Why should she hate it/nonconsensual?

[BellaRisa]

Hi,

This question is for Dirkman and the other folks who are into nonconsensual material. I would really like to hear your thoughts so I can understand what your needs are. This is NOT (god and mod willing) going to be a thread where people tell you that you're wrong-and btw I honestly don't think you are. But I admit it's not my thing, and I like to know what makes my fellow ticklers tick. 🙂

1)Why is it better for you when the 'lee truly dislikes the tickling?

2)What's the appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days (tickle her for 8 hours, give her water and some rice, tickle her for 11 more hours)?

3) What is your honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-con video and still respect women?

Thanks, all answers will be respected and put to good use!

Bella

 

[evilqueen]

I'm a big fan of nonconsensual fantasy. What appeals to me is the idea that, even though he/she doesn't want to respond, he/she can't help but respond. This is what's at the center of my enjoyment of all nonconsensual fantasy whether it has to do with tickling or other bdsm activity.

This is true for me, and I think it's at the core of what appeals to other noncon fantasy fans, particularly males. Here's why:

A man's reaction to sexual stimuli is impossible to hide, whereas a woman provides few reactions that can be discerned without intimate investigation. A woman screaming and thrashing in response to tickling (or pain) looks and sounds like a woman in the throes of climax. The more she screams and thrashes, the better the man is at getting this reaction from her. If she doesn't want to react, her reaction is even more exciting because it's been forced from her.

I consider tickling a bdsm activity because what I enjoy about it is control - both the giving and the taking. I know this isn't true for everyone, but it's true for me and, I reckon, a lot of others who get off on nonconsensual fantasy.

That's what videos and stories sell, is fantasy. I use videos and stories for masturbation purposes, and that's why I write my stories for others, to give them pleasure. So I know that the longer the victim in the story suffers, the longer the build-up to climax and the better the promise of an explosive orgasm. 😀 That's why victims suffer for hours and days, to exaggerate the erotic nature of their suffering.

I identify with the captor or the captive depending on my mood, and I enjoy forced fantasies between M/F, F/M, F/F, M/M and all multiples therein. If I disrespect either gender, at least I disrespect both. 😉

EQ

 

[ticklovinamy]

fantasy is the only place for non consensual

If you want to be totally helpless you need to trust that the
people you are letting make you that way can be trusted.
If restraints are used it is even more important to know when you have reached your limit you will be respected.
To me that would be the only way I could give up that control and totally enjoy the experiance.
My opinion anyway,
amy

 

[Haltickling]

Well, I'd say I prefer consensual torture, if that makes any sense to you. Like EQ states, control plays an important role in my real life tickling, as well as in my fantasies. Some people like to hand over control, but as ticklovinamy says, mutual trust is crucial for all SM games.

Nevertheless, the whole scenario can well morph into a completely torturous situation, even WITH the ticklee's consent.

I ususally include some n/c aspects in my stories, too, as this increases the SM-erotic effect, but I'd never do that in real life.

Even for videos, I prefer the more playful variety of tickling. I'm quite sure that many of the really ticklish models didn't know how torturous tickling can be, so it's some kind of non-consensual anyway. And in multi-person tickling fights there are always too many hands finding their target, even through avoidance movements. These fights are what I like best in vids.

 

[Dirkman]

Hi,

This question is for Dirkman and the other folks who are into nonconsensual material. I would really like to hear your thoughts so I can understand what your needs are. This is NOT (god and mod willing) going to be a thread where people tell you that you're wrong-and btw I honestly don't think you are. But I admit it's not my thing, and I like to know what makes my fellow ticklers tick. 🙂

1)Why is it better for you when the 'lee truly dislikes the tickling?

2)What's the appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days (tickle her for 8 hours, give her water and some rice, tickle her for 11 more hours)?

3) What is your honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-con video and still respect women?

Thanks, all answers will be respected and put to good use!

Bella

What a beautiful thread. Ok, I'll go.

1. I look at tickling as a feature of S&M. It is the eroticism of dominance, control, and sexual aggression. First there is the bondage aspect. To see a pretty young submissive completely immobile and entirely subject to my control is an amazing rush. To be able to force a reaction and emotion from this submissive beyond their control is even more of a rush. It is the fetish of "taboo" what you're not supposed to do, what is not supposed to be seen, what is not supposed to happen, but it does. To further explain the fascination, to have no control causes fear and fright, but tickling causes laughter. The fight of a submissive who is being tickled against her will to refrain from feelings of laughter given her inner feelings of fear and terror is very arousing. What is greater is when they CAN NOT refrain because of sensitivity to tickling and react hysterically.

Another arousing possibility is defiance. Whan you have this image of the beautiful, bitchy, defiant, strong willed woman... The kind that walks around in a higher cloud then the ordinary world, to have this woman at your hands, tied down to immobility, while she looks at you with her devilish eyes still trying to remain dominant, but then you show her that her dominance ends right where she ends, in her tied up, ticklish feet. How arousing it is when she screams and curses at you but then suddenly, you take on the upper hand. You show her that YOU have the control, and as her defiance and cruel eyes turn to pleads of mercy, the rush spreads.

2. I don't like stories where the tickling goes on for a day. Its overkill and loses eroticism.

3. Ah, the truely controversial one. The brain works in many ways and has many sides to it. I have a temper that can be pretty bad, but I am also very sensitive and loving. The side of me that fantasizes about kidnapping the hot young girl at the office and bringing her to my dungeon (which I don't have) can easily coexist with the side of me that took my girlfriend on a romantic vacation to Paris the other week. Little spirts of these two sides tend to wander to the other side every now and then, but never enough to the point where I would say that I do not respect all women. Overall, the idea here is to seperate the woman, one that is in your dark fantasies, and one that takes a day off from work and stays with you in your bed because you have the flu and she wants to take care of you. To be able to mix these two sides of "woman" in a relationship with the use of role play, safe words, and maturity, is the ultimate goal. You dig?
The Dirk

 

[njjen3953]

I'm a big fan of nonconsensual fantasy. What appeals to me is the idea that, even though he/she doesn't want to respond, he/she can't help but respond. This is what's at the center of my enjoyment of all nonconsensual fantasy whether it has to do with tickling or other bdsm activity.

This is true for me, and I think it's at the core of what appeals to other noncon fantasy fans, particularly males. Here's why:

A man's reaction to sexual stimuli is impossible to hide, whereas a woman provides few reactions that can be discerned without intimate investigation. A woman screaming and thrashing in response to tickling (or pain) looks and sounds like a woman in the throes of climax. The more she screams and thrashes, the better the man is at getting this reaction from her. If she doesn't want to react, her reaction is even more exciting because it's been forced from her.

I consider tickling a bdsm activity because what I enjoy about it is control - both the giving and the taking. I know this isn't true for everyone, but it's true for me and, I reckon, a lot of others who get off on nonconsensual fantasy.

EQ

EQ, I could not agree with you more. Great explination. For me, the initial consent to do the scene is where the apparent consent ends. I call it the consentual, non consentual. If a stranger would see me in a scene, they would likely think this was NOT something that I had agreed to. 😉

Jen

 

[NYCity]

A man's reaction to sexual stimuli is impossible to hide, whereas a woman provides few reactions that can be discerned without intimate investigation. A woman screaming and thrashing in response to tickling (or pain) looks and sounds like a woman in the throes of climax. The more she screams and thrashes, the better the man is at getting this reaction from her. If she doesn't want to react, her reaction is even more exciting because it's been forced from her.
EQ

EQ, I think you've summed it up for me better than anyone ever has, although, I'm not at all into the pain aspects of BDSM (spanking, whipping, etc.) With tickling, you get everything you described, plus laughter and smiling thrown in, which at least leads to the ILLUSION that she is enjoying herself, like an orgasm. Yes, during NC videos, the laughter and smiling often go away, but in fantasy, they remain, alongside all the thrashing.

 

[ticklevids]

here ya go...

>>1)Why is it better for you when the 'lee truly dislikes the tickling? <<

Because the reaction is completely different from a compliant 'lee..

>>2)What's the appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days (tickle her for 8 hours, give her water and some rice, tickle her for 11 more hours)? <<

I don't like those honestly....

>>3) What is your honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-con video and still respect women? <<

apples and oranges.... it's a very naive view of the genre to cross pollinate the idea into 'respect' for women...

I have a few playmates who abso-freakin'-lutely hate being tickled... but they know I'm into it and are getting the best sex of their lives after. No biggie really... it's just another sexual experience. They keep coming back for more... time after time... and they do hate it. I love it. there you go....

and they come back because...

A... They know I'm not a true sadist and would never really hurt them in any lasting way physically. And I abhor pain.

and

B... Even theough they hate it... taken on a whole, it's a truly erotic intense experience.

So I love non consensual... i love it when it's in a sexual context or when it's just with a video that the victim can't stand it.

hope that helps...

 

[BigJim]

Re: here ya go...

>>1)Why is it better for you when the 'lee truly dislikes the tickling? <<

Because the reaction is completely different from a compliant 'lee..

>>2)What's the appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days (tickle her for 8 hours, give her water and some rice, tickle her for 11 more hours)? <<

I don't like those honestly....

>>3) What is your honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-con video and still respect women? <<

apples and oranges.... it's a very naive view of the genre to cross pollinate the idea into 'respect' for women...

I have a few playmates who abso-freakin'-lutely hate being tickled... but they know I'm into it and are getting the best sex of their lives after. No biggie really... it's just another sexual experience. They keep coming back for more... time after time... and they do hate it. I love it. there you go....

and they come back because...

A... They know I'm not a true sadist and would never really hurt them in any lasting way physically. And I abhor pain.

and

B... Even theough they hate it... taken on a whole, it's a truly erotic intense experience.

So I love non consensual... i love it when it's in a sexual context or when it's just with a video that the victim can't stand it.

hope that helps...

Good points there and I'd agree with most of em. Having someone who finds it agonising but won't say uncle is a biggie for me. They know they can end it anytime by just quitting ( ) but they refuse to because they're too defiant. I would however feel really awful if I reduced a girl to true tears of misery because she hated it so much. Tickling for me is about bringing happiness to the heart and if it creates misery then it genuinely upsets me.

 

[BigJim]

1)Why is it better for you when the 'lee truly dislikes the tickling?

2)What's the appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days (tickle her for 8 hours, give her water and some rice, tickle her for 11 more hours)?

3) What is your honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-con video and still respect women?

Thanks, all answers will be respected and put to good use!

Bella

Heya Bella, thought I'd chuck my answers in as well as commenting on the other guys.

1/ It isn't really. I love it when the lee finds it agonising. But on a couple of ladies I've tickled who were built that way, they seemed to deliberatley induce it by being sassy on other occasions. (I have a big thing of answering sassiness with a tickle attack and the ladies I'm refering to, know it well.) They would know what was coming and even though they had their eyes screwed up in ticklish agony, it was still like a game to them because when I say "take it back", the answer is invariably "Never!!" They obviously find it excrutiaing and not necasserily arousing, but they go along with the game anyway. So I guess misery inducing non-con is out, but playful stuff like this isn't.
2/ To be honest, that sort of thing doesn't spin my wheel at all. You can have a story with the same amount of words, but it only occupies about an hour in the space-time continuum. I like a long story, but not a story that lasts a long time. ( 😕 )
3/ I'd agree with them. I might find the idea alluring in fantasy, but the only truly non-con video I saw made me feel sick. I did see Without Consent by TC of course, but it was a lot more playful than PV's effort and much more tasteful.

Hoped my answers helped. 🙂

 

[Myriads]

Thread edited by me. All off topic posts removed. Please stay on the questions raised by the thread starter. If you want to discuss other aspects open a new thread.

Myriads

 

[redway10]

I think the third question, in this case, implies that if you are 'disrespectful' to a woman, or several women, or have disrespectful fantasies, then you are disrespectful to women in general. I think this implication is weak.

Also, having desires to control someone else to fulfill some fantasy does not preclude being respectful to them in most other ways. Many people fantasize about having affairs with their married co-workers (or are married themselves), but this does not make them an adulterer. And even if someone has an affair, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are or want to be a professional homewrecker.

I don't see fantasies about nc-tickling being much different than fantasies about wanting to have sex with people who do not want to have sex with you (maybe the most common fantasy there is among men). I am not talking about rape fantasies, just fantasies about being way better looking or persuasive than you actually are (having power that you currently do not possess).

 

[BellaRisa]

Hi Redway,

Very good points! But I'm asking about REAL nonconsensual fare, not fantasy.

Bella

 

[TickledToDeath]

It is not so much as the tickling being non consensual, but there is an intrigment in seeing/hearing a ticklee in total ticklish hysteria yelling "pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese stop" and meaning it, while the tickling continues as opposed to having the tickler really wanting more and more.
Usuelly the non con tickling is done to those who, for lack of a better term, Deserve it!!! If you know what I mean.


TTD😉

 

[magic fingers]

I have to agree w/Bella. I know some people are into torturous non-consenual tickling, but for me, it's a thousand times more fun, when both 'lee, and 'ler are really enjoying it, and when boundaries are respected. And in case someone thinks this is some phony PC-type response, let me assure you this is honestly the way I feel.

 

[redway10]

Consensual tickling is more about getting a reaction, while non-consensual tickling is more about control.

Obviously, there is a major overlap, but I would definitely put myself in the control camp, the reaction being a result of the control. I think most ticklers are the opposite, drawn by the reaction, with control (of some sort) being required to get the reaction.

 

[Azrael]

BigJim

Good points there and I'd agree with most of em. Having someone who finds it agonising but won't say uncle is a biggie for me. They know they can end it anytime by just quitting ( ) but they refuse to because they're too defiant.

I would however feel really awful if I reduced a girl to true tears of misery because she hated it so much. Tickling for me is about bringing happiness to the heart and if it creates misery then it genuinely upsets me.

Rock on, man, DAMN I'm glad I joined your Yahoo! group now. I've never heard anyone hit with the same opinion as me before quite so accurately.

This is probably just dragging on with what some others are saying, but I'd have to say that while I have non-con fantasies and have occasionally gotten a bit carried away IRL I prefer fully consentual ticklees who like to push their own limits. I use safewords and respect them 100%, and while I like a girl who'd lie there, scream, curse, and refuse to give in, I'd hate to think that I was torturing a 'lee who didn't absolutely love every moment. In the end I don't enjoy anything sexual/sensual if my partner doesn't like it as well, though I will occasionally fall for the "I'll truly, honestly enjoy it because it makes you happy" routine (only occasionally, and I'm inclined to do the same myself; I see nothing wrong with it as a periodic thing). I've known some people who were tickled unwillingly, or who willingly entered into a 'consentual' situation that went beyond consent (gags introduced, time limits or safewords ignored) and were scared, even scarred by it for some time afterward.

Calling something 'torture' and 'controlling' in your own words and then laughing about the effect it has on someone, saying they should be 'stronger' or something like that, is the worst form of blind sadism.

I enjoy control to an extent, I also enjoy giving it up as a 'Lee. I don't understand how some people feel that consentual tickling is not about control. If a person is tied up and screeching because you're torturing them, you're in control. They can stop it at any time by giving in, but again, a really 'saucy' 'Lee may be too stubborn to do so; after a fashion the 'Ler is still in control; your 'victim' won't do it because you're trying to get them to, it's a playful torture form. Irregardless... if your 'Lee can't stop you, then it's a one-sided thing. Tickling an unwilling 'Lee is like masturbating on her face with her mouth jacked open; it's all about self-gratification at another person's expense.

 

[Novus]

Non-consentual tickling

For me the non-consentual type of tickling predates all other forms of tickling. I must have been born with it in me because as far back as I can remember I would when the chance arose non-consentual tickle torture my childhood friends and cousins. This tickling had nothing to do with sex and I tickled both boys and girls. I was also on the receiving end once. The experiance was lifechanging. It can hardly be explained when you are placed in a ticklish situation. When fun turns to panic and then when it finally stops and you are unhurt the rush gives you natural high. This is something that never would have happened consentually.

These experiances shaped my non-consentual fantasies as an adult. A good non-consentual fantasy is one where a very ticklish woman finds herself by hook or crook placed into very ticklish situation. She ends up hating every second of it and when it is over she is a changed person. If tickling were a religion this would be its' baptism. Usually the lee is changed for the better either by growing to like it or learning how much they truely hate it. Life is not perfect and things do go wrong, this is the way it is. In a way the non-consentual fantasies are mirror immage of who we are. We get tickled, we change, and now we want to try to convert others.

Now to answer the questions:

1. It better for me when the ticklee truly dislikes the tickling because the tickling is a trial that they must go through to reach the natural high. If the trial is meaningless then the goal is meaningless. In consentual types of tickling there is no goal and both the lee and ler are unchanged.

2. The appeal of the stories where the tickling goes on for hours and days is just an natural extension of the long difficult trial. I wrote a 100 page story where the ticklee gets tickled for 91 days. In the begining she is a scared young woman who fears her own shawdow but in the end she grows and becomes stronger.

3. My honest answer to those who say you can't desire a truly non-consentual video and still respect women is that I respect their opinions. But let me say that not just any woman can be tickled non-consentually. In fantasy the tickling is often about breaking down mental barriers. In almost every fantasy there is discriptions of the ticklee's body betraying them and giving them pleasure when in their mind there is nothing but fear and panic. This is something that cannot be done in a video. I too would never buy a NC video for this reason. The best videos are ones were the model does not understand what tickling really is but in the end changes and you can really see the transformation on video.

 

[BellaRisa]

On topic, PLEASE

Guys, I'm beggin' ya: if you aren't into TRUE nonconsensual material, this isn't the thread for you. I respect your opinions and in many cases agree with you, but please-not here, okie? Thanks!🙂

Bella

 

[Myriads]

Once again I've edited out all the non topic posts. Keep it focused like bella asked folks.

Myriads

 

[Dave2112]

Ok, staying on topic here, let me first say this will be quite an admission to you as it was to myself when it hit me and I wrapped my brain around the reality. Without going off into things others have said, let me just quickly say that I'm with a lot of folks who like Non-consensual fantasy, but would never actually force someone against thier will.

However...

If, hypothetically, I were to somehow gain possesion of a videotape or some such thing that showed a real-life non-consensual scene, I can't honestly say I wouldn't watch it. Yeah, I'd probably look into where it came from and cooperate with authorities on finding those who made it...but I'd watch it first. Not because I really want to see someone tormented against their will or some such Freudian explanation, but out of a sense of morbid curiosity.

As most of you know, I've written a ton of material that centers around torment/NC themes. Those of you who purchased my artwork know that my themes are rather dark. For people who create these sort of things, a true NC scene is kind of like a Holy Grail. Not to actually do, but to witness. Sort of like the ultimate inspiration/dose of reality with which to create deeper and better fantasy. You know, just to see. It's like Stephen King going around to morgues to better explain death...that sort of thing.

Most of you probably get my meaning, those that don't...rest assured that I haven't snapped and decided to kidnap anyone or some shit like that. But to see one happen?...kinda tempting, if only from a research standpoint.

 

[mrhm53755]

The way I like to tickle is not well accepted by the majority of this "group" but I don't really care. I will never attend any nest, gathering, etc. I tickle for MY own pleasure period. I don't ask her if I can tickle her. I just do it cause I feel like it. Frankly I have a lot more fun when the person I am tickling hates it and can't stand it. Like I said I tickle for MY pleasure. I have tied up more than a few women under the pretext of something else only to see that look on her face when I ask her the question that I already know the answer to. To tickle someone that likes it just doesn't cut it for me. The ones that have actually told me that they liked to be tickled bored me within seconds cause they just aren't ticklish enough for me. I don't tickle to tease. I tickle for torture. As long as she is laughing she can expect to be tickled. If she happens to cry or pee then I will stop. But not before then or "I" have had enough.

 

[Dirkman]

The way I like to tickle is not well accepted by the majority of this "group" but I don't really care. I will never attend any nest, gathering, etc. I tickle for MY own pleasure period. I don't ask her if I can tickle her. I just do it cause I feel like it. Frankly I have a lot more fun when the person I am tickling hates it and can't stand it. Like I said I tickle for MY pleasure. I have tied up more than a few women under the pretext of something else only to see that look on her face when I ask her the question that I already know the answer to. To tickle someone that likes it just doesn't cut it for me. The ones that have actually told me that they liked to be tickled bored me within seconds cause they just aren't ticklish enough for me. I don't tickle to tease. I tickle for torture. As long as she is laughing she can expect to be tickled. If she happens to cry or pee then I will stop. But not before then or "I" have had enough.

Its amazing what brilliance one can expose through pure honesty. I couldn't agree more that tickling someone who loves to be tickled is BORING. I think that many of us when we first thought of tickling thought about some sort of nonconsensual situation, I know I did.
The Dirk

 

[confessor]

I have to agree with mrhm53755. I find it very boring when the girl enjoys being tickled. Growing up, tickling was all about doing something to someone that they really didn't want done. I never had a childhood friend say, "please tickle me more". It was always, "please stop". In other words, I always saw it as a kind of torture, albeit mild torture where no one really got hurt. I also agree that girls who like being tickled, generally are not very ticklish (or at least do not react strongly enough for my tastes).

My favorite girlfriends have been very ticklish girls, who all thought of tickling as a kind of torture. The fact that they saw it that way really turned me on. They could handle it in small doses without seeing me as a mean sadistic bastard. But I could never bring myself to tickle them to tears, because I loved them. However, I did enjoy giving them short tickles that were quite torturous for them, and hearing them beg, "no, oh God, please, stop, quit it". So long as I gave them plenty of breaks, and rubbed their precious little feet in between, they would let me go on for hours. I guess these encounters were semi-nonconsensual, because they never gave me explicit permission to tickle them, and if they had their preference, they would rather not be tickled at all.

For me, its really important that the girl hates being tickled. Even if she grudingly puts up with it, it gives me that sense of nonconsensual tickle torture that I need to be fulfilled. It brings back memories of childhood and what tickling was supposed to be: a kind of torture. When the girl enjoys it, doesn't beg, and utters half-hearted "he,he,he's", it just doesn't feel real enough for me. There has to be an element of fear, an element of "Oh my God, please don't do this to me, you don't understand, it's torture!" So long as that is present, I can meet my needs without pushing the poor girl too far. After all, I don't relish truly torturing someone I care about. I guess I am not sadistic enough for that.

As for true nonconsensual tickle torture, I am all for it, but in reasonable doses. I loved seeing girls tickle tortured against their will growing up, but I always felt bad when it went too far (making them cry). A little nonconsensual tickling can be torture enough. If a girl can handle an hour of nonconsenual tickle torture, I say go for it. However, if, after the tickling, she cries her eyes out and needs to be held because she feels violated, it would kind of ruin it for me.

 

[Novus]

Preference for nonconsensual

I have to agree with mrhm53755. I find it very boring when the girl enjoys being tickled. Growing up, tickling was all about doing something to someone that they really didn't want done. I never had a childhood friend say, "please tickle me more". It was always, "please stop". In other words, I always saw it as a kind of torture, albeit mild torture where no one really got hurt. I also agree that girls who like being tickled, generally are not very ticklish (or at least do not react strongly enough for my tastes).

My favorite girlfriends have been very ticklish girls, who all thought of tickling as a kind of torture. The fact that they saw it that way really turned me on. They could handle it in small doses without seeing me as a mean sadistic bastard. But I could never bring myself to tickle them to tears, because I loved them. However, I did enjoy giving them short tickles that were quite torturous for them, and hearing them beg, "no, oh God, please, stop, quit it". So long as I gave them plenty of breaks, and rubbed their precious little feet in between, they would let me go on for hours. I guess these encounters were semi-nonconsensual, because they never gave me explicit permission to tickle them, and if they had their preference, they would rather not be tickled at all.

For me, its really important that the girl hates being tickled. Even if she grudingly puts up with it, it gives me that sense of nonconsensual tickle torture that I need to be fulfilled. It brings back memories of childhood and what tickling was supposed to be: a kind of torture. When the girl enjoys it, doesn't beg, and utters half-hearted "he,he,he's", it just doesn't feel real enough for me. There has to be an element of fear, an element of "Oh my God, please don't do this to me, you don't understand, it's torture!" So long as that is present, I can meet my needs without pushing the poor girl too far. After all, I don't relish truly torturing someone I care about. I guess I am not sadistic enough for that.

As for true nonconsensual tickle torture, I am all for it, but in reasonable doses. I loved seeing girls tickle tortured against their will growing up, but I always felt bad when it went too far (making them cry). A little nonconsensual tickling can be torture enough. If a girl can handle an hour of nonconsenual tickle torture, I say go for it. However, if, after the tickling, she cries her eyes out and needs to be held because she feels violated, it would kind of ruin it for me.

This mirrors my beliefs almost exactly. Childhood tickling was always non-consensual torture. Now I want to relive that kind of tickling with girlfriends who hate it but begrudgingly accept it. The best senerio would be with a girlfriend who has a love-hate relationship with tickling just like I do. They really hate it but somehow they keep letting you push them all the way to their limits.

As for the non-consensual tickle torture, I saw lots of people tickled against their will. In highschool I witnessed over 400 ticklings and all of them were non-consensual. Only a few times was the ticklee ever brought to tears and that was not all that good to see. I just like hear people laugh and if they end up crying then it is ruined. I really do not see anything wrong with non-consensually forcing people to laugh with tickling.