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[jrobmin]

I have 6 videos that I would like to part with. I AM NOT TRYING TO BECOME A DISTRIBUTOR OR MY OWN BUSINESS...THIS IS A ONE TIME DEAL. I just want to get rid of these vids.

Its a package deal...one price for all of em, highest offer gets 'em.

here they are:

The Interagation (ticklish Torture) -- Vid Tech Films

Falacia's Tickling Party -- Back Bay Video

Tickled Stars -- Prestige Video

Jenny's First Time -- Magic Touch Productions

Tickling Silk and Satin -- Magic Touch Productions

Farra's Feet -- Magic Touch Productions


As I said, Jeff, I don't want to compete with you...I just wanna get rid of these and it would be a shame to just toss 'em. One time deal only.

If your intrested, email me at [email protected]


Thanks...J

 

[dvnc]

an observation, for all viewing this:

This board is funded by Magic Touch Productions. This means he's PAYING for this. Out of pocket. What recompensates him for this effort? Why, buying his videos from him. The key portion of that phrase is "from him".

While I'm hoping that jrobmin is a swell guy, and deserving of the discount that will occur by selling his previously viewed tapes, it DOES mean that the businesses that sold him said tapes, including Magic Touch, will lose your sale to this guy.

That means, essentially, that three of his sales are cutting into the funds that pay for our time here.

jrobmin - your post (possibly inadvertantly) is steering sales away from our benefactor, and doing so ON THE BOARD HE'S FINANCING FOR US.

If you purchase these, you're stealing from Jeff. The same's true for the other company's tapes. I just don't happen t'be friends with folks in those companies.

 

[Shem the Penman]

I'm sorry, but I don't get your argument here. I'm assuming, of course, that the original poster bought his tapes from the creators, and that he's not selling copies ... but assuming that's true, and there's nothing in his post to make me think otherwise, then where's the theft? Once he pays for the tapes, they're his property, and he should be able to sell them or even give them away as he wishes.

By your argument, whenever I go into a used bookstore, I should feel guilty about cheating authors out of royalties. Heck, I've sold old game materials on eBay, and no one has ever accused me of defrauding TSR. And should we hold everyone who sells a used car responsible for the decline of Detroit?

I have nothing but respect for Jeff, and I'm grateful that he chose to support the TMF for all of us, but accusing jrobmin of stealing is harsh and unjustified.

 

[ktickler]

Gotta agree with Shem the Penman

Once you buy something it becomes your property and you can do what you please with that.

Of course, it is understood that you should not become an unfair competitor by selling the same material so cheap that everyone buys from you. However, that does not sound like a lucrative enterprise because you're buying at full price and selling at a lower price. Also, if the other company goes bankrupt, then you have nothing to sale. 🙂

In summary, I do not understand the point of dvnc's post. This is a one time sale (as he clearly stated) and he is the rightful owner of the material he bought (not the intellectual property or the copyright or the original master copy). Hence, he should be able to do whatever he pleases with the copies he bought.

Bye,

Knight Tickler

 

[SuperTickler]

I agree with the two previous posters. jrobmin is entirely within his rights to sell videos that he bought from Jeff (or anyone), so long as they are not bootlegged duplicates. In fact, someone who has not previously purchased an MTP video might buy them, like them, and then purchase more videos from MTP. 😎

 

[TMF Jeff]

I hope nobody minds me jumping in here...

Obviously once you buy the tapes, you can do whatever you want with them, including sell them. I think Dave's only point is that maybe the preferred method of acquiring a tickling video should be from the producer. I dont think he was specifically saying that legally youre doing something wrong.


I will say that tickling videos dont make any producer much money and if you all start selling them among yourselves, its going to be a short ride. Soon we will be back down to only one or two very small independant tickling companies.

 

[Longbaugh]

I think the admirable thing to do is to buy the vids from the orignal producer especialy Jeff because of all he has done for this place. Besides when you buy a tape derectly from the producer it's a freash tape (no degredation from repeated play,rewinding,fastfowarding, improper storage ect.. I'm a freak about making things last especialy tickle vids because you never know if you'll be able to get them in the future)and you have recourse if it's damaged. If you by a tape from an average joe and it's all dicked up you could have a petty feud on your hands. Give to ceaser what is ceaser's and by the videos from the producers. That's just my opinion not that anyone cares.


Having only 2 producers is a scary thought.

 

[dig dug dog]

I want to echo Jeff that dvnc's main message must be this: Buy from Jeff. Buy once, buy twice, buy as often as you can afford. Besides getting excellent tickling material, you are directly supporting this marvelous forum.

I just ordered a Magic Touch video in the last few days--and as they used to say on television, "I'm glad I did!"


ddd

 

[SuperTickler]

Not to get all semantical, but...

I think Dave's only point is that maybe the preferred method of acquiring a tickling video should be from the producer. I dont think he was specifically saying that legally youre doing something wrong.

Well, when you accuse someone of stealing, as Dave did, it sure SOUNDS like he's saying that legally the guy is doing something wrong! 😎

 

[dvnc]

Legally?

SuperTickler, did I say I was a lawyer? Part of the law? Lessee...

...nope. I didn't. "Stealin' from Jeff" is a metaphor, sir. Basic English, and all that.

Someone's just jumped PAST my point.

Grandstand all y'like. It's still, IMO, wrong to support someone that's takin' money from the SOURCE OF THIS BOARD. If Magic Touch sinks, from lack of finance, which, after paying for the regeneration of this board right before the holidays, ain't impossible, then the TMF is RIGHT ALONG SIDE IT.

Stand proud, Shem, SuperTickler, ktickler, and support a guy talkin' about sellin' three Magic Touch tapes. When the board is closed, and Jeff's back to whatever vanilla job he has to take to stay fed, you'll be able to stand by your LEGAL RIGHT to redistribute used videos. It's legal. It's still "stealin' from Jeff's mouth". The quotes are for SuperTickler, so he can see, clearly, the area used as a metaphor.

<*grumble*>

I know the law allows such resale, and if a body gets a used tape, WITH the original labels, unduplicated, that's legally passable. My point is that Jeff FUNDS THIS BOARD ON WHICH YOU ARGUE THIS. You're supporting someone chumpin' the guy that made this board possible to resurface after it's predecessor deep-sixed it.

Take what stand you like. I'm not gonna argue law. I ain't a lawyer. I'm arguin' supportin' a guy who's takin' money from Magic Touch's sales, 'cause he's got what he wanted from his tape purchase. I don't buy second-hand material in this subculture for a reason - it kills the success of the businesses. I don't want them dead. I want the good ones to florish. Magic Touch, IMO, is a good one. Not only do they cater to our interest, but they FUND OUR SITE!

Clearer? I hope so. If not, do specify where. I'm happy to clarify further.

dvnc

 

[jrobmin]

MY OFFICIAL RESPONSE

I am only posting a reply b/c Jeff himself addressed the issue.

Jeff, would you truely rather me trash these videos? As I said, I am not looking to start my own buissness here, only to off load my ENTIRE library of tickling videos in one fair swoop. I don't desire to profit from this transaction, only to possibly make back a small fraction of what I initially invested.

To say that this transaction is wrong , in my opinion, goes against everything this forum is about. Are we here to share what we have with each other? wheather discussion, stories, clips or videos the answer ought to be yes. My options are to throw these away (and we all know that many of the folks out here would be sorely dissapointed at that), give them away or sell them...wheather I give them or sell them would make no difference to MTP or the other companies financially. Anyway you look at it, no matter how or where I sell these, the recipiant will not "re-buy" them from Jeff...but as SHEM THE PENMAN SAID:
"By your argument, whenever I go into a used bookstore, I should feel guilty about cheating authors out of royalties. Heck, I've sold old game materials on eBay, and no one has ever accused me of defrauding TSR. And should we hold everyone who sells a used car responsible for the decline of Detroit?"

I chose to simply sell them to whoever is serious about wanting them, knowing that either way...I'm losing $$ in the transaction.

What seems to be upsetting Dave is that I'm selling them in Jeff's own Forum. Having said all this -- I WILL SUBMIT TO WHATEVER JEFF ASKS OF ME IN THIS MATTER. However Jeff, if you don't respond in the next couple of days, I'll assume everything is ok and proceed.

Thanks, J

 

[PiperGK1]

Maybe you should simply tell the highest bidder that, in addition to his bid, comes the condition that a new video be purchased from Jeff's production co. Then you're not only getting rid of your overstock (I know that's not the "personal" term for it, sounds more like a tickler's warehouse! hee hee), but promoting this sites contributors, as well.

Now, of course, that being said, perhaps Jeff himself could offer a deal to the people who are registered users of this site: say, for every video you return to HIM, he'll give you 20% off a new video. Or something like that. I don't know, I'm not saying any of you are wrong in what you posted, I just think its a big deal over nothing, but in today's litigious world we're all so fearful of toe smashing and letting people get away with ANYTHING that might even seem remotely untoward. I feel for the guy wanting to get rid of his stuff: you don't exactly have too many options in offloading that kind of material. I know that I wouldn't be caught dead selling tickling videos at a yard sale!! I'm just trying to say that maybe you should give the guy a break. I don't think anyone's going to lose out in the long run. But, Jeff, seriously, maybe you could think about what I mentioned. There have certainly been times when I got bored with an old tickling video but didn't feel like shelling out full price for a new one, so I didn't buy anything at ALL. Something to consider.

 

[MTJpub]

This is an ugly issue for discussion. No opinion or view point can escape unscathed. I don't feel there was any malicious wrong doing on anyone's part. I do feel it was a poor decision for "jrobmin" to advertise his sale of the videos here. However I don't think that anyone is truly condemning him for his actions. Also you need to note that the TMF secret police did not delete the post and send "jrobmin" to a work camp in Siberia for his actions against the state.

When Jeff first took over the TMF forum he asked me if I wanted to join him in the momentous task. Frankly I declined the invitation. My reason..."FUNDING" I knew that there was money at risk. As the owner of MTJ Publishing I know how minimal my profits are.The operation is run very close to the wire 2/3 of the year. I truly could not risk the chance of having to cough up a few hundred dollars each month if the need was required. Keep in mind that at this time the TMF was did not "APPEAR" to be all that expensive to run. However several upgrades later and after the investment of a few thousand dollars I am very glad I am not financially responsible.

It seems that the commercial tickling community has kept the financial end of their business a closely guarded secret for years. Not surprising since most business don't tend to share this information publicly. However I am here to tell you that none of us are getting rich providing the tickling community with tickling merchandise. I truly feel that the vast majority of us do this primarily because of our interest in the fetish.

I have close to 1200 members in my Yahoo TFTA tickling magazine fan club. Less then 10% of which actually purchase the magazine. The same is true for many of the tickling vendors. The vast majority of internet tickling fans simply download the free stuff and move on. Most of which will not even invest the time to even thank the provider of such material. That is a hard fact. Those of you that participate on this forum and others are in the minority.

I think what Dave & his supporters in this thread are trying to say is very simple. "Please try and support the people that have given so much to this community"

It may sound ludicrous to ask people not to resell their lawfully purchased goods. But the fact of the matter is that selling your used Tom Clancy novel at the local used book store has little to no impact on MR. Clancy's personal income. Selling your used copy of a MTP video on this forum directly impacts Jeff's personal income.

Does this make the seller a bad person? No

Are his actions criminal? No

Does this action take funds away from the operation of this forum? Yes

Despite it all this forum did not take away his right to offer his videos for sale here. Even when it's owner/provider is aversely effected by it. For me that is just another testament to Jeff's honorable character.

There are many sacrifices made behind the scenes by the vendors that serve this community. It is time that more people began to take notice.

 

[Darkknight]

Just wanted to add my words on this very touchy subject.
I've got a hell of a collection of tickle vids.

I download and thank people for that and give back when I can.
Bad choice to want to sell them here. This forum is being funded by Jeff and without him doing that, there would be no TMF. It's more of a respect thing.

You should sell them on Ebay like most others have.
I've bought enough vids to not have any problem with selling
the ones I don't watch anymore. I just wouldn't do it here.
Out of respect. If you bought them legally, you have the right to sell your property.

You didn't do anything wrong J, you just picked the wrong place to sell.

Peace,
DK

 

[TMF Jeff]

Re: MY OFFICIAL RESPONSE

I WILL SUBMIT TO WHATEVER JEFF ASKS OF ME IN THIS MATTER. However Jeff, if you don't respond in the next couple of days, I'll assume everything is ok and proceed.

Thanks, J

Having already said in my original reply that it's obvious to me that you are free to do whatever you want, I don't really understand why you are asking me this. Since I somehow failed to communicate myself fully the first time, though, I'll try to be a little clearer now.

First of all, I align myself totally with what Morandilas said. I normally don't talk about specific numbers, but I will say a couple of things more precisely. There are a lot of people in my Yahoo club and on my website and here who email me with requests for things. Far more people than buy videos. My last video has literally not yet paid for itself, for example. In the long run it will cover its cost, and probably a little more, but in the short term it leaves me with a clear and immediate, and very real, problem, and I have to say flat out that I'm a little disturbed personally when people say that MTP, or Femfeet or anyone else, are their favorite producer but they dont own a video. I wont speak for any other company in this fetish, but there is definitely no gauruntee that I will be able to continue from month to month.

Another obvious thing is that everyone's situation is unique. I'm not saying anyone should go and do anything they don't want to do, or aren't able to do. I've always tried hard to not pressure people to buy videos, and I've also always tried to be generous about sharing free material. And, Ill add, I did not say anything about your posting here until it became an "issue". Im not trying to shove my opinions down anyones throats.

What I am saying, though, is this. This month is going to be a tight squeeze for me financially because of the poor showing of the last video, despite all of the people telling me how much they loved Sabrina by the way, and if next month is like this month Im going to have to start trimming unnecessary expenses, and the first thing on my list would be the TMF, which from the sales I have lately contributes nothing to the bottom line. I would hope to eventually bring it back up, but if it comes to cutting costs, this huge bill would be the first one I would stop paying. I hate saying a thing like that, but it is what it is. It's not intended as a forceful statement, just a realistic assessment of the situation. I really resent being challenged when I ask for a little consideration. I specifically said it was fine to do what you want, but somehow that isn't enough?

So, to say it again, do whatever you want to with your property, including sell it on the TMF. Just dont act surprised when next month you have to look for somewhere else to sell it from. I have to say that I'm beginning to become a little impatient with this situation, so I hope I don't have to keep coming back to it. I've said what I intend to say, and you are free to do whatever you want with that information, including ignore it.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I want to add, in case there is confusion, that the things I say here are my own personal opinions as a producer of tickling videos and a member of the tickling community. Myriads runs the TMF entirely without my interference (with the one exception that has already had more attention than it deserves.)

 

[dig dug dog]

I want to repost my quiet, little sentiment stated above: jrobmin and everyone else--let's BUY FROM JEFF and get a wonderful Forum as a "BUY-product" (get it, BUY/BY...oh well...)

Thanks for listening!

dig dug

Jeff, I'm getting the Phoenix Returns video...it looks excellent!!

 

[Longbaugh]

It irks me to here Jeff say he gets more requests for free things than video orders and that he has trouble selling his last vid(I don't no why, I think Esther is a hottie). I recently sent a vid back because I thought it was faulty and it wasn't and now I feel real bad about it. I also would have foregone my Yenny comic discount had I'd known he was having this much trouble. My point is I buy alot of tickle vids. I've ordered nine vids from Jeff in the last year and I own almost every vid femfeet has put out. I don't have a great surpluss of money and my job security is in jepordy because of layoffs and the topsy turvey economy and I still support the vid producers in the community. I ask people to please support the tickle vid companies that support the forum and stop taking and not giving anything back. Jeff I'm sorry for your troubles with your business I hope you pull through. I once ran a small business and it did not fare well (I probably be trying it again if I get the chance and do it right this time) so I know how it is, everybody wants something for nothing. Once again I'm sorry if I've put you out with that tape return.