMT with a newsreader, you don't know what you're missing. Maybe you'll visit there and decide it's not for you. That's cool. All I'm saying is make the decision for yourself rather than letting video producers like Francois bamboozle you into thinking AMT isn't worth your time.
I respectfully beg to differ, Francois. Your description of AMT might apply to ASFT or ABMET, however AMT is still virtually Spam free thanks to the tireless efforts of one Bob Hare. Sure, occasionaly a spam message gets through the cracks, but for each one that does, Bob diligently goes after the originating ISP and has the spammer "nuked."
As for flames, sure there are a few here and there. It's part of what gives AMT its character. Something I find sadly lacking in moderated forums is that their very nature precludes a decent battle of wits which many of us find entertaining provided the participants are well armed. Ah, but such engagements are few and far between, even on AMT. Still, the few flames that do occur hardly warrant the description "99% spam and flames." I assure you the majority of active participants are quite capable of reasonable discussion. Others are easily ignored if they become tiresome.
Probably the most nonfactual statement you make Francois is when you said "AMT has been moved aside by the much superior organized forums..." This is a such a gross misrepresentation of facts, I actually laughed out loud when I read it. It's true some folks who can't abide a relaxed and free atmosphere have forsaken AMT for forums which are more tightly controlled, but that is a small number. Most of the TMF and TickleTheater participants lurk at AMT as well.
And exactly how are these moderated forums in any way superior to AMT? Certainly not for file sharing capacity. AMT carries more clips and pics than all the moderated forums put together. Usenet involves servers all over the world, so that even if one crashes, there are hundreds of others. Can the TMF or TickleTheater make this claim?
Basically the only reason I see as to why moderated forums get chosen over AMT is simply because they are more easily found and accessed by newcomers to the internet tickling community. Most of them don't know about AMT until somebody mentions it and are quickly dissuaded by people like you who for reasons best known to yourself want to keep as much of the community as possible coralled in these little web-based censored forums.
Instead of saying that you won't put a link to AMT on your site for the reasons you give, why not instead tell people the truth? That AMT or any Usenet newsgroup for that matter cannot properly be accessed with a web-browser, and that a newsreader program is required? Sure, you can put a link to Google groups, but they don't carry the binary attachments such as pics and clips.
As I said, most newcomers to the community don't find AMT except through Google which doen't carry the good stuff. But the good news is that just about every computer comes with a free newsreader called Outlook Express. Almost every ISP offers free usenet service. All one has to do is contact their ISP and get the address of the news server, program Outlook Express, and they could be downloading gigabytes of free tickling material.
Folks, if you've never visited AMT with a newsreader, you don't know what you're missing. Maybe you'll visit there and decide it's not for you. That's cool. All I'm saying is make the decision for yourself rather than letting video producers like Francois bamboozle you into thinking AMT isn't worth your time.
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Nah Francois is right. The only thing there lately is that poor sad fool Jeremy spamming the group with message after message about Jeff and how he was wronged by the TMF.
Talk about a serious problem. Anyways it isnt even worth looking at these days. Just people pissin and moaning with no content being posted and no civilized discussion of any kind.
Here is the place to be.
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Talk about a serious problem. Anyways it isnt even worth looking at these days. Just people pissin and moaning with no content being posted and no civilized discussion of any kind.
Here is the place to be.
😀
I'm sorry Francois you have misunderstood my question. I was not asking owners of their own forums to put AMT in there LINKS section. No. That is their business. I was asking why they won't even let a Hyperlink in a post or thread stay up if it points towards the AMT. Do you undersand? You see this forum has already more than once deleted links inside people's posts that link to the AMT newsgroup. I was wondering why forum owners are afraid to let people go there and choose for themselves. I think they should be able to choose for themselves don't you? Do you understand what I mean now Francois? Thanks.Francois A said:
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Re: Reply to Francois
Based on the content of your message, I believe that you've misused the word "respectfully". You may disagree with my opinion, and that's your right. But I don't think that accusing someone of "bamboozling" people, among other things, is a mark of respect for someone else's opinion. I personally don't think that AMT is worth it at the present when there are all these excellent forums around. I'm not "bamboozling" anyone by suggesting that a resource might not be all that useful if I truly believe it. It's not like I get paid each time I prevent someone from going to AMT, you know.
I'll admit I haven't checked AMT in a long time, but I've followed it for a few years and was saddened to see it go down and down, as happens to all "sexually oritented" newsgroups. It's not really the fault of the people interested in the topic of a given newsgroup. It's all that spam. Note that when I said "99% spam and flames", I didn't say "49.5% spam and 49.5% flames". I'm well aware that it's much more a matter of spam than flames. Besides, I'm pretty sure you understand that I used the figure "99%" to indicate that most of the content isn't especially useful or interesting, not that literally just 1% is relevant.
Maybe AMT isn't quite as bad as ASFT or ABMET (though I wouldn't really know at the moment), but bad enough that going there doesn't serve any useful purpose in my case, and probably not for most people either.
I stand by my claim that the forums are way superior to any newsgroup. The fact that some people may find it harder to access the newsgroups if they don't have the necessary software is irrelevant as far as my opinion is concerned. I was talking about content, not accessibility.
Then again, maybe I am wrong and AMT is a lot cleaner than I think nowadays. I don't really care to go check, but if it turns out that I'm wrong, please accept my apologies. I offer the same to Bob Hare.
However, I still take offense to some parts of your message.
Now, if I'm to cause such reactions when I post, I might as well not bother posting anymore. I prefer to avoid discussing things that make people become rude. And I'm sure you'd be very happy to see me refrain from participating. So everyone wins.
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Based on the content of your message, I believe that you've misused the word "respectfully". You may disagree with my opinion, and that's your right. But I don't think that accusing someone of "bamboozling" people, among other things, is a mark of respect for someone else's opinion. I personally don't think that AMT is worth it at the present when there are all these excellent forums around. I'm not "bamboozling" anyone by suggesting that a resource might not be all that useful if I truly believe it. It's not like I get paid each time I prevent someone from going to AMT, you know.
I'll admit I haven't checked AMT in a long time, but I've followed it for a few years and was saddened to see it go down and down, as happens to all "sexually oritented" newsgroups. It's not really the fault of the people interested in the topic of a given newsgroup. It's all that spam. Note that when I said "99% spam and flames", I didn't say "49.5% spam and 49.5% flames". I'm well aware that it's much more a matter of spam than flames. Besides, I'm pretty sure you understand that I used the figure "99%" to indicate that most of the content isn't especially useful or interesting, not that literally just 1% is relevant.
Maybe AMT isn't quite as bad as ASFT or ABMET (though I wouldn't really know at the moment), but bad enough that going there doesn't serve any useful purpose in my case, and probably not for most people either.
I stand by my claim that the forums are way superior to any newsgroup. The fact that some people may find it harder to access the newsgroups if they don't have the necessary software is irrelevant as far as my opinion is concerned. I was talking about content, not accessibility.
Then again, maybe I am wrong and AMT is a lot cleaner than I think nowadays. I don't really care to go check, but if it turns out that I'm wrong, please accept my apologies. I offer the same to Bob Hare.
However, I still take offense to some parts of your message.
Now, if I'm to cause such reactions when I post, I might as well not bother posting anymore. I prefer to avoid discussing things that make people become rude. And I'm sure you'd be very happy to see me refrain from participating. So everyone wins.
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Yes, I do, and you're right, I did somewhat misunderstand (or misread) your original message. Sorry about that. I certainly wasn't aware that such posts had been deleted. To be honest, I have some trouble believing it. I mean, what would be the point? But then again, what do I know?
If this is truly the case, I believe people should be allowed to check out the newsgroups if they really want to. My mind is already made about tickling newsgroups (and you know how I feel about them). Others are free to do the same. But again, I really don't have a say in this, because I'm not aware of such deletions, and really don't care to look into them.
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lol...
Well I just went to the AMT, and what did I see? Already someone talking bad about me for closing threads. We discussed this people, this site is personal property so think of it as my house. I try to be nice and considerate to all guests here by investing my time and resources to keep this site up and running even at a loss every month.
I have a donation link up, but to be honest no one uses it, and I will not push it onto people. I maintain this site because it is a hobby for me, and my motivation is the millions of people around the world that come to this site to appreciate it and its resources. Now I realize that it's impossible to satisfy 100% of our community, but all you can do is just try your best.
If you want the truth, I myself have never deleted a link to the AMT, in fact I provided a link when someone reposted a story flaming Jeff. I rather have someone read that garbage off this site than on it. Actually, I was going to post a notice to moderators not to do that anymore...but now I'm not so sure.
As for the "Jeff worshiper" comment over there on the AMT, I simply have to laugh because the person who made that comment has no idea what the word respect* means or can understand the concept. In other words, I don't worship Jeff, but I respect the guy for his contribution to the community despite what a small few might think.
I would like to say the AMT could be a wonderful place if a few rotten people would just stop whining over something no one cares about anymore, or even cared about to begin with.
I'm closing this thread because there is nothing more to say of importance, if you want to continue to flame me in the AMT go ahead. I'm neither a company or someone who makes money off this site for that matter. So there is really nothing you can do to affect me...except maybe make me not allow links to the AMT. 😎
Well I just went to the AMT, and what did I see? Already someone talking bad about me for closing threads. We discussed this people, this site is personal property so think of it as my house. I try to be nice and considerate to all guests here by investing my time and resources to keep this site up and running even at a loss every month.
I have a donation link up, but to be honest no one uses it, and I will not push it onto people. I maintain this site because it is a hobby for me, and my motivation is the millions of people around the world that come to this site to appreciate it and its resources. Now I realize that it's impossible to satisfy 100% of our community, but all you can do is just try your best.
If you want the truth, I myself have never deleted a link to the AMT, in fact I provided a link when someone reposted a story flaming Jeff. I rather have someone read that garbage off this site than on it. Actually, I was going to post a notice to moderators not to do that anymore...but now I'm not so sure.
As for the "Jeff worshiper" comment over there on the AMT, I simply have to laugh because the person who made that comment has no idea what the word respect* means or can understand the concept. In other words, I don't worship Jeff, but I respect the guy for his contribution to the community despite what a small few might think.
I would like to say the AMT could be a wonderful place if a few rotten people would just stop whining over something no one cares about anymore, or even cared about to begin with.
I'm closing this thread because there is nothing more to say of importance, if you want to continue to flame me in the AMT go ahead. I'm neither a company or someone who makes money off this site for that matter. So there is really nothing you can do to affect me...except maybe make me not allow links to the AMT. 😎
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