A SHORT(ISH) GUIDE TO PRODUCING
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I had a thread but unfortunately some people had to derail it, so I'll rewrite it here but condensed with the meat and potatoes.
I have a LOT of people who ask me about producing so here is my (probably not short) reply.
First, i get called ‘lucky’ a lot. It isn’t luck. I don’t say that pissy, understand. Thing is, it is anything BUT luck, its a metric shit-ton of work.
THE ABSOLUTE MUST READ PART (aka if you only read one section let it be this):
Do not confuse a shoot with a session. If you’re only wanting to do this as ‘playtime’, you don’t need to be doing this. Period. Is it fun? Well sure, it is. But there is a vast difference between shoot time and session time. It’s a different mental space. I never get aroused during a shoot because my mind is thinking not only about what I'm doing (which would be the arousal part normally) but also what the audience is seeing. I’m also thinking about the safety of the model I’m working with. If she's going through too much and the intensity seems to be ramping, I have to consider backing off, even if that means a full stop.
It’s also a good time to give her a break, whatever that looks like. Swapping tools, slowing down, pausing to talk trash. Whatever. Point is, I’m thinking about the audience and the model primarily. I dont have to do this with my wife, because I KNOW her. She’s easy to read.
With a model it may be a first time, or even if not, it still isnt someone I’m intimate with, and so there is a higher need to pay attention.
The other problem if you cannot recognize the difference, is that you come off creepy. Like, REALLY creepy. If a girl is there to work (in this case be bound and tickled) let THAT be the thing. If this is a segue in your mind to get laid….ugh. No. If this is a method for you to get your rocks off, also no. Big no. It’s scary (and potentially dangerous) enough as is for a girl who doesn’t know you to be put in this position, don’t you think? Now imagine the ler/dom/rigger getting aroused and you CAN’T move. See where I’m going? You want the model to have a GOOD experience. That leads to a good name, that leads to more models and now you also have a return model (potentially at least).
I can unfortunately name (though I won’t, I’m not about to get into a mud slinging contest) some that have gotten carried away probably due to arousal/excitement, and its just a shitty way to behave. Trash takes itself out, so they likely won’t last or grow.
One story involves a guy who decided to stick his fingers in a girl while she was bound, and that certainly wasn’t part of the shoot. That's absolutely sexual assault.
Another story involves a certain ler who I absolutely refuse to ever interact with now, who was a session guy and to save money, crossed over into producing. Surprise surprise, he has crossed several girls limits. They’ll be calling ‘red’ (full stop) yet he doesnt. In one case he even jumped on the girl. These aren’t stories I’ve witnessed however I’ve had multiple girls tell me these same stories about this guy. So piss on him. Don’t be him.
Girls, VET the guys you’re thinking on working with. And not just one or two people. One or two may have had an issue with a producer and theyre deciding to trash him, so multiples are a good idea. Or the opposite, they may be friends with the producer and deciding to help him out with positive feedback.
Guys, VET the girls. I’ve had more than a couple who ended up being a negative experience. Thankfully out of roughly 80 at this point its only been three that I can think of, one I’ve patched things up with but two of the three were not pro level models and couldn’t differentiate shoot from session. Thats an issue for the talent as well as the producer.
So, ASK for several references or even better go through their twitter (best place) timeline and see who all they’ve worked with.
AND THEN
You need a concept. Consider a simple bondage studio. If you try to open a ‘guy ties up girl’ biz, you’re only likely to have limited success. There are thousands of guys good with rope. Worse, there’s hundreds out there already established. Will you have a measure of success? Maybe. But what will make YOU stand out? Why does someone look your way since so many are already out there and established? You need some sort of angle.
ALSO REALIZE
Being new you will get taken advantage of. Or at least the attempt will be there. Some models will play the clock game, knowing that they’re hourly then go take forever in the bathroom looking for an easy payday. Or, they’ll negotiate ‘x’ then show up and want to downplay what they agreed to. Understand consent CAN be revoked at any point, but also understand you have the right to stop the shoot if they shirk their agreement. It will suck that you already paid travel (wait what?! Yeah I’ll get to that) but they’ll walk away with nothing or very little also. No one wants that.
On the flip side, if you’re producing you can’t be a slave driver and not give them breaks because they’re on the clock. This stuff isn’t easy.
A reasonable amount of time (you can negotiate this of course) hourly to stop for whatever reason, is something needed.
MONEY
This isn’t cheap. The models aren’t doing this for free. You can't expect them to pay to come to you, what would they make? Their money would be gone in travel and stay. So offer to pay both travel and hotel. That's on top of their fee. See how quickly this adds up? Add in supplies.
MARKETING
I hustle my ass off. If you’re lazy and don’t want to do all the talk, posting updates, and chasing talent, then don’t expect much in return. I work harder at this than I do my ‘vanilla’ job, by far.
PROFIT
If you didn’t know, the paysite hosts do charge a hefty percentage to host your clips. Anywhere from 20 to 40 percent. Ouch. Currently it seems like Gumroad is the best deal at 10. BUT, how long will they last before they get the ban hammer potentially dropped on them? It happened to Patreon, it can happen to GR.
Most of us hate Clip4Sale but currently it has the most eyeballs on it unfortunately. They take 40. Again, ouch.
Which leads me to…
PIRACY
You may think its cute, but when you STEAL from a very small business it HURTS. Most won’t care. You can see evidence of this all over subs/forums where they’ll continually ask where they can ‘find’ this clip. They don’t mean to purchase it, they mean to view it, free, against your wishes. They won’t spend the 10 to 15 (in most cases with me) dollars to support you and keep your studio going. People are greedy and suck, its human nature.
CLEANLINESS
Don’t be gross. Your workspace, your materials, your person. No model wants to work around that. It’s unhealthy and disgusting. I have had a difficult workspace at times (warmth) but its never been gross. I wash my ropes, spray down any thing that touches a body. It’s what you should do.
There it is. There’s my ‘short’ spiel.
I’m not ‘lucky’. And if you pursue this route you will realize that.
Hope this helps!
Fettishvids.com
Fettishvids.com
I had a thread but unfortunately some people had to derail it, so I'll rewrite it here but condensed with the meat and potatoes.
I have a LOT of people who ask me about producing so here is my (probably not short) reply.
First, i get called ‘lucky’ a lot. It isn’t luck. I don’t say that pissy, understand. Thing is, it is anything BUT luck, its a metric shit-ton of work.
THE ABSOLUTE MUST READ PART (aka if you only read one section let it be this):
Do not confuse a shoot with a session. If you’re only wanting to do this as ‘playtime’, you don’t need to be doing this. Period. Is it fun? Well sure, it is. But there is a vast difference between shoot time and session time. It’s a different mental space. I never get aroused during a shoot because my mind is thinking not only about what I'm doing (which would be the arousal part normally) but also what the audience is seeing. I’m also thinking about the safety of the model I’m working with. If she's going through too much and the intensity seems to be ramping, I have to consider backing off, even if that means a full stop.
It’s also a good time to give her a break, whatever that looks like. Swapping tools, slowing down, pausing to talk trash. Whatever. Point is, I’m thinking about the audience and the model primarily. I dont have to do this with my wife, because I KNOW her. She’s easy to read.
With a model it may be a first time, or even if not, it still isnt someone I’m intimate with, and so there is a higher need to pay attention.
The other problem if you cannot recognize the difference, is that you come off creepy. Like, REALLY creepy. If a girl is there to work (in this case be bound and tickled) let THAT be the thing. If this is a segue in your mind to get laid….ugh. No. If this is a method for you to get your rocks off, also no. Big no. It’s scary (and potentially dangerous) enough as is for a girl who doesn’t know you to be put in this position, don’t you think? Now imagine the ler/dom/rigger getting aroused and you CAN’T move. See where I’m going? You want the model to have a GOOD experience. That leads to a good name, that leads to more models and now you also have a return model (potentially at least).
I can unfortunately name (though I won’t, I’m not about to get into a mud slinging contest) some that have gotten carried away probably due to arousal/excitement, and its just a shitty way to behave. Trash takes itself out, so they likely won’t last or grow.
One story involves a guy who decided to stick his fingers in a girl while she was bound, and that certainly wasn’t part of the shoot. That's absolutely sexual assault.
Another story involves a certain ler who I absolutely refuse to ever interact with now, who was a session guy and to save money, crossed over into producing. Surprise surprise, he has crossed several girls limits. They’ll be calling ‘red’ (full stop) yet he doesnt. In one case he even jumped on the girl. These aren’t stories I’ve witnessed however I’ve had multiple girls tell me these same stories about this guy. So piss on him. Don’t be him.
Girls, VET the guys you’re thinking on working with. And not just one or two people. One or two may have had an issue with a producer and theyre deciding to trash him, so multiples are a good idea. Or the opposite, they may be friends with the producer and deciding to help him out with positive feedback.
Guys, VET the girls. I’ve had more than a couple who ended up being a negative experience. Thankfully out of roughly 80 at this point its only been three that I can think of, one I’ve patched things up with but two of the three were not pro level models and couldn’t differentiate shoot from session. Thats an issue for the talent as well as the producer.
So, ASK for several references or even better go through their twitter (best place) timeline and see who all they’ve worked with.
AND THEN
You need a concept. Consider a simple bondage studio. If you try to open a ‘guy ties up girl’ biz, you’re only likely to have limited success. There are thousands of guys good with rope. Worse, there’s hundreds out there already established. Will you have a measure of success? Maybe. But what will make YOU stand out? Why does someone look your way since so many are already out there and established? You need some sort of angle.
ALSO REALIZE
Being new you will get taken advantage of. Or at least the attempt will be there. Some models will play the clock game, knowing that they’re hourly then go take forever in the bathroom looking for an easy payday. Or, they’ll negotiate ‘x’ then show up and want to downplay what they agreed to. Understand consent CAN be revoked at any point, but also understand you have the right to stop the shoot if they shirk their agreement. It will suck that you already paid travel (wait what?! Yeah I’ll get to that) but they’ll walk away with nothing or very little also. No one wants that.
On the flip side, if you’re producing you can’t be a slave driver and not give them breaks because they’re on the clock. This stuff isn’t easy.
A reasonable amount of time (you can negotiate this of course) hourly to stop for whatever reason, is something needed.
MONEY
This isn’t cheap. The models aren’t doing this for free. You can't expect them to pay to come to you, what would they make? Their money would be gone in travel and stay. So offer to pay both travel and hotel. That's on top of their fee. See how quickly this adds up? Add in supplies.
MARKETING
I hustle my ass off. If you’re lazy and don’t want to do all the talk, posting updates, and chasing talent, then don’t expect much in return. I work harder at this than I do my ‘vanilla’ job, by far.
PROFIT
If you didn’t know, the paysite hosts do charge a hefty percentage to host your clips. Anywhere from 20 to 40 percent. Ouch. Currently it seems like Gumroad is the best deal at 10. BUT, how long will they last before they get the ban hammer potentially dropped on them? It happened to Patreon, it can happen to GR.
Most of us hate Clip4Sale but currently it has the most eyeballs on it unfortunately. They take 40. Again, ouch.
Which leads me to…
PIRACY
You may think its cute, but when you STEAL from a very small business it HURTS. Most won’t care. You can see evidence of this all over subs/forums where they’ll continually ask where they can ‘find’ this clip. They don’t mean to purchase it, they mean to view it, free, against your wishes. They won’t spend the 10 to 15 (in most cases with me) dollars to support you and keep your studio going. People are greedy and suck, its human nature.
CLEANLINESS
Don’t be gross. Your workspace, your materials, your person. No model wants to work around that. It’s unhealthy and disgusting. I have had a difficult workspace at times (warmth) but its never been gross. I wash my ropes, spray down any thing that touches a body. It’s what you should do.
There it is. There’s my ‘short’ spiel.
I’m not ‘lucky’. And if you pursue this route you will realize that.
Hope this helps!
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