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Bill Cosby Mounting Sexual Assault Allegations.. Thoughts?

Mitch, the problem with what you're saying is that it inadvertently advocates historical revisionism.

If the allegations are true, then Bill Cosby has been a sexual predator and a comedy icon for over 50 years; until now, we've only known about half of it. In that time of ignorance, Cosby's influence has been virtually immeasurable, and the quality of his work still stands. That cannot be undone by a new revelation about what he is and what he has done. Now it CAN alter the historical perspective of the man from now on, but it cannot retroactively undo the influence and impact he has.

The TV conglomerates have removed and cancelled Cosby's content to avoid controversy; they don't want to be seen as advocating what he did--which is preposterous because corporations don't have opinions...they're bad for business because opinions can alienate consumers. They have not taken the content down as part of an activist cause to deliberately eliminate Cosby from the record in order to shame him for what he has allegedly done. And the advocating of doing so for a moralistic purpose is dangerous.

We can't just say "Ooop, George Washington, our first president and one of the Founding Fathers owned slaves so we all have to hate him now and stop reading books about him, or having his picture out in public, or referring to him by name otherwise we advocate what he did."

Altering the historical record to reflect current political and cultural outrage is a losing proposition because you do serious damage to the long-term perspective of a temporal point. People in the future need accurate information--both objective and subjective--to gain a comprehensive understanding of a time period they are studying, otherwise it comes off as heavily one-sided and it can affect interpretation. Most of our misconceptions of history come from having deliberately biased records of the time period that prevent us from separating fact from fiction. We should know better than to attempt the same just to make a moral position that is largely unnecessary.

Cosby's personal image has been irreparably damaged, even crippled, regardless of whether he did it or not. Even if he's innocent, there will always be doubt, and his biography will carry the scar of this. There is no need of an active effort by corporations or the culture to destroy, rescind, or alter the record. You could play The Cosby Show today and tomorrow and the day after with the same regularity as before the allegations and it won't restore what was lost. The historical record and the pop culture memory will make sure of it. But canceling the propagation of his work for consumption and study for a short-term burst of righteous indignation only serves to hurt everyone in the longterm.

Support for Cosby or others scandalized by similar suits is dependent on the individual: if you want to spend your money on him, it's up to you; if you don't, you don't. But support is not immediately equal to endorsement. The allegations indicate that Cosby was doing this before he had vast wealth (as far back as 1966 allegedly), so it is unlikely that your money, my money, anybody's money was contributing to his rape of young women. Now, an organization like Chick-Fil-A that uses its commercial profits to finance anti-gay legislation, is a different story because there IS a direct connection between the monetary support of the consumer and the questionable activities of the offender in question.

Boycotts are designed to hinder an offender's ability to commit unjust practices using community, collective, or otherwise opposed people's money. In the time since the Civil Rights Movement, the action has been seen in the context of the moral cause of the activists and seen as a moral objection, with the practical aspect largely lost. Boycotting segregated buses was designed to prevent the bus companies from committing segregation with fare money from unassuming or desperate integrationist passengers; consumer reporting merged with political activism, if you will. The moral indignation was the vehicle for the information, but not the whole point.

Watching The Cosby Show on TV, VHS, DVD, or YouTube will not be financing Cosby's rape-a-thon and it does not make the viewer an active participant in any rapey activities. The viewer is not passively complicit in rape. That moral distinction lies with Cosby and Cosby alone.

The statute of limitations for aggravated rape is like 15 years, so aside from fame and ruining cosbys life, I dont think theres much else to gain - chicago

To an extent, that might be a good thing. Justice is noble, but vengeance is less so. What we all have to be careful of in this type of field is turning the legal system into a weapon that can be used to prosecute offenses in perpetuity indifferently of circumstances. There comes a point where vigilance can lose its sensible nature and become persecution. For example, Piper Kerman, the writer of Orange Is The New Black, was arrested 10 years after a single felony offense of drug trafficking was committed, and not even at her behest. She never repeated the offense, went on with her life and was a straight law-abiding citizen the entire length of time between the offense and when she was arrested. At some point, the question has to be asked "is it worth taking an honest functional person out of society and punishing them for a long-ago-committed crime for no other reason that to balance the books?" At what point does prosecution swerve from justice to pique?

This is the thing people need to be careful of when chasing emotionally charged cases such as this.
 
Because this stuff supposedly happened so long ago, I doubt we'll see any lawsuits.

So the next best thing they can accomplish is smearing his name, and maybe getting some money out of this.
 
Amn makes a good point, and I have to agree with you, Amn, when you present it in that way.

You mentioned George Washington owning slaves. I have an even more profound person for you.. Abe Lincoln. I wrote my senior thesis on Lincoln's views about race and slavery.. so I know something about this.

Every professor in college who I had, used to say about Lincoln. "Abraham Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist". Lincoln's view, at first, was not to expand slavery. It was not until he issued "The Emancipation Proclamation" more than halfway into the Civil War, in 1863, that Lincoln realized slavery had to end for the country to reunite. Essentially, Abe Lincoln was a hypocrite.. At first he didn't want slavery to end.. he just wanted to prevent it from expanding , and it wasn't until much later, partially to anger the South, that he decided it had to end. Yet, Lincoln';s place in history is profound.. He didn't at first want slavery to end, yet he's credited as the man who helped reunite the country after the Civil War, and who ended slavery. Additionally, Lincoln decided that all who committed "Treason" by fighting against the US, were to be pardoned.

I'll say this, getting back to Cosby..

He had a good TV show, and has had influence. However, whatever that influence was.. and whether he can ever be charged or not.. I think everyone knows,.. that people's views of him have changed forever, and.. I don't think he will have said influence.. or be viewed so favorably from now on.
 
A new story at

www.usatoday.com tells of "New Accusers" of Bill Cosby, that include the wife of the former Incredible Hulk, Lou Ferrigno.

It seems like everyone and their sister is accusing Cosby of something.

This tells me one of two things. A. Either Cosby was a serial, pathological rapist.. or.. B.. He might have done something to someone, and then many other people saw this as an opportunity to get monetary settlements from an extremely wealthy celebrity, and thus decided to fabricate encounters with Cosby that may not be true. .
 
It's a shame that it won't go to court. Not that it's 100% effective but a legal case might bring out the truth.
 
Just cuz the dude was warm and fuzzy on TV doesn't mean he is in real life, which is why they call it ACTING. It's not like these accusations just came out of nowhere. This has been in the public arena for years. And as for the "why wait til now?" crowd, I invite you to consider that these women are describing traumatic experiences. People deal with trauma in all kinds of ways, and even if they were ready to share what happened, the stigma, scrutiny, and incredulity that await women who make public their abuse can be intimidating (to say the least). It's easy to fall back on "innocent until proven guilty." Either all of these people are liars, or we're siding with a rapist because his television program made us feel good.
 
What mugwump said is true about a TV character not being like the real life guy. Three cases in point that I can think of.

The late Larry Hagman, played a guy who was a mean spirited womanizer on TV. In real life, was supposedly a wonderful person, who never cheated on his wife.

Carroll O Connor, played the bigoted Archie Bunker on TV. In real life, was supposedly an educated, liberal, wonderful guy.

David Soul.. played the loverboy Hutch who was wonderful to women on TV., In real life was a wife abuser, who has been married and divorced at least four times.

Characters on TV are not like real life. It doesn't matter that Cosby played the wonderful family guy on the Cosby Show. That was a TV character. Apparently his real life persona is quite different from that.
 
Now at www.usatoday.com.. since my last post about "New accusers", Two more women have supposedly spoken up just today.

This guy is either a seriously severe sexual predator who preys on women, or there are an awful lot of women, just jumping on the bandwagon with the intent of smearing Cosby's name, and making sure he is finished for life in show business.
 
My bottom line feeling about all of this.

I don't like to say that I don't believe anyone if they claim that Cosby assaulted them.

However, my true feeling is:

Cosby definitely did something to someone.. or at least.. some.. of these women. As to whether others just jumped on the bandwagon for publicity, or for monetary settlements, I don't know. That could be possible.

I don't think he's completely innocent of anything, though.
 
I would have never thought in my wildest dreams that he would do this. I always admired him and loved his comedy.

It always amazes me how many people come out of the woodwork and claim that it happened to them by so-and-so from so many years ago.
 
I want to believe Mr Cosby I grew up watching him as a comedian and actor, What stumps me is why are the women coming forward now and not right after they claimed it happened? Don't be afraid I know its easier said than done but don't be afraid because the longer you hold something like that in and not say anything the more it consumes you. I should know I've been in psychiatric counseling for I don't know how long. I have more issues than a newsstand and I tried unsuccessfully tried to commit suicide because I couldn't take the emotional pain anymore then my sister Kathy and my wife Ellen talked me into going to a therapist and I haven't missed a meeting. I certainly hope all the accusations are false Mr. Cosby has nothing to gain by lying and the victims have everything to lose by lying
 
Too many women have accused him of sexual improprieties which causes people to think that there is some truth to all these allegations.
 
I've been listening to Cos' records since I was a teenager. His double album "8:15/12:15" is still one of my favorites, along with "Why Is There Air?", "200 MPH" and "Right!".

Please say it ain't so, Bill...
 
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I don't know whether Bill Cosby is guilty or not.
I don't know whether Bill Clinton is guilty of similar behavior or not.
I do know that most of the press is treating Cosby as guilty until proven innocent, but did the opposite with Clinton.
 
Bill Clinton had a few law suits against him when it came to sexual misconduct. Only one woman claimed he raped her and her story was shoddy and brought up 20 years after the fact. Bill Cosby has yet to be sued, as far as I know, when it comes to the recent allegations, but the number of women who all have similar stories of rape or sexual assault makes it hard to deny, I feel like.

The comparison between the two bills doesnt really work and I remember the media villifying Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky despite it being consensual. Kinda apples and oranges here.
 
I've been listening to Cos' records since I was a teenager. His double album "8:15/12:15" is still one of my favorites, along with "Why Is There Air?", "200 MPH" and "Right!".

Please say it ain't so, Bill...

I totally jammed those albums as a youngster. Fat Albert and the Buck Buck game... Ah, it's no game now.
 
Bill Clinton had a few law suits against him when it came to sexual misconduct. Only one woman claimed he raped her and her story was shoddy and brought up 20 years after the fact. Bill Cosby has yet to be sued, as far as I know, when it comes to the recent allegations, but the number of women who all have similar stories of rape or sexual assault makes it hard to deny, I feel like.

The comparison between the two bills doesnt really work and I remember the media villifying Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky despite it being consensual. Kinda apples and oranges here.

For the record, here are the allegations against Bill Clinton that have been made public:

Paula Jones brought a sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton while he was president. Clinton argued that as a sitting president, he should not be vulnerable to a civil suit of this nature. The case landed in the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court held that "Deferral of this litigation until petitioner's Presidency ends is not constitutionally required."[3]

However, a U.S. judge in Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright, ruled that since Jones had not suffered any damages, the case should be dismissed.[4] On April 2, 1998, Judge Susan Webber Wright dismissed Jones' lawsuit.[5] On July 31, 1998, Jones appealed the dismissal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit.[6]


In 1992 porn actress Gennifer Flowers stated that she had a relationship with Clinton that began in 1980.[11] Flowers at first denied that she had an affair with Clinton, but later changed her story.[12][13] After initially denying it, Clinton later admitted that he had a sexual encounter with Flowers when put under oath during the Lewinsky investigation. [14]

In 1998, Kathleen Willey alleged Clinton groped her in a hallway in 1993. An independent counsel determined Willey gave "false information" to the FBI, inconsistent with sworn testimony related to the Jones allegation.[15] Willey dodged perjury charges after Kenneth Starr granted her immunity for her testimony.[15]

In 1998, Juanita Broaddrick alleged Clinton had raped her though she did not remember the exact date, which may have been 1978.[16] Broaddrick's only sworn testimony about Clinton was a previous denial of any harassment by Clinton.[17]

In 1998, in response to what she called false media claims that Clinton had raped her, Elizabeth Ward Gracen recanted a six-year-old denial and stated she had a one night stand with Clinton in 1982.[18] Gracen later apologized to Hillary Clinton.[18]

Dolly Kyle Browning began writing a "semi-autobiographical novel" about her alleged affair with Bill Clinton. In the publication process, Browning asserted that Clinton did everything in his power to prohibit and undermine publication. Browning sued Clinton for damages, but the US Court of Appeals denied her appeal.[19]
 
My feelings on this: it's going to be very Very VERY HARD for these women to get any charges filed against Cosby. First of all, any and all physical evidence is probably all gone. Second of all, the statue of limitations for any number of these possible crimes may have expired (all depending of course on the place the supposed crime took place and what legal authority has precedence). If these women were drugged and date raped then they have my immense sympathy and understanding however, if they wanted Cosby put behind bars they should have come forward immediately after the crime happened. Any chance of criminal charges sticking is now highly doubtful (even civil charges might be doubtful). Again, if these accusations are true then I feel for these women but right now, they are precisely that, accusations, not charges.
 
The count today is 16 women.

There was a settlement with some of these women.
 
I just read an article on ..

www.wpvi.,com

Which said that UMass, the school which Cosby has both a Masters and Doctorate, from, has cut ties with him.
 
On Jim Gardner's 6pm newscast tonight.. on

www.wpvi.com.

Mr Gardner reported that Cosby has resigned from the Board of Trustees of Temple University, Cosby's alma mater, a position he had held since 1982.
 
And again, someone has been proven guilty, before being proven innocent. Yes, even with all the allegations...just think if the same happened to you (and you don't have Coz's money).
 
I can just say this much (which I fully acknowledge I would not be permitted to consider if I were on a jury where Dr. Cosby was charged): If I were ever accused of such offenses, and if I truly were innocent and had nothing to hide, not only would I unequivocally proclaim that the allegations were false, but (especially if I had the kind of money he has) I would lose no time in filing suit against the accuser for defamation. I would be on the warpath. In filing the defamation suit, I wouldn't even be worried about winning it; I would simply want the world to see that I considered myself the aggrieved party and considered the accuser to be the offender.

Now, as to the question of why these women waited so long: The time when the incidents allegedly took place was a time when there was still a stigma attached to being a rape victim. Many women still felt inhibited to admit to it. Add to that the scenario of the rapist being rich, famous, powerful, and revered. And that's the paradox of race in America, because even in the '70s when racism was still much stronger than it is now, Bill Cosby wasn't just another black man; he was Bill Cosby. And I'm always surprised when I hear people refer to his '80s sitcom as having made him rich and famous, because I very plainly remember him as having been a superstar when I was growing up in the '70s.

And I, personally, have every reason to respect Bill Cosby. Being an educator, I can tell you the little-known fact that he made a series of instructional reading videos that are very effective in teaching language arts skills to struggling pupils. Bill Cosby got a doctorate in education with a dissertation on his "Fat Albert" series, and he has made contributions to the world of reading education as well as to entertainment. And, while his recently expressed opinions have made him controversial among African-Americans, I personally think he's done loads for the cause of race relations in America, because he opens dialogue whether one agrees with every word he says or not.

So if he is guilty of these offenses, it's a tragedy, because it represents an otherwise good man having a fatal weakness that ends up bringing him down and undercutting the good he's done. I have every reason to hope he's innocent. But I'll say again: if I were having false accusations made about me, I would not shake my head when asked if I had anything I wanted to say. I would denounce my accuser as a malicious liar, and I would also pin on my accuser the label "the defendant."
 
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