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Restraints
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I voted on the above poll, but my REAL answer isn't one of the survey options.
The real problem is that my own expectations are -- inevitably -- too high. I have a list of my favorite videos from across the years, but even among these, there is no Magic Bullet. There is no video that defines what tickling should be, once-and-for-all. There are some wonderful producers out there, laboring away, trying to make a living by attempting to please the likes of us. But they're only human.
My hat is off to to UK Tickling, Nylon Tickling, French Tickling, Shy and Wild Tickling, and Tickle Haven. These are my personal favorites, but even they have never produced the "perfect" video. They do, however, set the bar high for other producers. Thanks to these and others who understand that the fetishist is never really satisfied; and yet, they keep trying.
The real problem is that my own expectations are -- inevitably -- too high. I have a list of my favorite videos from across the years, but even among these, there is no Magic Bullet. There is no video that defines what tickling should be, once-and-for-all. There are some wonderful producers out there, laboring away, trying to make a living by attempting to please the likes of us. But they're only human.
My hat is off to to UK Tickling, Nylon Tickling, French Tickling, Shy and Wild Tickling, and Tickle Haven. These are my personal favorites, but even they have never produced the "perfect" video. They do, however, set the bar high for other producers. Thanks to these and others who understand that the fetishist is never really satisfied; and yet, they keep trying.
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'Only HD' videos annoy the fuck out of me, I understand they're a popular option, but my hard drive needs space for things besides tickle porn and most HD videos get as big as a gigs worth of space, and a lot of times they don't even offer a more modest sized version anymore.
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What annoys me is when the narrative for the movie clip is actually better than the actual movie itself. In other words, they've put far more hype into the film than they have into the actual movie. Or for example you pay for a $13.99 for a 12 minute clip that spends 3:49 of the clip interviewing the girl, but the socks don't come off until 9:39 and the oil doesn't get applied until around the 10:07 mark. Before you know it, the clip is over. Like I said, sometimes the narrative is written better than what the actual movie delivers. I don't mean to be harsh but if I'm planning on spending my hard earned money, I want to see a good clip.
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I have to agree with The Listening. I have bought several videos and feel that I got burned because 90% of the thing is showing that the guy making the video was able to score this super hot model. Then you get 10 1/2 seconds of action. I also hate "bad camera angle" videos. I bought a video once that started out with a great shot of a sweet pair of bare soles that were going to be tickled. Then the guy making the vid sits in front of the camera so that all you see is his back.
Now the next part is going to sound wierd but I am actually tired of all the "super model" videos out there. "Hot Model Gets Tickled" vids seem to be a dime a dozen. They are everywhere so they tend to come off as being fake. Where are the "girl next door" videos? How many of you know of a co-worker or friend or neighbor that isn't a super model but is seriously ticklish? Wouldn't you just love to get your hands on her pretty feet. Or hear her scream when you dig your fingers into her ribs.
Now the next part is going to sound wierd but I am actually tired of all the "super model" videos out there. "Hot Model Gets Tickled" vids seem to be a dime a dozen. They are everywhere so they tend to come off as being fake. Where are the "girl next door" videos? How many of you know of a co-worker or friend or neighbor that isn't a super model but is seriously ticklish? Wouldn't you just love to get your hands on her pretty feet. Or hear her scream when you dig your fingers into her ribs.
I actually think this is a very useful thread and I hope that all of the producers will read the thoughtful responses.
Very constructive thread here guys!
I wanted to take a moment to speak to one of Restraints' points. The reason why there can be no video that defines "what tickling should be" for us all is that this is a matter of individual and personal perspective.
As a producer, I've watched in amazement at how some TMFers go gaga for a clip of a girl who barely reacts to the tickling while totally ignoring the clip with the girl who is 'jumping out of her skin' in autonomic response to the tickling.
One day, I finally had an epiphany as to why this is so. So my theory (which is partly based on discussion with many ticklers and is partly based on psychological research) is that what we personally experience in our fetish-formative tickle-encounters is what we define as "genuine ticklishness".
So, now imagine, with the broad spectrum of ticklers (all having varying definitions of what is genuine-ticklishness) watching video clips here, in search of the video that defines "what tickling should be". That is like trying to definitively identify "what is beauty".
Based on this, I am certain that there are (or will be) videos that can do this for each of us individually, but not collectively.
For me, one video that is very close to "what tickling should be ... to me" is Tale of Two Tickles *** Full Length Version *** from Silver Cherry. It released June 1, 2004. The segment where "the dominant woman name Tara is laying on her back on the massage table and she is tickled" was absolute 'tickle fetish catnip' for me - and still is to this day.
Just my 2.347 cents worth of insight. ha!
JD
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HD space is so cheap right now that I'm surprised to hear complaints about video size.
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I found this thread useful too. It brings to light some of the "nuisances" from a customer standpoint and I did take the time to read them all. I will combine this with my own market research that I did earlier to yield even better tickle videos than ever before in 2013! To those who support us, I thank you. To those who haven't in the past, no hard feelings, but definately check us out as we have very high standards and believe in quality, not quantity!
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I have to agree, a successful tickling video is defined by the buyer, nevertheless, if you look at the list on clips4sale you can see which stores are first and get some idea that if they are there is because they are getting the product right, at least most of the times.
You see that Tickle Abuse, the king of tickling paraphernalia, is always on the top 5. Tickle Central is like part of the furniture of the top list, it seems it has been there since the beginning of time. Tickle Intensive is newcomer (relatively) but make also a home in the top 10. UK tickling also a newcomer when compared with T Central but also has made a room for itself in the top 10.
After there are those that do not make clips so often, like Silvercherry another veteran of the business, when this store puts a clip, which does not happen very often, it almost always climb to the top.
A special mention goes to Czech ticklish girls or feet, I would say they really take a share from the USA tickling market. This is a wonderful store.
Shy and Wild tickling its long previews let you know if the clip you are thinking to buy to feed your fetish is worth or not. It does not cheat you. That great customer service.
Tickle Addition is an honorable effort by the girls. Finally FKTL, that store that gamble to make tickling magazines with real models, very original.
What do these stores have in common, is not nudity, because T Central is like PG 13, is not side orders, like licking or forced orgasm, because again Silvercherry or UK tickling or Czech do not mix it with the tickling. Is not the use of paraphernalia, Tickle Intensive does wonders with its simple bed, it is not the use of feathers or toothbrushes, fingers are unbeatable. Is not the language because who understands czech?
I guess what they have in common is the intensity of the tickling, tickling somebody very ticklish to complete madness. In a barbecue you want meat and a lot of it, do not give me that crap that you want side orders like salad…, and in a tickling video you want that: tickling and a lot of it. Nudity is great only if the model is crazy ticklish and is been tickled to death, the best in this is UK ticking. A tickling video cannot be dominated by forced orgasm and licking, those are side orders, either separate like TCentral or secondary to the tickling like in Tickle Intensive
I usually choose a video, among these stores, I follow the model (so you know is ticklish) and I prefer tickling on a bed.
And well, teasing, like C. Carter, the cat and mouse game between the tickler and tickle is like the barbecue sauce in your black Angus steak.
Only an opinion, no offense intended to anybody.
You see that Tickle Abuse, the king of tickling paraphernalia, is always on the top 5. Tickle Central is like part of the furniture of the top list, it seems it has been there since the beginning of time. Tickle Intensive is newcomer (relatively) but make also a home in the top 10. UK tickling also a newcomer when compared with T Central but also has made a room for itself in the top 10.
After there are those that do not make clips so often, like Silvercherry another veteran of the business, when this store puts a clip, which does not happen very often, it almost always climb to the top.
A special mention goes to Czech ticklish girls or feet, I would say they really take a share from the USA tickling market. This is a wonderful store.
Shy and Wild tickling its long previews let you know if the clip you are thinking to buy to feed your fetish is worth or not. It does not cheat you. That great customer service.
Tickle Addition is an honorable effort by the girls. Finally FKTL, that store that gamble to make tickling magazines with real models, very original.
What do these stores have in common, is not nudity, because T Central is like PG 13, is not side orders, like licking or forced orgasm, because again Silvercherry or UK tickling or Czech do not mix it with the tickling. Is not the use of paraphernalia, Tickle Intensive does wonders with its simple bed, it is not the use of feathers or toothbrushes, fingers are unbeatable. Is not the language because who understands czech?
I guess what they have in common is the intensity of the tickling, tickling somebody very ticklish to complete madness. In a barbecue you want meat and a lot of it, do not give me that crap that you want side orders like salad…, and in a tickling video you want that: tickling and a lot of it. Nudity is great only if the model is crazy ticklish and is been tickled to death, the best in this is UK ticking. A tickling video cannot be dominated by forced orgasm and licking, those are side orders, either separate like TCentral or secondary to the tickling like in Tickle Intensive
I usually choose a video, among these stores, I follow the model (so you know is ticklish) and I prefer tickling on a bed.
And well, teasing, like C. Carter, the cat and mouse game between the tickler and tickle is like the barbecue sauce in your black Angus steak.
Only an opinion, no offense intended to anybody.
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Biggest annoyance is producers who insist on taping it themselves and not using a tripod. All the videos look amateurish and are annoying to follow, just stick the camera in a single spot for a few minutes for once. You miss so many subtle responses/reactions, even in the HD clips because of the field of view constantly shifting, and things blur with the camera moving. Same goes for super close ups, clips are clear enough today that you can see everything just fine, I'd rather not miss out on the 'lees face while you insist on getting the camera 3 inches from their feet, pointless.
Lastly is something that's kind of been missing from clips for a few years now, although it happens perhaps by accident from some people on occasion. Back in the days of RT and TIB there was a methodical approach to each video (silvercherry, and frenchtickling still do this), where there was foot segment, and thigh/knee segment, stomach, underarms, ect. it was a thrill to watch the lee slowly go nuts from a sustained tickling to a certain part of their body uninterupted. It also made finding your favorite parts of a video easier instead of having to skip around to say the 5 different segments of 15 second belly tickling for example, if that's what you were into...
Lastly is something that's kind of been missing from clips for a few years now, although it happens perhaps by accident from some people on occasion. Back in the days of RT and TIB there was a methodical approach to each video (silvercherry, and frenchtickling still do this), where there was foot segment, and thigh/knee segment, stomach, underarms, ect. it was a thrill to watch the lee slowly go nuts from a sustained tickling to a certain part of their body uninterupted. It also made finding your favorite parts of a video easier instead of having to skip around to say the 5 different segments of 15 second belly tickling for example, if that's what you were into...
For me the single most important thing is how ticklish the ticklee is and how intensly she is tickled. I agree that it is a personal opinion who is the most ticklish, I personally like it when the ticklee is so ticklish they are frantically trying to escape jumping and pulling away screaming, laughing begging at every touch. Like Deadsea7777 I tend to follow the models I know are ticklish in my meaning of the term.
Other factors:
1. I prefer HD clips (space is cheap and if Im going to pay for it I want to see it in good quality so I believe providers should show in both HD for people with good eye sight and low res for those without hard drives lol).
2. I never buy a clip without a preview. Been burned too many times in the past and now there is really no need to.
3. I dont like paying for the long interviews, they can be nice but they shuld be FREE, eg if you have a 14 minute clip with a 4 minute interview throw the 4min interview in as a bonus, we will watch it once then edit it out or skip it every other time so it has little money value, but if given as a bonus it now appears like good value and not bad value as is usually the case.
4. I personally hate nylon tickling, so if a clip has any nylon tickling at all I give it a miss. Reading posts over the years I think generally people are either into bare feet ot nylons so if I was a producor I would seperate the two and have a nylon store and a bare foot store.
5. I like oiled feet being tickled cant get enough of that.
6. I believe there is a shortage of strict bondage tickling. For example the bondage on this site http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/57417/Drea-Morgan-s-Paraphilias is excellent (and so are the few tickle clips of theirs I have bought) but I would love to see that strictness of bondage by a site that focuses on tickling. James Dark (ShynWild) did a clip where Jaden Star was in a reasonably strict hogtie once (I say reasonably because her knees where not tied) but it was GREAT one of my favourite of all of his clips (which is saying something because he consistantly pumps out VERY high quality work).
Thats my 2 cents worth.
Other factors:
1. I prefer HD clips (space is cheap and if Im going to pay for it I want to see it in good quality so I believe providers should show in both HD for people with good eye sight and low res for those without hard drives lol).
2. I never buy a clip without a preview. Been burned too many times in the past and now there is really no need to.
3. I dont like paying for the long interviews, they can be nice but they shuld be FREE, eg if you have a 14 minute clip with a 4 minute interview throw the 4min interview in as a bonus, we will watch it once then edit it out or skip it every other time so it has little money value, but if given as a bonus it now appears like good value and not bad value as is usually the case.
4. I personally hate nylon tickling, so if a clip has any nylon tickling at all I give it a miss. Reading posts over the years I think generally people are either into bare feet ot nylons so if I was a producor I would seperate the two and have a nylon store and a bare foot store.
5. I like oiled feet being tickled cant get enough of that.
6. I believe there is a shortage of strict bondage tickling. For example the bondage on this site http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/57417/Drea-Morgan-s-Paraphilias is excellent (and so are the few tickle clips of theirs I have bought) but I would love to see that strictness of bondage by a site that focuses on tickling. James Dark (ShynWild) did a clip where Jaden Star was in a reasonably strict hogtie once (I say reasonably because her knees where not tied) but it was GREAT one of my favourite of all of his clips (which is saying something because he consistantly pumps out VERY high quality work).
Thats my 2 cents worth.
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One of the best clips I ever saw
Once upon a time there was this clip (unaware if still exist) that came from TicklingParadise. The clip was a woman who's beautiful bare feet were stuck in the stocks at the mercy of the anonymous tickling hands covered in silver gloves. Although you couldn't see who the 'lee or 'lers were, the clip was so damn good that you didn't have to. It was about 1:30 seconds of absolute nightmare torture for the 'lee and one of the best clips I've ever seen since I've been in the game. The clip focuses on the 'lee's barefeet (upclose) as the silver gloved hands tickle her soles until she is literally breathless. They begin lightly, softly stroking her soles as her feet flex and paw at the air. Then toward the middle of the clip they ramp up and really start to dig in. The 'lee bolts with that good ol' genuine belly laughter, the kind of laugh that comes straight from her soul. She kicks and fights frantically to free herself but is unable to and mercifully falls victim to the silver tickling hands. The hands scrape and scratch at her soles, pulling on her toes from time to time. They take this woman to school. By the end of the clip, she is laughing frantically and can barely speak a lick of a language. It's an awesome clip.
What makes a good clip, honestly, isn't always the model's attractiveness. But her reaction to the tickling. Any girl can sit in the stocks with oil on her feet and fake her way through a clip. What I think most viewers are after is that genuine reaction. Toes that curl, arches that flex and desperately scratch into the air. The genuine reflex associated with being tickled; beautiful breathless laughter, where sentences sound like gibberish.
The clip that I described above is about 1:30 of absolute incredible material and it's better than some material where the model is tickled longer. Another example, perhaps more accessible? Try Magic Box 3, featuring Lily as a magician assistant. Now, watch the part carefully as the magician assistant tickles her feet when the camera is up close. Listen to her voice. Watch her reactions as the magician tickles the sole of her feet. She's fighting tooth and nail to free herself and can do nothing but reduce herself to his mercy, going completely silent at times. He switches to a blue feather which drives her mad. He asks her how she's doing before diving back into her soft soles with his fingers, by this time she's on the brink of insanity. It's a good quality clip and it couldn't get anymore genuine then that. Watch Lily's soles in conjuction with her wild laughter and you know she's forreal. Her toes are curled, wrinkles are up and down her arches.
Genuine clips, genuine models with genuine laughter along with decently timed preview. If you've got a 10 or 11 minute clip, I should at least be able to sample 1-1.5 minutes of your material. Some producers leave 10 or 15 seconds and even half of that is an interview. To me that's an indication that the material may not be all that good so they try to put their best couple of seconds together.
Once upon a time there was this clip (unaware if still exist) that came from TicklingParadise. The clip was a woman who's beautiful bare feet were stuck in the stocks at the mercy of the anonymous tickling hands covered in silver gloves. Although you couldn't see who the 'lee or 'lers were, the clip was so damn good that you didn't have to. It was about 1:30 seconds of absolute nightmare torture for the 'lee and one of the best clips I've ever seen since I've been in the game. The clip focuses on the 'lee's barefeet (upclose) as the silver gloved hands tickle her soles until she is literally breathless. They begin lightly, softly stroking her soles as her feet flex and paw at the air. Then toward the middle of the clip they ramp up and really start to dig in. The 'lee bolts with that good ol' genuine belly laughter, the kind of laugh that comes straight from her soul. She kicks and fights frantically to free herself but is unable to and mercifully falls victim to the silver tickling hands. The hands scrape and scratch at her soles, pulling on her toes from time to time. They take this woman to school. By the end of the clip, she is laughing frantically and can barely speak a lick of a language. It's an awesome clip.
What makes a good clip, honestly, isn't always the model's attractiveness. But her reaction to the tickling. Any girl can sit in the stocks with oil on her feet and fake her way through a clip. What I think most viewers are after is that genuine reaction. Toes that curl, arches that flex and desperately scratch into the air. The genuine reflex associated with being tickled; beautiful breathless laughter, where sentences sound like gibberish.
The clip that I described above is about 1:30 of absolute incredible material and it's better than some material where the model is tickled longer. Another example, perhaps more accessible? Try Magic Box 3, featuring Lily as a magician assistant. Now, watch the part carefully as the magician assistant tickles her feet when the camera is up close. Listen to her voice. Watch her reactions as the magician tickles the sole of her feet. She's fighting tooth and nail to free herself and can do nothing but reduce herself to his mercy, going completely silent at times. He switches to a blue feather which drives her mad. He asks her how she's doing before diving back into her soft soles with his fingers, by this time she's on the brink of insanity. It's a good quality clip and it couldn't get anymore genuine then that. Watch Lily's soles in conjuction with her wild laughter and you know she's forreal. Her toes are curled, wrinkles are up and down her arches.
Genuine clips, genuine models with genuine laughter along with decently timed preview. If you've got a 10 or 11 minute clip, I should at least be able to sample 1-1.5 minutes of your material. Some producers leave 10 or 15 seconds and even half of that is an interview. To me that's an indication that the material may not be all that good so they try to put their best couple of seconds together.
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I guess one of the things that REALLY annoys me in a clip is when it's a M/F and the Male 'Ler' keeps mugging into the camera. For me, that Really kills the 'mood'. Yaqi is great for that and the guy at French Tickling does it a lot to. I've purchased clips that look really good because that portion isn't shown in the preview. Then when I've spent my money and see that it just kills it for me.
In my opinion, Producers and/or Male Lers need to not to 'mug' into the camera. This may not matter to some,and may even sound silly. but it buggs the hell out of me.
In my opinion, Producers and/or Male Lers need to not to 'mug' into the camera. This may not matter to some,and may even sound silly. but it buggs the hell out of me.
What bugs me is that the pictures or preview are nothing of what the video is all about, not to say any names but I saw a really nice preview and I bought the clip just because of that hot scene.
Then it turns out the whole scene was in the preview..just 3 seconds of tickling that was better than the rest...
Yes also producers who don't use a tripod. I notice that czech ticklish girls don't use a tripod, they got some hot women but it would be better with a tripod, you can see each movement much better.
I did get a clip from French tickling and the preview I saw had a very nice 4 minute scene with the preview and it was awesome, you get what you paid for.
About the HD I would love for some producers to get HD camera, they are so easy to get a hold of now. I even have one to make sum videos too. There is a store which has never had HD and 2 years ago I was ok but now its like I won't buy their videos cause of clarity.
Well when i upload clips I usually make a picture by pausing the video at 15, 25, 50, 75% of the video and I put the time of the video that way people know whats going on during the video more. Also include previews. I used to advertise using youtube but I've had 5 channels taken down already, even when my videos were private were taken down. So now I have no ways to advertise really.
Oh yea I got a Terabite Hard Drive and to tell you the truth its almost full. Since I am a producer and I got about 300GB of my own videos and probably about 300GB of actual porn.
Only because my old camera which recorded in 480p had huge 500mb/7 minutes
My new camera records in 1080p and its about 120mb/7 minutes
Then it turns out the whole scene was in the preview..just 3 seconds of tickling that was better than the rest...
Yes also producers who don't use a tripod. I notice that czech ticklish girls don't use a tripod, they got some hot women but it would be better with a tripod, you can see each movement much better.
I did get a clip from French tickling and the preview I saw had a very nice 4 minute scene with the preview and it was awesome, you get what you paid for.
About the HD I would love for some producers to get HD camera, they are so easy to get a hold of now. I even have one to make sum videos too. There is a store which has never had HD and 2 years ago I was ok but now its like I won't buy their videos cause of clarity.
Well when i upload clips I usually make a picture by pausing the video at 15, 25, 50, 75% of the video and I put the time of the video that way people know whats going on during the video more. Also include previews. I used to advertise using youtube but I've had 5 channels taken down already, even when my videos were private were taken down. So now I have no ways to advertise really.
Oh yea I got a Terabite Hard Drive and to tell you the truth its almost full. Since I am a producer and I got about 300GB of my own videos and probably about 300GB of actual porn.
Only because my old camera which recorded in 480p had huge 500mb/7 minutes
My new camera records in 1080p and its about 120mb/7 minutes
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I don't buy clips, they're too fake!
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I think clips4sale has some policy against having a person completely tied and then doing things to him. Anyway, what would you call "strict" well done bondage? How it would be?
Such a generalization is bound to be provably wrong. It's like having a bad experience with a Chinese girl and then saying Chinese girls are bad.
For you sake (solely), I hope you understand the fundamental truth.
JD
Actually, their policy is based on laws in many states the forbid certain explicitly sexual acts to be done to any restrained person.
Strict bondage is a term that solely refers to tying someone in such a way that they lose the option to struggle freely. It is a term that identifies a classification of restraint and is a most valuable prize for some bondage fetishists.
Strict bondage and intense tickling would likely lead to injury or mental shut down.
It looks appealing as a tickle fantasy, but I'm not considering it.
In the shoot with Jaden Starr, she was simply hogtied in rope.
JD
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Clips4Sale's policy on bondage only applies to penetration, not tickling. Here's the relevant line from their Video Guidelines.
