WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS INDUSTRY?! (OR: "Why do most clips SUCK...?!")

[toyguy601]

Okay:

Now, this is the sort of thing that WILL get me flamed, and I have stopped caring. I'm quite sure that a couple of wise-asses out there will try to smear me, and again -- couldn't fucking care less. Go fuck your SELF if you have a problem with ANYTHING that I'm about to write. And anyone who feels self-righteous and wants to take me to task for dropping the F-bomb here, YOU can go and fuck your SELF too, because this is an ADULTS-ONLY forum. ADULTS-ONLY MEANS that if you are too stupid, young, or "delicate," then go elsewhere.

The reason why I may seem incredibly vitriolic here is that I'm sick to DEATH of slogging through scores of vids and hundreds of pics on-line, finding absolutley NOTHING that interests me REALLY. Of course the idea of tickling a woman into submission interests me greatly -- it is more the way in which the producers of porn have set things up. I promise you that if no one out there does what I'm suggesting, I'm going to do it my SELF. And I promise you that it MAY end up breaking some laws, and again -- as long as everyone involved is of LEGAL AGE, then I may end up having to break the law, to get the kinds of stories and visuals that I want.

Here I go...

1. Clips, and of course entire movies, need the following things:

- A PLOT. (If you don't know what a PLOT is, then either look it up in the dictionary, or go back to high school and get your GED.)

- A REASON for tickling a person. I happen to like seeing women getting tickled by other women, but hey -- whatever floats it for YOU. I'm simply saying that the ticklER has to have a GOOD reason to want to tickle the ticklEE.

- Some kind of punishment "banter." This entails doing more than simply grunting or laughing. Those kinds of idiocies are best left to mainstream porn.

- Clothing that is REMOVED during the course of the punishment. PREFERABLY ALL OF IT.

YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


(Okay -- calm down now ToyGuy, k? Moving on then...)

Whew...

2. Um, look -- if you have a problem with nudity in film or in photos or whatever, then why don't you sell your computer and go and live in a convent somewhere? Jeez LOUISE!!! I absolutely LOVE the way that some of you clowns post actual content that "WARNS" people that there "is some nudity involved in this production...so WATCH out!!!" Wow...I mean, seriously...are you kidding? Does ANYONE actually have a problem with nudity and tickling?

3. I guess that I'm going to answer my own question on #2 there. Someone, years ago, ACTUALLY WROTE that "the topless thing is fine, but I DON'T AGREE with tickling a woman on her pussy" (!!!!) WHAT IN THE FUCK are you THINKING?! IT IS A FUCKING PORN MOVIE!!!!

If you aren't looking at tickling media to get off, then STOP LOOKING AT IT. I'm not kidding. Anyone here who has a problem with jerking off or having sex while engaged in tickling can go and (you guessed it) FUCK YOUR SELVES.

Thanks.

TG

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

The answer to the thread title is simple. Its because it IS just tickling that its so mundane, simplistic and overused. Theres only so much stretching of plot or story one can do when the very premise is so simple as to tickle a woman's foot or tie her up. Its pretty short and straightforward. Not much to work with. We tend to forget these producers are working out of their own homes or garages with crappy video equipment and crappy props. Whats even worse is the acting. But thats their fault again because they hire anyone off the street that will do this for chump change. They have to, unless they want to be uncovered by the masses and labeled freaks. So their choice of "actress" is limited to begin with. It could be a ***** for all they care, they are so overcome by their need to sell that quality of story telling and quality of actress is overlooked and lost in the equation.

I don't know much about it, because I haven't purchased a tickling video or plan to. But I have watched some clips here. And while the basic premise is to simply tickle someone and that satisfies the base need/pleasure of most viewers, it is simply not enough for people who take it more seriously and want more than a fake production.

Perhaps the worst thing is their lying. I'll bet more than half of these models aren't even ticklish to begin with, don't feel ticklish when being tickled the way they are in these videos, and they're told how to act, how to laugh, and are given cues off camera. They aren't professional actresses by any means, they're just people off the street who answered an ad and really didn't know what they were getting into. They just want the money, its not a livelyhood for them the way it would be for a professional, nor is it a livelyhood for these producers. Otherwise they would take this more seriously and invest into a solid business network.

No plots, no story, sometimes not even attractive or ticklish women. Crappy equipment, locations, and even crappier standards. The actresses aren't even called that. Haven't you noticed they're refered to as "models"? They do this because they already know they'll be a disappointment to many, so in calling them mere models, the expectations are supposed to be lowered by the viewers automatically. That appeases some people, but not anyone who wants better quality, especially if they're paying for it. They aren't even models either. But then again, thats part of the allure of the fans, that these are just average people. But that still takes second place to whether the ticklishness is real and the laughter is genuine. Its so easy to say "oh, stop ahahahaha..I'm so ticklish" and make it sound convincing enough for some but not enough for people who demand higher excellence.

I suppose this all could be summed up for you with this:

This "industry" as you call it, is NOT an industry at all. Its Joe-Anybody's Home Movies. It is not a legitimate business in the sense that it is lucrative, nor does it hold a position of professionalism. They are simply not professionals, or ex-professionals and they never will be. They don't know what makes for good, quality video because they are not in the business of film and movies, and it shows in everything that they do. They just hit the record button and hope the rest is good enough and that people will get so used to it that they settle for less. And the only reason they are still making any money at all is because this is like porn and is addictive to alot of people, by it's very nature as a fetish. If it was not, you wouldn't hear of these people and you'd have to make your own videos.

And in closing this actuals touches upon your initial threat/announcement that you'll create your own videos with the quality and assurance of everything you aspire to and know others want to. And as far as that goes, more power to you.

 

[Nerobob1]

So all those PEOPLE spending money on clips are living a LIE? And to think THEY never even KNEW! My EYES have been OPENED.

I never realised how fun capitalising random words can be.

like wise Mr Dracula above me said, there is absolutely nothing stopping you creating your own tickling video revolution. Jesus. Saying that, I doubt you'd get any higher sales than Real Tickling, Last Laugh et al.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Such a wonderful self-introduction. And that vocabulary! I'm impressed. NOT!

The thing about clips is that each person has a different opinion on what is or isn't good. Everyone has their own preferences about what they want to see. For the most part, the video companies tend to follow where the sales are. That may leave a lot of great material undone. But, they have to pay the bills.

AFA the nudity warnings, etc... That's just plain courtesy for other people. Frankly, I don't consider that a bad thing at all. I wish more people would show some courtesy. I'd love to see a lot more stuff like the OLD Magic Touch material that's just good clean fun. (Remember, not everyone is into tickling for sexual reasons.) But, I'm in a minority on that. So, I don't expect to see much. That's just business I guess. I'm not going to complain about it.

Ann

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

To be frank, unless you're willing to invest thousands of dollars and hire close, attractive friends that you know want the best for your business and not just their money and personal gain and truely are ticklish, then the best you can possibly hope for is porn-level movie quality, instead of these home-movies that the current producers peddle out.

In all honesty, this is not a business. Its a fetish. That, by it's very nature, will dominate what it can and will be and will limit it's productivity from the very beginning. True, you could strive for better quality, and you may very well beat these other producers and become the next king of the block or king of the hill, but that is where the buck would stop.

Its not like Hollywood, with real actors with real careers, and real CG and hundred-thousand dollar pieces of equipment. Your audiance is small in the greater scheme of things, and your fanbase comes from the same pool. You start and end with very little to work with, and sooner or later you would realize that its not worth the money you're putting into it, and the payoff is miniscule.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

AFA the nudity warnings, etc... That's just plain courtesy for other people. Frankly, I don't consider that a bad thing at all. I wish more people would show some courtesy. I'd love to see a lot more stuff like the OLD Magic Touch material that's just good clean fun. (Remember, not everyone is into tickling for sexual reasons.) But, I'm in a minority on that. So, I don't expect to see much. That's just business I guess. I'm not going to complain about it.

Ann

And the fact tickling clips and videos are becoming more pornographic in nature and nudity and genital tickling, which is just an excuse to offer masturbation, is a growing trend.

You're right. Nothing is being retained, no value or good old fun. Its all raunchy now. Theres hardly any variety.

Like you mentioned, I happen to be one of those people who is not into tickling for sexual reasons. I like tickling, but its not a fetish for me. But that doesn't stop me from enjoying a good clip. But the way things are going, its very discouraging.

These "producers" are just desperate for sales. They'll often times say "this is what our fans wanted to see". How do the rest of us know that? We simply have to take their word for it. And I won't, not for people who are taking something and turning it into porn. Don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with adult scenarios and sensual situations, I'm fine with that. But its getting to be a bit much.

I don't have much to say about it, since I really don't care, but when topics like this come up and people wonder "why" I tell them. And its more often than not a rude awakening for them.

 

[His Divine Shadow]

The only thing I have to add to this is a reinforcement of what Ann and Vlad said. It is simply this: if few or no members of the tickling community liked what they produce, we would not only have far fewer producers than we have today, we'd likely have none. So obviously more than a few people find the current state of affairs at least tolerable, if not good. The various producers have, for the most part, survived well enough over the years by following the trends of the community. What once was a videotape only market moved to mostly video and some online clips to mostly online clips, to now nearly all online clips, with content changing along with this. Again, if they were failing to deliver a product consumers wanted to purchase, they would have long since closed their (virtual) doors.

As Vlad said, nothing stops you from going out and making your own videos but you and how much you are willing to do about your dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. Should you choose to follow that path, I wish you the best of luck.

 

[LionKing08]

I agree most of these people being tickled are not ticklish. Most people who are realy ticklish would never go though this because it would drive them out of there minds. what we need is real tickle torture, from real people. To bad ingrid the tickle tortore domme does not video her girls. We need the real deal.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Whats sad is you'll never get the real deal. This fetish has played a very cruel joke on all of you.

The real deal is much more than just a ticklish person laughing. The real deal is a real situation, a real location, and completely fresh material.

But beyond that it can't possibly be more real. This is as real as it's ever going to get. Why? Because all of these videos are premeditated. People KNOW they are going to transpire.

For this to be completely real and not fake at all you'd have to literally go out to parks and such, and tickle women's feet when they are sleeping on blankets or whatever. You'd of course get in trouble possibly, face fines or jail time for any number of charges, but thats the only way it could be real.

Its not just that its unwilling either. It has to NOT be premeditated, even on your part. It has to be something where every instance lines up correctly and a situation presents itself.

But is that even possible? I don't think so, I honestly don't. Not if you don't want to get in trouble. You just can't go around tickling people, or worse, taping it. Its socially awkward and will get you in trouble, even if it may be a slap on the wrist and them taking your video equipment or film. That, and you have no right to touch people like that.

I know I'm just telling you what you already know, and I am thinking out loud, but I do hope that video-making hopefuls realize this truth in regards to sales, the making of said videos, and public relations and satisfaction.

Again though, if you can manage to come up with something inventive and new and more importantly, less contrived and more natural, than please do so, and best wishes to your efforts. 🙂

 

[alchemy1]

I think another reason is that many of these fetish producers (with some excluded of course..you know who you are) simply have no respect for the fetish. They are in the porn business and realize that there is a market for fetish type material. So they make a few videos/clips, over exagerate the quality of them to promote sales, and sit back and wait for one of us to be lured into their world of false tickling. They never had any respect for the fetish, they don't care if it is real or not, and they never intended to put out a truely good product to all the "tickle freaks" out there. This is why it is best to stick to and support the few good companies that actually do put out quality stuff.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Thanks for that alchemy. You said what I was going to later. Exactly, well done.

These types of people, as you discribe, are just preying on and taking advantage of fetishists. They don't respect it, they don't respect you, and you are but a person to be used to make a profit. While anyone could say that is what the entertainment business is in general, its not the same as this. This is deeper than a fad or pop culture for alot of people, and screwing with them like this is wrong.

I don't know how it feels, but I'd imagine it would be very embarassing and undignified.

 

[Mercury1]

... 2. Um, look -- if you have a problem with nudity in film or in photos or whatever, then why don't you sell your computer and go and live in a convent somewhere? Jeez LOUISE!!! I absolutely LOVE the way that some of you clowns post actual content that "WARNS" people that there "is some nudity involved in this production...so WATCH out!!!" Wow...I mean, seriously...are you kidding? Does ANYONE actually have a problem with nudity and tickling?

Er, I have a problem with it. When I see videos, I notice most of them are */F. That's not bad! But since I'm straight, and I have absolutely NO desires, for lack of better term, for females, I don't really enjoy watching videos where the female is bloody naked! Especially if people are touching her in private areas. I don't "get off" on naked females. So when people post videos and warn me of naked females in it, then yes; I am most appriciated of it so I can look somewhere else where the female is AT LEAST clothed enough not to expose private areas!

There's my two cents.

Toodles!

 

[FIXLUNGS1]

I can understand your frustration completely. Im glad that you voiced your opinion as well. That is what this thread is for. I am sick and tired of these sites that think they are fooling us with girls that look great and are not ticklish and fake it. I dont care what anyone says, you can find plenty of ticklish girls around. The sad thing is that a lot of these sites like Feetonline have great equipment but have never had an even remotely ticklish girl on camera in years. They must all learn that we want real ticklish girls and not these fake bimbos. I hope you get what you want and if you decide to do it yourself, let me know and I will give you plenty of money to help out.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Er, I have a problem with it. When I see videos, I notice most of them are */F. That's not bad! But since I'm straight, and I have absolutely NO desires, for lack of better term, for females, I don't really enjoy watching videos where the female is bloody naked! Especially if people are touching her in private areas. I don't "get off" on naked females. So when people post videos and warn me of naked females in it, then yes; I am most appriciated of it so I can look somewhere else where the female is AT LEAST clothed enough not to expose private areas!

There's my two cents.

Toodles!

Definitely. Its the same for pictures and art. I prefer some forewarning before I look at them. I don't mind the nudity if it's tasteful, but I think its definitely better when people put something like *this thread contains nudity* in the title.

 

[mart]

Okay:

Now, this is the sort of thing that WILL get me flamed, and I have stopped caring. I'm quite sure that a couple of wise-asses out there will try to smear me, and again -- couldn't fucking care less. Go fuck your SELF if you have a problem with ANYTHING that I'm about to write. And anyone who feels self-righteous and wants to take me to task for dropping the F-bomb here, YOU can go and fuck your SELF too, because this is an ADULTS-ONLY forum. ADULTS-ONLY MEANS that if you are too stupid, young, or "delicate," then go elsewhere.

The reason why I may seem incredibly vitriolic here is that I'm sick to DEATH of slogging through scores of vids and hundreds of pics on-line, finding absolutley NOTHING that interests me REALLY. Of course the idea of tickling a woman into submission interests me greatly -- it is more the way in which the producers of porn have set things up. I promise you that if no one out there does what I'm suggesting, I'm going to do it my SELF. And I promise you that it MAY end up breaking some laws, and again -- as long as everyone involved is of LEGAL AGE, then I may end up having to break the law, to get the kinds of stories and visuals that I want.

Here I go...

1. Clips, and of course entire movies, need the following things:

- A PLOT. (If you don't know what a PLOT is, then either look it up in the dictionary, or go back to high school and get your GED.)

- A REASON for tickling a person. I happen to like seeing women getting tickled by other women, but hey -- whatever floats it for YOU. I'm simply saying that the ticklER has to have a GOOD reason to want to tickle the ticklEE.

- Some kind of punishment "banter." This entails doing more than simply grunting or laughing. Those kinds of idiocies are best left to mainstream porn.

- Clothing that is REMOVED during the course of the punishment. PREFERABLY ALL OF IT.

YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!


(Okay -- calm down now ToyGuy, k? Moving on then...)

Whew...

2. Um, look -- if you have a problem with nudity in film or in photos or whatever, then why don't you sell your computer and go and live in a convent somewhere? Jeez LOUISE!!! I absolutely LOVE the way that some of you clowns post actual content that "WARNS" people that there "is some nudity involved in this production...so WATCH out!!!" Wow...I mean, seriously...are you kidding? Does ANYONE actually have a problem with nudity and tickling?

3. I guess that I'm going to answer my own question on #2 there. Someone, years ago, ACTUALLY WROTE that "the topless thing is fine, but I DON'T AGREE with tickling a woman on her pussy" (!!!!) WHAT IN THE FUCK are you THINKING?! IT IS A FUCKING PORN MOVIE!!!!

If you aren't looking at tickling media to get off, then STOP LOOKING AT IT. I'm not kidding. Anyone here who has a problem with jerking off or having sex while engaged in tickling can go and (you guessed it) FUCK YOUR SELVES.

Thanks.

TG

One way to possibly enjoy a tickling video again is for you to abstain from any sexual activity for a few weeks - you know, absence makes the heart ...

And by the way, could you explain how I can fuck myself.

 

[laughingboy2000]

Plots and story ruin the thing for me. I want tickling, not a fake story to go with it.

 

[nessonite1]

My thoughts exactly, laughinboy. Videoes are bad cause they DONT have stories and plots? The worst are the ones that do have that crap. Most of it is just common porn with a thin layer of tk laid on top. What a waste.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Actually the ones who have "plots", the "plots" are lame and totally unbelievable or exagerated to the point of being totally riduculous along with the BAD SAD acting and the LAME tickling. Maybe if the plots were better and real ticklish people were used in the vids who don't even embeilish the reactions let alone FAKE them, everyone will profit from them. Sometimes there should be a plot (if the plot is decent and believable) and sometimes, an insanely ticklish person, tied down and merciless tickle tortured for absolutely no reason but to just be tickle tortured by a wild and crazed tickler or ticklers(therein itself is a plot really), that too would be excellent.
Nothing whatsoever wrong with nudity......not all the time but nevertheless, NOTHING wrong at all with it. Bottome line is that it is all about the tickling and the autnenticity of it all.
Porn is porn and always will be porn. I am talking about the FU**Flicks not sexual tickle vids......there is yet another level or topic.
Again, in the end......it's all about the tickling.....etc..

TTD

 

[nessonite1]

I can't imagine one with a storyline that would be believeable but I suppose it's within the realm of possibility. Mainstream clips is as close as I've seen to that so if someone could produce something that looked like mainstream (like a sitcome or something) and then just expanded the tickling aspect....well...I suppose it's possible.

 

[morgandee]

ahh, the tragedy of an edited message :[

for the fact that the other relevant messages were deleted, my livejournal remains at a constant state of aggravation

 

[Dude'sonfire]

WTF!?!?!?!? That was the most truly random sub-convo in the history of this forum! (in the limited time i've been here at least...) lol i love it! Oh and toyguy, always great to see a little bit of anger being pumped into the system! Good on you! Ah, entertainment...

 

[Nina69]

two words, right on



(incidently, the only site i've found with a shred of a plot i it is dungeonmadiens.com)

 

[Triple T1]

Tickle videos to me are parodys of a real tickle get togethers,I just can't take them seriously.Hell ,we should pool are resources here and make a real tickle video with the Hyena's club just for us.

 

[alex]

A while ago I posted at TMF the manual that I think these filmmakers follow.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=39942

 

[nessonite1]

That was hilarious, jalexx!!
And I'm with you there, triple T 😛 If you need a camera-woman lemme know! 😛