I'm not a fan of wrestling, but I was flipping through the channels on Thursday night and watched part of some wrestling show. What I saw was a show that had terrible acting with plots that made Soap Operas seem resonable. I don't understand. What is the attraction here?
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What's the deal with Wrestling
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ForgottenTcklr
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You know Iggy,
When I was younger... wrestling was fun to watch. Why? Because it was wrestling and NOT a drama. Now, it has turned into a series more that a sport. It's all about who did what to who and who stole whose g/f. I can't watch it anymore regularly. Every once in a while, I'll watch a few minutes.
When I was younger... wrestling was fun to watch. Why? Because it was wrestling and NOT a drama. Now, it has turned into a series more that a sport. It's all about who did what to who and who stole whose g/f. I can't watch it anymore regularly. Every once in a while, I'll watch a few minutes.
I would have to agree wrestling is more of a 60 minute drama,then the wrestling itself.WWE is the only big show left in town so,they are fighting for an audience.They,need to bring in people they need that revenue.That's why,you have bikini matches,fake gay marriages.It's all about the dollar and drama and sex will sell so that is what they are selling.
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ForgottenTcklr said:
When I was younger I didnt know all the secrets to it that I do now.🙁 😛
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WWE-type wrestling is (to me, at least) an awful bore, but some of the privately produced videos of FM and FF wrestling are verrrrry nice 😉 I especially like the ones from www.specialinterests.com -- a couple of them contain FM tickling too!
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If you're more into pure wrestling, avoid Raw and watch Smackdown. Especially anything involving Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, or Edge.
I know one wrestler...because he's been on Saturday Night Live.
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Beyond that, I've absolutely no interest in what appears to me to be silliness. *shrug* I just don't get into things like wrestling or Nascar..lolol It's all staged and fake and that didn't blow my skirt up.
My dearest friend, a guy....once explained it thusly to me:
Him- "What TV show do you like?"
Me- "Ummm...Northern Exposure...Frasier."
Him- "You know that's all fake, right?"
Me- "Your point?"
Him- "It's ACTING!"
Me- "So!"
Him- "Great argument, Jo"
Joby
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Beyond that, I've absolutely no interest in what appears to me to be silliness. *shrug* I just don't get into things like wrestling or Nascar..lolol It's all staged and fake and that didn't blow my skirt up.
My dearest friend, a guy....once explained it thusly to me:
Him- "What TV show do you like?"
Me- "Ummm...Northern Exposure...Frasier."
Him- "You know that's all fake, right?"
Me- "Your point?"
Him- "It's ACTING!"
Me- "So!"
Him- "Great argument, Jo"
Joby
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It's about spectacle
Wrestling is about being seen. It isn't what it was in the early 1900 because people would go to see the real thing and a match could take as long as 2 or 3 ours. When intrest started to fade a group of pramoters formed the Gold-Dust-Trio(knoe Dustin Rennelds was not a member). They turned wrestling into more of the show you see today, but the championship bouts were still real. Then came Ed "strangler" Louis, considered to be the best wrestler ever. He was so good that her could win or lose the belt when he chose to. This added to the
"fake" aspect more because he threw the matches he lost.
Over the years territories were formed, and guys like "Nature Boy" Buddy Rodgers, Killer Kawolsky, and the first "Gorgeos" George came on the seen. Right up until the late 80's though, vetrins wouldn't think twice about beating you to a pulp during a match. Hulk Hogan said Andre used to slap him around pretty good, and he would vomit on his way to arenas when he knew he would be facing the Giant that night.
Now, unfortunetly, wrestling is more show then sport (or athletics). sure you have to be athletic to do the stuff they do, and if you don't think you have to be tough to take those fall, well guess again. What makes wrestling so unbeleavable is the fact that all thease high flying types will knock a guy down 2 seconds into the match and he will pull of a big move from the top turnbuckle. Hello, when Rick Steamboat, Randy Savage, The Rocker, or any of the high flyers of the 80's and early 90's wanted to pull of there arail move they still had to "beat" up on the other guy for a little bit.
In closing, wrestling is about Good vs Evil, although now the bad guys (Steve Austin) are getting cheared, while the good guys (Kurt Angle) get booed. Pimps are cheered, and and proprietors of virtue are booed. As for the "Fakeness" of it all? I was in the forums chat room when a member said "You know its all fake right." a second memeber said "Yeh...you know Martin Sheen isn't realy the Presadent right." 😛
Wrestling is about being seen. It isn't what it was in the early 1900 because people would go to see the real thing and a match could take as long as 2 or 3 ours. When intrest started to fade a group of pramoters formed the Gold-Dust-Trio(knoe Dustin Rennelds was not a member). They turned wrestling into more of the show you see today, but the championship bouts were still real. Then came Ed "strangler" Louis, considered to be the best wrestler ever. He was so good that her could win or lose the belt when he chose to. This added to the
"fake" aspect more because he threw the matches he lost.
Over the years territories were formed, and guys like "Nature Boy" Buddy Rodgers, Killer Kawolsky, and the first "Gorgeos" George came on the seen. Right up until the late 80's though, vetrins wouldn't think twice about beating you to a pulp during a match. Hulk Hogan said Andre used to slap him around pretty good, and he would vomit on his way to arenas when he knew he would be facing the Giant that night.
Now, unfortunetly, wrestling is more show then sport (or athletics). sure you have to be athletic to do the stuff they do, and if you don't think you have to be tough to take those fall, well guess again. What makes wrestling so unbeleavable is the fact that all thease high flying types will knock a guy down 2 seconds into the match and he will pull of a big move from the top turnbuckle. Hello, when Rick Steamboat, Randy Savage, The Rocker, or any of the high flyers of the 80's and early 90's wanted to pull of there arail move they still had to "beat" up on the other guy for a little bit.
In closing, wrestling is about Good vs Evil, although now the bad guys (Steve Austin) are getting cheared, while the good guys (Kurt Angle) get booed. Pimps are cheered, and and proprietors of virtue are booed. As for the "Fakeness" of it all? I was in the forums chat room when a member said "You know its all fake right." a second memeber said "Yeh...you know Martin Sheen isn't realy the Presadent right." 😛
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Ummmmm, Slaver....when was the last time you saw a show? lol Steve Austin has been gone for a while now. 😀
I think what it comes down to is that Vince and the WWE writers have learned enough about people that they try to cater to what they want to see. The fact is that the majority of those who watch don't want to see straight wrestling. They want to see flesh and violence and nonsense. So, you have pretty girls strutting around in bikini matches. You have people being attacked from behind outside of the ring. And you have little tidbits like Golddust impersonating anyone he can think of while BookerT tries to keep a straight face demanding to know what the heck he's doing.
Vince has said MANY times that it's not meant to be a straight wrestling show. Most of the wrestlers are in amazing shape and can take a LOT of punishment. I challenge anyone to stand in the middle of their livingroom floor and flop onto their back....repeatedly....not hitting their head...getting right up...going back for more. Then, I'd like to see them race back and forth from fence to fence in their yard, boncing off them as they go. Then, maybe they could do a couple of back flips off the back porch railing, landing flat out on top of a big bag of rock. Then..... Well, you get the picture. These guys are VERY athletic. If you think the hits are fake, just go to the Ross Report sometime on the WWE web site. A look at the injury lists from week to week may act to show you that the majority of the hits are real. They keep their own EMS team and physician in the back to patch these guys up after matches.
Bottom line? You're right. It's not straight wrestling. But, it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be entertainment, not just sports. As with any other entertainment...If you like it, watch. If not, don't watch. At least they're kicking out the steroid pumped guys and those with other drug and alcohol problems now. Hell, I hate the whole Jackass thing that everyone's raving about. But, that didn't stop it from making over 50 million at the boxoffice this past weekend.
**shrug** Go figure!
Ann
I think what it comes down to is that Vince and the WWE writers have learned enough about people that they try to cater to what they want to see. The fact is that the majority of those who watch don't want to see straight wrestling. They want to see flesh and violence and nonsense. So, you have pretty girls strutting around in bikini matches. You have people being attacked from behind outside of the ring. And you have little tidbits like Golddust impersonating anyone he can think of while BookerT tries to keep a straight face demanding to know what the heck he's doing.
Vince has said MANY times that it's not meant to be a straight wrestling show. Most of the wrestlers are in amazing shape and can take a LOT of punishment. I challenge anyone to stand in the middle of their livingroom floor and flop onto their back....repeatedly....not hitting their head...getting right up...going back for more. Then, I'd like to see them race back and forth from fence to fence in their yard, boncing off them as they go. Then, maybe they could do a couple of back flips off the back porch railing, landing flat out on top of a big bag of rock. Then..... Well, you get the picture. These guys are VERY athletic. If you think the hits are fake, just go to the Ross Report sometime on the WWE web site. A look at the injury lists from week to week may act to show you that the majority of the hits are real. They keep their own EMS team and physician in the back to patch these guys up after matches.
Bottom line? You're right. It's not straight wrestling. But, it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be entertainment, not just sports. As with any other entertainment...If you like it, watch. If not, don't watch. At least they're kicking out the steroid pumped guys and those with other drug and alcohol problems now. Hell, I hate the whole Jackass thing that everyone's raving about. But, that didn't stop it from making over 50 million at the boxoffice this past weekend.
**shrug** Go figure!Ann
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Your Missing the point
First of all, my mention of Steve "Wife Beater" Austin and Kurt Angle were simple to show how the balance has switched. 10-12 years ago Austin would have been a bad guy fueding with Hulk Hogan or the Ultimat Warrior, were as Angle would have been teaming with the Hulster. As for the West Wing/Wreslting thing, I never said anything about plots or acting. The point is that both show are ment to entertain an not taken to seriosly. (Please for give my spelling)
First of all, my mention of Steve "Wife Beater" Austin and Kurt Angle were simple to show how the balance has switched. 10-12 years ago Austin would have been a bad guy fueding with Hulk Hogan or the Ultimat Warrior, were as Angle would have been teaming with the Hulster. As for the West Wing/Wreslting thing, I never said anything about plots or acting. The point is that both show are ment to entertain an not taken to seriosly. (Please for give my spelling)
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It was me who made the Martin Sheen comment, incidentally. I also occasionally point out that Anthony Edwards isn't a doctor. The point is not to compare the acting on wrestling to the acting on serious dramas, but just that people who dismiss wrestling by saying "It's not real" are missing the point.
Besides, who cares about reality all that much? It always amazes me that some of the people who condemn wrestling are perfectly willing to watch real people really starve, really bicker, or really fall into campfires on Survivor ...
Besides, who cares about reality all that much? It always amazes me that some of the people who condemn wrestling are perfectly willing to watch real people really starve, really bicker, or really fall into campfires on Survivor ...
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Thanks Shem
Thanks Penman, I didn't wan't to name name's so I just quoted you. Also remeber most pro-wrestlers have amature and even pro-sports back ground. Brock Lesner and Kurt Angle are both university wrestling champions, have won the NCAA wrestling championship (in different weight class's I beleave), and Lesner is a double...2 time...twice over...All American. Kurt Angle of course won the gold in Atlanta for wrestling. The Rock played Foot Ball for the CFL, "Big Cat" Ernie Lad played for the NFL, and Ron Simmons' University (or Colleg ???) jersy was retired a few years back. Bret Hart was the Alberta Amature Wrestling Champion, and Bob Baclund had many Amture wrestling titles as well.
Wrestling is more demanding then any sport, except for maybe boxing. Then again boxers don't have to get tossed around 6-9 times a week (yea more then one match/night some times). You don't have to have carisma to be a boxer (though it helps sell tickets) and wrestlers don't get 3 month breaks to recover (though in japan they give 3 week breaks after a realy big tour).
Jeff Jerrett once said..."For those who beleave no excuse is needed, for those that don't no excuse will ever be good enough." translation, your either a fan or your not. The fact that Wrestling PP/V's bring in millions of $$$, and that arena after arena is filled proves that there are more "beleavers" then "nonbeleavers".
Thanks Penman, I didn't wan't to name name's so I just quoted you. Also remeber most pro-wrestlers have amature and even pro-sports back ground. Brock Lesner and Kurt Angle are both university wrestling champions, have won the NCAA wrestling championship (in different weight class's I beleave), and Lesner is a double...2 time...twice over...All American. Kurt Angle of course won the gold in Atlanta for wrestling. The Rock played Foot Ball for the CFL, "Big Cat" Ernie Lad played for the NFL, and Ron Simmons' University (or Colleg ???) jersy was retired a few years back. Bret Hart was the Alberta Amature Wrestling Champion, and Bob Baclund had many Amture wrestling titles as well.
Wrestling is more demanding then any sport, except for maybe boxing. Then again boxers don't have to get tossed around 6-9 times a week (yea more then one match/night some times). You don't have to have carisma to be a boxer (though it helps sell tickets) and wrestlers don't get 3 month breaks to recover (though in japan they give 3 week breaks after a realy big tour).
Jeff Jerrett once said..."For those who beleave no excuse is needed, for those that don't no excuse will ever be good enough." translation, your either a fan or your not. The fact that Wrestling PP/V's bring in millions of $$$, and that arena after arena is filled proves that there are more "beleavers" then "nonbeleavers".
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it's gone down the tubes
between the sex, and all the cheating, and just plain rediculousness it's not even entertaining anymore. this past moday night my kids all left the room to watch something else. when i noticed that i turne dit off. it was just that lousey!
steve
between the sex, and all the cheating, and just plain rediculousness it's not even entertaining anymore. this past moday night my kids all left the room to watch something else. when i noticed that i turne dit off. it was just that lousey!
steve
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WHAT!.....WHAT!.....
Bring Back Austan (WHAT!)...You mean "Stone Cold" (WHAT WHAT)...the Rattle Snake (What)...The Bald Headed (What) Red Neck (What) Woman Beating (what) Man Bitch (WHAT!!!). If anything the WWE is better of with out that punk. With him and the Rock out of the way it oppens up the door for guys whou wouldn't get the spot light. At least it would if HHH wasn't putting it in Steph @SS (WHAT!).
Bring Back Austan (WHAT!)...You mean "Stone Cold" (WHAT WHAT)...the Rattle Snake (What)...The Bald Headed (What) Red Neck (What) Woman Beating (what) Man Bitch (WHAT!!!). If anything the WWE is better of with out that punk. With him and the Rock out of the way it oppens up the door for guys whou wouldn't get the spot light. At least it would if HHH wasn't putting it in Steph @SS (WHAT!).
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Re: WHAT!.....WHAT!.....
I know. 😛 🙄 😀
SlaverTickler said:
I know. 😛 🙄 😀
...you DO know wrestling rings are spring-reinforced, right?
The EWF came to my town many years ago and I had a chance to check out the rings up close. The mat isn't really that solid and you can bounce pretty well on them. These guys don't impact a hard surface when they go flying off the top turnbuckle. In fact, some of the kids who slipped into the ring after the event was over for the night were catching three feet of air on standing jumps before security chased them off.
that's not to say the stuff going on outside the ring isn't more dangerous, but these guys pad their falls just like stuntment or Judoka. That's why most of them wear joint pads. They don't really land on the other wrestler, they land on their knees and elbows to cushion the fall.
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Speaking my mind here, like ForgottenTickler said it is not what it use to be.More show than anything else..sure they have to be in shape but I feel most of what you see is fake!I personally don't like to watch it, but I do 🙂 love to wrestle playfully so with the right person!😉
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