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WTC...09/11/01..tribute...

venray

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A friend of mine who lost someone dear to him on 9/11 sent me the link to a tribute that a New Yorker put together.....

A warning...If you wish to put the events of this incident behind you and "move on" as some have suggested in previous discussions, then do not view this. Upon watching this presentation you will relive the horror, witness the heroism. and become angry all over again.

If you think we should "get over it" as some have suggested, view this to see why we SHOULD NOT. We must NEVER forget those who perished...We must never again become so complacent and comfortable that we allow anything like this to happen ever again anywhere in the civilized world.

The presentation takes a few minutes to load..a few more minutes to play through...The sites and sounds are extremly disturbing...as they should be..............

Thanks for your time.....

Ray

http://www.seaworthysys.com/wtc/
 
thanks for posting Ven...someone did a good job of putting that together..
 
Ven,
Thank You for sharing that.
I, personally, agree with you.

The problems with getting over our country's worst catastophe before even a year has passed, is that it insults those who died and it implies we have no resolve.

Until at least the physical scars are past, we should remember.

Forgetting now, doesn't even allow for one single day of mourning for each life lost! How pathetic for some to say, "Get over it." Respect is a lost cause on some. Thank you for reminding us that not all of us have hearts of stone.

Joby
 
WOW! That was VERY well done! Personally, I don't think I'll ever get over it...and hope that I NEVER forget. Though I don't agree with those who say otherwise, I also understand that a part of the death/grieving process is that anger and denial that demands that we not look at the loss. So, I won't judge.

Ann
 
Towards the end when they are showing individuals..you will see a girl with brown hair, glasses, and a dark dress with a floral print...

That was Amy, the sister of a good friend who was to have been married this past April.....




Ray
 
Uh...

Nice website, very poignant.
But for the record I never said get over it. I , more than anyone here , know the meaning of defending this country. I love this country. I've defended it and have been in places most in here couldn't imagine. And I've been in some of those places within the last year.
What I said was quit whining about it. The loss of life was regretable, I agree. I feel for the families. But I do not view anyone as being a hero. Those Firemen and policemen who died did so in the line of duty. They knew the risks when they took the job. It's regretable and sad that they died, but they took an oath to do so if needed, Their actions were heroic, but they are not heros.
A 17 year old boy who enters a burning car to save a baby is a hero. He's not getting paid for it, yet he risked his life. Any person in the WTC who helped another escape (like the people who helped the guy in the wheelchair) are heros. They didn't have to do so. They were not paid. Every Fireman, cop, Soldier, Sailor takes an oath, If they die in the line of duty they've held their oath. No more, no less. Sorry if that seems rather hard, but that is how I feel. Had I died defending this country I would not have viewed myself as a hero. It's what I swore to do when I entered the military.
So never even try to imply that I feel we should get over it. In fact we should have started nuking Mid Eastern cities. I regret we didn't. I firmly believe the price of 1 American Life is 10000 foreign lives. MINIMUM. I also believe we should stay in that region and fight until no one is left standing. We won't, but we should. By my count over 3,000,000 Middle Easterners should be nuclear waste by now. Again I'm not geting over it. But I do not in anyway feel New Yorkers are special, or any braver than the average American. They aren't. I also think Gulianni is an idiot. Always has been, always will be. The country felt it needed a hero, Guliani put a fae on disaster. If you want the real image you should take away it's Bush, walking across the White House Lawn, undaunted, defiant, and looking 20 years older than he did the day before. Thats the image I'll always take away, not that of some two bit piss ant mayor.


Be Safe

Tron
 
Tron....I agree with your comments about Bush. He obviously told his political advisors to go to hell and showed us what he was really made of after the attacks. I think he's done a good job...though I agree that more could be done. AFA Guliani, I think the fact that he was right there with them going through it added to the image. I know I personally gained a new respect for him. I wouldn't say that I idolize him or anything like that. But, he too showed us a better man than we'd seen before. I think we saw that in large and small scenes across the country in response to this tragedy. They just didn't all have their faces plastered on tv.

Ann
 
Tron..for the record.. I NEVER said that YOU did.....

My post was a generalization of mixed comments I have seen posted from many in the chat room and in other threads and directed at no one in particular...hope I did not offend you personally.....

and for the record..had you died defending this country I WOULD have considered you a hero.....Oath or not,to put one's life on the line for the well being of others makes one a hero in my book...Difference of opinions make the world go round......😎

Ven
 
Tron...am I mistaken, or are you implying that upon becoming a fireman, police officer, or soldier, you are not fit for the title of "Hero"?? Just because you're sworn to duty doesn't mean that performing a heroic act doesn't make you a hero.

Arguably, the 17 year old you mention in your example of heroism would certianly understand the risk of saving a child, and would understand his own life is at stake. I agree, this makes him a hero, but I also believe every fireman and police officer who directly risked their lives trying to help people on Sept 11 is a hero as well.

I think that the term "hero" should not be used lightly, and it may seem that were are deeming too many people "heros". I presume that this is part of your argument. That was a weird fucking day. Many many people died, but many many others stepped up to the plate and in my humbe opinion, earned the title "Hero".

Also, just because you get paid doesn't mean you're risking any less. People do those jobs because they want to help people. In fact, I'm sure they could all care less whether or not any of us regard them as heros. Even if they weren't firemen, they're the same person they'd be if they were firemen. It's not like Jimmy Dipshit joins the Firemen and instantly becomes a hero, or is instantly willing to risk his life in a situation as intense as 9/11, just because he is getting paid to do so. People join because they want to, getting paid is just a perk. May I add that many of the firemen were volunteers. These guys wouldn't accept payment for their job if you forced it down their throats. Hope that's at least food for thought.
 
To the person who said all those firemen, cops and rescue workers are not "heroes"...I agree with you. They're not heroes...they're saints.

Every single one of them. I don't give a rat's ass how much they get paid. These are men and women, most who probably had families of their own, who put complete strangers' lives and safety above their own. They gave their lives helping others. That's a saint. No two ways about it.

These people responded with hope and courage when Demons from Hell visited Earth. (Too dramatic? Maybe, but I'm not sure what else to call these faceless cowards who kill innocents for....for...um, what exactly is their cause again? Oh, right, because we're different from them.)

And by the way...if this tragedy had happened in the middle of Nebraska, with thousands murdered by cowards, I would still feel the same outrage. So, maybe you've got a point. Maybe we shouldn't be putting New Yorkers on some 'heroic' pedestal...or maybe we're insane not to. It happened in New York, and citizens of New York came together. Nice job, New York. If it had been elsewhere, I hpe that 'elsewhere' would have responded in the same manner.

I just hope that all this 'bonding and togetherness' and all this good stuff can last. I hope new York can become a very friendly, united place, where goodness reigns. And hey, what the heck, why not let the rest of the country follow suit. And hey, sicne we're on the subject, why not the world? (It don't get much more sappy than this, I agree, but to me, this is the only path I know how to follow...the other choice is to turn the Middle East into a parking lot, but I refuse to be filled with some kind of murderous rage for the rest of my life.)

Don't worry, Hell is a real place and when these cowards get there, well....justice will be finally be served. (If it's not served before then by our brave men and women in the armed forces....also saints, by the way.)

Thanks for letting me rant.

P.S. I loved that shot in the video of the fireman handing the flag to the Army guy, and the Army guy is saying "I'll take it from here."
 
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