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How racist are you?

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I believe that everyone is in some form racist, not by choice, but by the design of our brains. When I hear the old generations in my family saying some flat out racist junk, it gets me hopping mad. But by the same token, when I hear some dumb white liberals try to erase race as a social construct altogether, it gets me hopping madder. So, as a general census of the ticklemunity,

Is you, or is you not, racist?

Meth
 
First of all I have to laugh at your phrase "dumb white liberals" Was that an intentional jab to prove your hypothesis? (not trying to be curt, just curious)


I like to consider myself not racist. I'm sure there's been instances in the past where I may have subconciously said something that could be construed as politically incorrect, I won't try to glorify myself as some sort of hallowed saint who's never had a potentially racist remark run across his mind. The events after 9/11 left me thinking some pretty horrid things about Muslims and people in the Middle East. Yet, after I had time to sit back and reflect on things, I realized what an idiot I was being making such broad generalizations. I made a vow to myself that day to never judge people like that agin because the actions of a few do not speak for the entire group.

I have friends of all races, religions and backgrounds. One of my best friends is from the Middle East and I once was in a relationship with a black person. I treat people no different than I treat anyone else I know, I judge on personality and actions, not on skin color.

I don't know where I'm going with this, but I like to think I treat everyone equally. Yet as you said we have all had our moments at one point or another. I tend to agree with that.
 
The term "racist" is flung around far too freely. Simply noticing differences between races, or relying on stereotypes, does not necessarily make you a racist. So, just because you make a comment about someone's race, that does not make you racist.
I like the word "intolerance" better, because it is more accurate. Many people are not "racist" in the true sense of the term, they are simpy intolerant of differences between peoples.
There is also a huge double standard in this country when it comes to race. For example, have you ever noticed that the only race you can make fun of is your own? EXCEPT: if you are any race other than white, you can make fun of white people. If you are black, you can make fun of any race you want. But if you are white, you can only make fun of white people because to do otherwise would make you "racist". Isn't it funny that a black man can call a white person a "honkie" or a "cracker" and nobody gives it a second thought, but if a white person calls a black person the "n word", he is automatically a racist?
Just something to think about, hopefully I haven't offended anyone.
 
I have to somewhat echo scinsor here. Perhaps this is just me being a semantics nazi, but in the strictest sense, the term 'racist' means not just that you dislike other races, but that you believe that they're biologically inferior to your own. 'Bigotry' might be a better word for what you're describing. And yes, we all have our moments (I for instance, have been known to get exasperated with Armenians).

But, in general, the idea that we live in a post-racial society is actually pretty close to being the dominant mindset of my generation.
 
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I have been friends with blacks, whites, coulords, orientals, muslims, jews and christians - so I'm pretty much not racist! :)

I am Jewish myself, so I DO hate Nazis!

Does this make me racist?

TA :cool2:
 
Definitions of racism

Racism

When racism, a belief, is applied in practice, it takes forms such as prejudice, discrimination, segregation or subordination. Racism can more narrowly refer to a system of oppression, such as institutional racism.

Historian Barbara Field argued in "Slavery, Race and Ideology in the United States of America" that racism is a "historical phenomenon" which does not explain racial ideology.[4] She suggests that investigators should consider the term to be an American rhetorical device, with a historical explanation. She suggests that using race as a word with real meaning is a common error akin to superstition. Other scholars, however, say that races do exist, and the concept has significant meaning.

Organizations and institutions that put racism into action discriminate against, and marginalize, a class of people who share a common racial designation. The term racism is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group that has the means to oppress others. The term can also apply to any individual or group, regardless of social status or dominance.

Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type.
An African-American man drinks out of the "colored only" water cooler at a racially segregated streetcar terminal in the United States in 1939.
An African-American man drinks out of the "colored only" water cooler at a racially segregated streetcar terminal in the United States in 1939.

W.E.B. DuBois argued that racialism is the belief that differences between the races exist, be they biological, social, psychological, or in the realm of the soul. He argued that racism is using this belief to promote the belief that one's particular race is superior to the others.[4]

According to Jared Diamond in his work Guns, Germs and Steel, race is essentially a social and historical construction. It has no real basis in science, nor can it be used to explain why Europe gained the upper hand in world conquests. Molefi Asante an African American scholar explains racism as "the Wall of ignorance" that hides the long history of racial injustice from public consciousness. He continues that most Whites view racism as a thing of the past, a problem solved by civil rights, African Americans continue to experience racism in many areas of social life.[5]

On occasion, individualism has been denounced as a form of racism; for instance, in 2006, Seattle Public Schools issued a definition of racism on its Web site which stated that favoring individualism over collectivism, and having a "future time orientation", were examples of racism because they favored "white culture" over viewpoints indigenous to other groups. After much criticism, they removed these statements from their site.[6] On the other hand, a 1963 essay by Ayn Rand denounced racism as a crude form of collectivism.[6] She also said "It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man's genetic lineage -- the notion that a man's intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry.Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors. "
 
I am not a racist in the traditional sense, for several reasons.

One is, as a racist you cannot like or dislike ppl on a personal basis.
It is like having no smell or taste.

Second, I am Italian. And a lot of ppl tend to consider my country second world.
Heck, I am barely "white", by most internet slang guides...

Third, while I would not bring just anybody home for some horizontal fun, I would not mind if said anybody ran for premiership over my country.
I don't have to have sex with my rulers, so looks and genes do not really matter, do they?

...

That's my take at the issue.
I'm not liberal. I'm not conservative.
I tend to see things in shades of grey, and I am usually careful when wording my mind out.

;)

[So much for careful wording, after a post like that... :D ]
 
I dunno. I'm a white chick, born and raised in white bread (not all white, just suburban) neighborhoods, and still live in one to this day. But, my pop's best friend all my life since I was a kid was a black guy in my white bread city. And several of my present day friends are "of color", I never thought much of it. If I'm describing Jenny, "the blonde chick with the red car," Jay "the hot black guy with the Benz" doesn't seem much different...It's just a means of physical description for me. If I like you, I like you~I don't give a rat's ass if you're purple.
XOXO
 
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That thing that some people say like "I don't care if you're black, white, red blue, etc, I still like you":

I don't know about any of you, but if I saw blue or green people running around, I'd run away!
 
tickledorange said:
I don't know about any of you, but if I saw blue or green people running around, I'd run away!

For shame! Haven't you ever given the Blue Man Group a chance! LOL :D

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Well as long as our continents are divided into "countries." We will as a planet never be rid of racism until we stop saying the word "race" and start judging people by their actions and personality instead of skin color, culture, eye shape, speech, finances, and religion.
 
This is a very loaded question. As an african american I can only say that alot in this country has to do with race. I think blacks are much more aware of this than whites are. Alot of people are really not truly aware of their own racism until it hits them in the face. Sure I have blue, green and purple friends too but do you live with them or do your kids go to school with them or would you or your family be allowed to marry them? These are things in this country that alot of people dont really like to talk about. Things have improved a great deal but we have a long way to go and we need deeply honest and brutal discussions and not simplistic soundbite questions.
 
brianspencer66 said:
This is a very loaded question. As an african american I can only say that alot in this country has to do with race. I think blacks are much more aware of this than whites are. Alot of people are really not truly aware of their own racism until it hits them in the face. Sure I have blue, green and purple friends too but do you live with them or do your kids go to school with them or would you or your family be allowed to marry them? These are things in this country that alot of people dont really like to talk about. Things have improved a great deal but we have a long way to go and we need deeply honest and brutal discussions and not simplistic soundbite questions.


I agree, Mr. Spencer. Would you care to pose one?
 
brianspencer66 said:
This is a very loaded question. As an african american I can only say that alot in this country has to do with race. I think blacks are much more aware of this than whites are. Alot of people are really not truly aware of their own racism until it hits them in the face. Sure I have blue, green and purple friends too but do you live with them or do your kids go to school with them or would you or your family be allowed to marry them? These are things in this country that alot of people dont really like to talk about. Things have improved a great deal but we have a long way to go and we need deeply honest and brutal discussions and not simplistic soundbite questions.

I don't think the african american are totally a victim. They have done their share of race discrimination. I know a black woman who was made fun of by other blacks in school when she was growing up. Saying she was "too white", "a sellout", "not black enough" and "a oreo cookie." These are racist comments toward another race as well. Not to mention I seen with my own eyes that their are some that make fun of other cultures as well...especially white race.
 
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There is something about racism I don't quite understand.
Isn't it about feeling better than somebody else?

If racists assume that being white is better than being not, why do they get annoyed by racial slurs?
 
Kalamos said:
There is something about racism I don't quite understand.
Isn't it about feeling better than somebody else?

Racism is about feeling better than EVERYone else who is not of your race. So, for example, a racist believes that the lowest scum of a white person is better than any non-white person, simply by virtue of race.

In the 1950's, it was against the law in some states for a white person (any white person) to marry a black person (any black person). It was against the law in some states for black people to use the same public bathroom as white people, or drink from the same water fountain as white people. This is an example of cultural racism, because it applied to all non-white people, promulgated under the assumption that white people are superior by virtue of race.

Now, I know it's very hip to say "everyone's a racist, let's just admit it, blah blah blah." But in fact that's not true. Very few people are truly racists.

If you disagree with the above statement, it may be because you've bought into the idea that saying something bad or judgemental about an individual of another race is being a racist. But it's not, unless that statement is motivated by the belief that that person is inferior to you because they are a different color. Most often, such a statement is motivated by the fact that the person in question is just a lowlife scumbag who happens to be a different color, and you'd say the same thing about them if they were white.

This business of not being able to say a critical word about someone just because they are a different race is in itself a very pervasive form of racism. And if you ask me, it's people who buy into that way of thinking who are being racists.
 
wendynpeter said:
Now, I know it's very hip to say "everyone's a racist, let's just admit it, blah blah blah." But in fact that's not true. Very few people are truly racists.

If you disagree with the above statement, it may be because you've bought into the idea that saying something bad or judgemental about an individual of another race is being a racist.
Quite the opposite.
When you hate, or love, a race [or a culture, nationality, and so on] wholesale, you are usually deluding youself.

No, I am pointing out something different.
If we assume that being a white anglosaxon protestan american male is the best, by white racism standards, why do white racists get annoyed by racial slurs?
They are supposed to feel perfect, yet they behave as if they felt threatened.
If a white racist claims to be part of the world's elite, why do they mind the racial slurs?

...

Maybe you struck an interesting chord with the scumbag thing, and racism is just an easy way to express an inferiority complex.
 
Ticklerguy4u said:
I don't think the african american are totally a victim. They have done their share of race discrimination. I know a black woman who was made fun of by other blacks in school when she was growing up. Saying she was "too white", "a sellout", "not black enough" and "a oreo cookie." These are racist comments toward another race as well. Not to mention I seen with my own eyes that their are some that make fun of other cultures as well...including white.

First of all, I didn't hear anyone say anything about "african americans" being totally a victim. I'd love to know where people get this "victim" stuff from. I don't feel like a victim at all, but at times have been victimized by racism. My children are still victimized by racist attitudes and the actions that come behind them, but they are NOT victims by any means. Let's be real folks, racism is alive and well and probably will never completely go away. But much has changed with more opportunities available now than ever; you just have to fight your way through the BS, stereotypes, and roadblocks in order to get to them.

I've been hit under two schools of thought; racism of the past and the present. In the past, it was okay for white people to sit on their porches and yell the "n" word to me as I walked down their streets. I've been denied credit, jobs, and opportunities because of the color of my skin. I've also gotten jobs and opportunities because of my workplace demeanor-I didn't scare them or impress them as some sort of militant. I learned how to do the "dance" in order to survive and take care of my children. I turned my ears off when my white coworkers would say things and I just mentally wrote them off as ignorant and kept going. Or, my personal favorite, "you're definitely different from what we expected." I've said it before, people need to get to know other races for themselves and stop letting the media and their racist family and friends mold and shape their opinions.

And yes, I was one of those who caught hell within the black community because I didn't act "black enough". I had a lot of white "associates" and friends, my interests and values were different than my peers. I went for swim team and softball when my peers were into track and field. I was in choir when my peers were into step teams (hell, I wasn't coordinated enough to step-I did them a favor by avoiding it). I never went down the wide road where my black peers or family members went so I was always accused of acting "white." It was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard; I just liked what I liked. It had nothing to do with me selling out my race; several people in this forum know that is far the case (hi wendy :) ). There are a lot of knuckleheads in every race, mine included. But there are two things I'm very glad God did for me-make me black and female! I love me just the way I am (sans several pounds) anyway :santasmil .

There was a time during my teens that I wanted to belong and most of my white friends weren't really my friends anyway, so I decided I was going to be more "black", whatever in hell that meant. All I did was get into tons of trouble, watch my grades plummet, and be basically miserable. I finally pulled my head out of my tail a few years later and learned how to be myself. If you like me great, if you don't it's basically your loss.

My interests were always different and it caused me to stand out like a sore thumb. Very little has changed; my tastes in music, entertainment, and men still differ from my peers. I went to my company's Christmas party recently and brought my SO (who is white). I couldn't believe the stares I got throughout the evening. There are six black people on staff at my company; all were seated at the same table except me. Once again, I beat to my own drum and don't allow anyone to pigeonhole me on any level even if it means I stand alone.
 
Kis...good god where did you grow up???? white people yelled that to you? gesh...and damn...how very ignorant...

anyway i try hard not to be a racist...i succeed i think..and that's pretty surprising as i grew up with rather a racist family of sorts..dad would throw a fit if i dated outside my color...but i did anyway..he changed as he grew older..
 
I've always tried my very best to judge others by their character and heart.....not the color of their skin or anything else (why three of my best friends from school are African-American...and we're still best friends today (over 35 years later).

Being a native southerner, I admit I've witnessed my share of racism, and grew up around some older relatives (all now deceased) who did use the "n" word sometimes (which embarrassed me; I've called them down in public more than once for saying it).

I also admit until 15 years or so ago (because of the enviroment I grew up in), I'd have been opposed to someone I love dating or marrying someone outside their race. However, I now have several precious young nieces and nephews whom I love dearly; if someday one of them comes to "uncle" Perry and asked my advice (or introduces me to their non-white boyfriend/ girlfriend).....the ONLY thing which would matter to me? Does he/ she love you. If they love my niece and will care for her/ protect her/ treat her with respect.....that's all that matters to me. By the same token....if I fell in love with a lady of Asian, Hispanic, or African-American heritage......if I love her and she loves me, that's all that matters :)
 
Kinda-Sorta

Isn't there a difference between something being just flat out racist, and just being racial? Maybe I'm just grasping straw when I ask this, but I'm just wondering. Me and a group of friends (sorta the Chears gang of the hobbie shop set) get together and bust balls pretty much every thursday, One guy is a Canadian Arab, the other guy is Jewish (with duel Cancuk/Yank citizenshop) and another guy is Phillipino (sp) and I don't know what he calls God, Tripple H I think) anyways the 4 of us through the jokes around slers and all. Then there is this guy (born in Washinton I believe but has lived here in Toronto for some time) who is black, he isn't a bad guy but he can't take a jok.

In comics right now (and this is relavent) there is a group called the Illuminaty (sp yet again) it conssited of several top fuguers in Marvel (Mr. Fantastic, Prof X, Namour Iron Man, and Black Panther). I call a small group of regulars by the Illuminaty and when on of them came in another reg said "Ah Illuminaty, Dr. Strange." So I turned to this other guy and said "You must be Black Panther by default." Now I probably should have said proxy, but I couldn't think of that word, but the look this guy gave me for a second wasn't friendly at all.

I think he was over reacting, what do you guys think?
 
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Kalamos said:
Quite the opposite.
When you hate, or love, a race [or a culture, nationality, and so on] wholesale, you are usually deluding youself.

No, I am pointing out something different.
If we assume that being a white anglosaxon protestan american male is the best, by white racism standards, why do white racists get annoyed by racial slurs?
They are supposed to feel perfect, yet they behave as if they felt threatened.
If a white racist claims to be part of the world's elite, why do they mind the racial slurs?

...

Maybe you struck an interesting chord with the scumbag thing, and racism is just an easy way to express an inferiority complex.

I honestly have no idea what you're saying here.
 
SlaverTickler said:
Isn't there a difference between something being just flat out racist, and just being racial?

Of course there is. But certain people would have you believe there's no difference at all.
 
As far as the whole "your too white thing" is concerned that is sort of an ignorance that some black folks have when they are jealous or envy someone who they suspect may be smarter, so its a tactic to try to bring one back into the fold but it just backfires badly and we only loose some of our best and brightest if they feel an alienation from their own people. I think the same thing happens with jewish people who may utter anything that smacks of being anti Isreal (self hating jews) or for any other ethnic group in the US.
I had some young knucklehead in his midtwenties pull that too white shit on me and I started runnin down the history to his ass!! first he knew nothing about Josephine Baker or Malcolm X (except from the movie I lent him) or Father Divine or about Marcus Garvey and he had the gall to tell me that Biggie Smalls (Shot dead hip hop artist) was more important than Malcom X. I dont know if you folks remember but there was a hip hop music award on televison and someone was stabbed during the telecast (well they did edit that out later) and this same moron told me those kinds of things are supposed to happen as that is the nature of hip hop!! there are lots of bright young people out there but its truly disturbing and it angers me to no end when i have to deal with this kind of moronic ghetto mentality. But dont get me wrong most kids are not like this, this is just an extreme example.
 
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