Ebay and Tickling Videos

Hi all, just wanted to say that Ebay no longer lets anyone sell original tickle videos, which unfortunately stops the whole idea of auctioning used items, but anyhow...
please email me at [email protected] if you'd like to buy new original vids, I'll send you the small list I tried to ebay, thanks.

PS - Help a poor college kid! 😉

huh?

Are you talking original, like, ones you made yourself, or ones brought from Real Tickling or FM productions, for example?

I seen some there

I just went to the Ebay site and typed "tickling" in the search bar and got a bunch. I wouldn't see any reason why you can't sell the originals. I mean legally it's yours to sell right? Unless your making copies...now that is a different story. The only way something like that could happen is if the producers went and cried to Ebay,,,but even then...you own it...you may do as you please with it. At least that is how I see it.


C

I've got 20 videos up for auction there right now. They are Paradise Vision, DF Productions and FM Concepts titles, and all were bought from the original producers. (I haven't put up any MTP or RT titles out of respect for the wishes that those producers have expressed here.) The list of items for auction can be found at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISA...ed=0&sort=3&since=-1&include=0&page=1&rows=25

I did a search for "tickling video" and came up with 79 items, not all of which are tickling videos. eBay lists millions of items every month and it's doubtful that they would single out a category of less than 100 items. They will not let you sell copies of ANY videotape, but you can sell the originals to your heart's content. 😎

Super,

I admire your respect for our video producers...but I don't think they would mind if you sold one of their videos if you already purchased it from them.

daddy

a grey area here

Whilr I think selling used video's is okay, I have a problem with auctioning them to the highest bidder. To me selling at the original price or lower is fine for used tapes. I don't mean to sound bad on this subject or anything, just my two cents worth.

Re: a grey area here

Originally posted by sirbeartotickle
While I think selling used video's is okay, I have a problem with auctioning them to the highest bidder. To me selling at the original price or lower is fine for used tapes.

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Just about 100% of the time, a pre-owned video will sell for less than its original purchase price. A person would have to be pretty stupid to bid more for a pre-owned tape than it would cost "new" from the producer. The exception would be rare/out-of-print videos that are no longer available and, in those cases, the marketplace sets the price. 😎

Wow! So many great videos on Ebay! And here I am banned for 120 days! Never try selling a foot magazine in the "general" non-adult section, even if it doesn't feature sex or nudity. Some Puritan will not like it and report you. When I get back on Ebay, I plan on filing a lot of complaints!

who cares....?

I wanted to say something on this subject a while back, but I bit my tongue and waited for someone else to encounter the situation before I chimed on in.

Okay, no, you CAN sell videos on Ebay. You just can't sell the videos of the producers on this forum.... You can sell FM videos, and Harmony ones, and DF Productions, and Paradise Vision. They don't care. I don't know about Magic Touch, but I know you can't sell Real Tickling. Ebay will send you a nasty email about how if you try to, Real Tickling will take legal action, you will be banned from Ebay, etc. You used to eb able to, but the attitudes have dramatically changed recently.

This is utterly ABSURD! We, the consumers, we payed for the videos, payed a LOT of money for them. Once you buy something, it's yours, period. You can't COPY it and sell it, of course, but if you want to sell the copy you bought, trade it, slice it up and fry it with some eggplant, bury it in your backyard, whatever, it's yours, you have that right.

You used to be able to, and I have theories on why you can't now. I mean, remember the thread were they were getting pissed of at those of you who were trading videos? I don't think these people realize how capitalism works.

I think these companies may be losing profits, for whatever reason, who cares, and are getting paranoid and trying to control their product AFTER they've given up rights to it by selling it to someone. It's like a WalMart worker following you around and making sure after you buy a CD, you never lend it, or trade it, or hock it, anywhere.

I think they look at the situation like if someone buys a video off of Ebay, or trades one to soemone, that's one less sale they get. Therefore, logically, if you demand that no one trade videos, and lock down on all the auction sites, if someone wants a video from your comapny, the ONLY way they can get one is to buy it from you. And once a customer buys that video, they STILL control it, they still tell you what to do with it, after you paid a LOT of money for it.

I'm not going to buy videos from them anymore. I was so disgusted with the whole situation, I was going to leave the whole tickle community and say the hell with it. I even sold most of my videos. But I said, no, I'll stay and see if some other company starts up and produces good videos, and buy from them. Or maybe Real Tickling will come to their senses and realize we are not all out to get them. I have purchased SEVERAL of their video, 8 or 9, I think, so I'm definitely not soemone who is critiqueing and has done nothing to alleviate the situation. They made money from me.

But cracking down on their own customers will just drive people away. What's the state of their business, I don't know. I don't care. When someone tells me what I can do with soemthing after I paid for it, that makes me a little angry. Not a lot angry, just a little. When I was cleaning out my collection of stuff to get rid of, a little note dropped out from one of their earlier videos that basically said "Hey, got any ideas, we'll be glad to hear them. We're happy to entertain you. Don't have a nice day, have a GREAT day" I wonder what happened to get rid of that nice attitude they once had long ago....

Real Tickling Auctions on Ebay - Cancelled!

Hi All. I just had a few of my Real Tickling Videos for sale on ebay and TC Productions (the Real Tickling Staff) had ebay cancel them. I emailed them to ask why they had done this and this is the response I got:

we thank you for sending us that email. we were interested in making sure that ebay was professional and courteous about how they stated things.

to answer your questions, no, we do not condone the reselling of any of our copyrighted video tapes (even if originals). sad truth is many people are attempting to sell copies of our tapes that they have made. others will make themselves a copy and sell the original. either way we get undermined concerning our own product. this is unacceptable. we wish to be the only source for being able to purchase our media. therefore we have taken steps to prevent sales of our products on quite a few online auction sites, including ebay.

please know that in the future if you purchase any of our videos, we do not expect you to resell them at a later date. your purchase is for you to own and it ends there. that is our understanding and policy when a customer makes a purchase from us. it may seem harsh but its what we have to do. in fact we'd take it a step further and say that if you intend to resell any of our videos (copies or originals) then we'd truthfully prefer that you dont buy our videos in the first place. that's how strongly we feel about others selling our product for less than we do.

Sincerely,

Thank you,
Staff at TC


This kind of control really concerns me. Last time I checked this was still America and we could buy and sell property as we choose. I'd like to get some discussion going on this issue, both pro and con. Anyone have an opinion? 😕

The discussion was had pretty much already...Go to this thread...
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12898

Hi homerpalooza57, hope you don't mind that I took the liberty of merging your thread with the other one about this topic.
EQ

Re: Real Tickling Auctions on Ebay - Cancelled!

homerpalooza57 said:

...please know that in the future if you purchase any of our videos, we do not expect you to resell them at a later date. your purchase is for you to own and it ends there. that is our understanding and policy when a customer makes a purchase from us. it may seem harsh but its what we have to do. in fact we'd take it a step further and say that if you intend to resell any of our videos (copies or originals) then we'd truthfully prefer that you dont buy our videos in the first place. that's how strongly we feel about others selling our product for less than we do....

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Well, this is the first time I've ever heard of this "understanding and policy" and I've been buying RealTickling videos since their inception. I truly wasn't aware that, when I was buying a TC video, I was actually just buying a "license" to use it, as with software. I was under the impression that the videotape was mine to do with as I pleased, just like every other videotape, DVD, CD, book, etc. I've ever bought. Silly me!

However, since this has now been officially stated as their "understanding and policy," I will comply with TC's preference and cease buying videos from them. Congratulations, guys, you've just lost a faithful customer for good! 😎

I don't buy tickle videos, anytime from anywhere. So I am a neutral observer here, if one can be found.

Now, I'm not a copyright lawyer -- perhaps I should be... what a gold mine it's becoming! But it is my understanding that once you have purchased an item, it is yours to do with as you please. If you buy a book, or a video, or a CD, you can sell it. Indeed, most of the books, videos and CDs I buy ARE used, and the manufacturers have no legal right to say I can't buy them. Believe me, if Universal or Polygram or Random House could stop it, they probably would -- so obviously they can't.

Selling copies is totally different. That's illegal. Completely illegal. But selling the original item isn't. It always says in books that you can't reproduce or disseminate the text without permission. But the actual copy you buy is your private property, and private property may be sold. The exception is "preview" copies, which are distributed free on the explicit understanding that they remain the property of the publisher -- they say so in the book.

The only way I can see that you would NOT have the right to resell an item you purchased is if, when purchasing it, you signed or otherwise explicitly agreed to an actual binding contract saying that the item may not be resold. Otherwise, the publisher has no legal leg to stand on.

That is my understanding. Obviously, TC disagrees, and obviously eBay would rather play it safe -- they have enough business without worrying about a handful of videos from one issuer. I don't mean to disparage TC -- I understand what they are trying to accomplish, and I have no stake in the matter (I don't buy videos). However, legally, I don't believe they're correct unless they obtain an explicit agreement at the point of sale.

Boycott.

U.N. Owen is right. After all, you pay $40.00 for a video..(and this supposed "movie star tickle" thing they are doing...that will be $100.00 VCR tape!!!)

All we can do is boycott them. They are sorry, they must control their product after they sell it.

Fine.

We are sorry, all those pissed off will simply and quietly boycott them.

i don't see the big deal here with some of you so gung-ho to resell all your videos. anyway thats another matter. what i really wanted to say is "hell if i'm going to boycott tc! i'd be insane." they make the hands down, feet down best videos out there and since i don't wish to become a ebay video salesman i'll keep buying their videos like always. sorry if i burst any of your bubbles. 😉 😉 😉

gee willickers. i thought private emails were private and not to be posted all over the net. guess not. no matter. this subject needs addressing.

ok. sigh. this is a sticky situation for us. why?
because if we dont reply some will claim we are not in touch with our customers and we think we're to good for them.
if we DO reply to this, those that are "uprising" will want to debate it indefinitely.

we have to choose one. so i'll choose to reply.
(but please know this: this is our only reply to this thread. we will not argue and debate this extensively. it'll do no good. we won't be replying again to this thread) 🙂

i'll try ta keep it short.

fact: we realize not everyone is selling "home made" copies of our movies. some are genuinely just selling the one original copy they have. those people are innocent.

fact: we strongly believe, and have reason too believe, that 95% of people selling videos on ebay are either selling copies they've made, or have made a copy for themselves to keep, and are selling the original. both of those scenarios are unnaceptable to us because one copy is then becoming many.

fact: what would you think if the same video title was being auctioned and sold every 2 weeks by the same person on ebay? hmmm. we dont remember selling them 10 copies of that video. 🙁

fact: there is no way for us to figure out who are the few that are not cheating us so we have to keep one rule for everyone. no reselling our product. taking someone's word for it these days is not overly smart. you would NOT believe the piracy of our material we've run across that was being done by people we never would have thought. by some pretending to be good freinds of ours.

fact: no we dont feel we should or need to control people. not at all. this is not a personal issue. we are just protecting our interests and product. we've seen comments like, "i'm gonna wait and check ebay for that new video they released." if people get used to bypassing us and going to ebay for all their tickling videos then...well...you know.

fact: we're completely surprised that no other tickling video producers who read and post here have not voiced their opinions. (not completely surprised. maybe seeing the competition strung up isn't so bad. LOL.🙂) but hey company's! do you really condone and want your videos sold all over ebay like they are this very moment?

fact: we are not monsters. many of you reading this post have had dealings with us many times in the past. we attempt to provide speedy and thoughtfull customer service. we seriously take to heart your ideas and comments about what we should try and do next. we try and tickle specific models and girls that you lead us too on the internet. we're easy to get along with and thats the truth. we're fun loving people and not "big brother" as we're being made out to be with this thread.
😀

thats about it. take care and smile a lot.

"fact: we realize not everyone is selling "home made" copies of our movies. some are genuinely just selling the one original copy they have. those people are innocent.

fact: we strongly believe, and have reason too believe, that 95% of people selling videos on ebay are either selling copies they've made, or have made a copy for themselves to keep, and are selling the original. both of those scenarios are unnaceptable to us because one copy is then becoming many."

I'm not sure where this 95% figure comes from, but I suspect it is more "opinion" than "fact". I agree that nobody should be buying/selling copies of copyrighted materials, but to ban the sale of originals because of an opinion.....well, let's just say I'd be interested in reading the copyright language, and knowing if was in effect before or after I have purchased videos from this company.

By this logic, no one could ever sell a used book at a garage sale, since the author of that book has no way of examining to see whether it is the original, or if it was copied over.

I will certainly comply with the wishes of TIB, and respect all legal rights of this and other companies.

But, as a consumer, I agree with Mabus's point. If you don't like the way a particular company does business, your best bet is to simply take your business elsewhere.

Unitkl also has a point. They make amazing videos, and boycotting would be hard.

Will I boycott this company? I don't know. I really have to think about it.

I love their products, but am disappointed in this stance they have taken.

Hmm interesting...

TIB I can def appreciate your posistion specially since your a smaller company and your just trying to keepo your living. Also I can appreciate your feeling on piracy. personally I really cant condone your killing of a resale of an original someones already paid for though. that really sounds very Microsoftish to me. if you can prove that they are selling copies that would be one thing and I definately encourage you to go after them. but if they are selling the orignials, well, that sounds to me a bit like the RIAA.

merely want to sell a few old videos...

I'm not really gung-ho about re-selling videos. Look, you order a video off the internet. You watch it. It's sucks. Or, it's good, but you get bored with it after a while. You go out and buy another one that you think you'll like. It's okay, or it's great, whatever.

After a while, a few years sometimes, you find you have a lot of videos. You haven't watched some in months or years. You're like, "Man, I got too many of these, I wasted a lot of money. Oh well, I'll just sell the ones I don't want anymore on Ebay, and let someone else enjoy them." They're not brand new, never been played, because they've been watched a few times. The cardboard might be slightly messed up. You obviously will have to sell them for cheaper than you purchased them. You realize you will have a loss, sometimes of a lot of money. You may buy it for $40.00, and only sell it for $15.00.

But then you find out you CAN'T sell it al all. Of course you'd be pissed off.

That's why many are slightly pissed. No, it's not the end of the world, but it's a loss of money. I just want to sell a few old videos. That's all.

That's not all, of course. I DID list a video twice. If you don't sell it the first time, if no one wants to buy it, which happens a lot, you have to list it again. I list ten videos, I will only sell three. I have to re-list the other seven, again. Then only two sell. Then I have to re-list five, again. .50 cents every time. I am currently selling soem videos I have listed a few times. OR, and this happened twice, I listed a video. It sold. I was charged .50 cents, AND the percentage of the sale, a few dollars. The other guy, the buyer, doesn't claim his video. So I STILL have the video, but I lost two or three dollars because Ebay thinks the sale went through. That gets aggravating after a while.

I realize people sell copies of tapes, and I have spoken out about before. I realize these are small companies, and every sale lost to piracy means you guys are that much closer to having no sales at all and shutting down. Or, losing money and having cheaper production values. I'm also against people who post saying they will share passwords to sites, for the same reason. I believe in capitalism, and FAIR capitalism more importantly. Selling copied tapes effects the market and customers adversley, causing prices to go up, (which they have) quality to go down because of lack of funds for new video projects, and inevitably causing companies to shut down because they have no revenue coming in. All of this hurts everyone, especially us.

And, copied tapes are a scam to the buyer, because with analog VHS technology, a copy loses a lot of quality. It's grainy, the sound isn't as good, and it basically sucks. I hold quality high up on the scale of what to buy, and I despise paying a lot of money for poor quality. Everytime you play a copied tape, you lose even more quality, and eventually you end up with a grainy, staticy tape. That sucks.

I have never bought a copied tape, and certainly never will, because it wouldn't be worth the dollar spent on the raw tape.

BUT, I don't know where this '95% of the people are pirates' comes from. If it's based on the fact that people merely re-list videos that weren't sold, I can see where the confusion would be. I will say, RealTickling and Paradise Vision usually sell pretty fast. Someone shouldn't hvae a hard time selling one of their tapes, and shouldn't have to list it ten times. Way back when, when we could sell them, I sold the one or two I had with the first listing on Ebay. Now, FM Concepts, well, some sell quickly, but I have a few here that I have listed three or four times. That speaks to the fact that yes, RealTickling does make good stuff. I have written good reviews of their tapes, and told them how they could increase their advertising by aiming for the egroups, so no, I'm not some mean guy here, I just want fairness and am stating an annoyance.

This is what I perceived the whole situation to be, and I could be wrong. They were losing business. (I had heard complaints when people brought up trading videos, and it suprised me someone would care if their videos were traded.) Then I thought, maybe they're getting desperate, and think that if people trade their videos, and everyone single person who wants one doesn't buy it new from them, they will lose money. The I offered a few tips about advertising on the egroups, and such, so their sales could go up they'd get out of their financial 'hole' they were in. They're probably not in one, but it seemed that way, why then would they be concerend if people were trading videos? Then they stopped ebay from listing them, and then I thought, 'Okay, this is ridiculous. If they're running low on sales, or going out of business, this isn't going to help.' If they will adopt the Gestapo style tactics to hold sales steady, I don't want to buy videos from them.

Now I realize I may have been wrong, (I guess...?) it wasn't lack of business, they were just concerned with piracy, which is an obvious problem. But that seems like punishing the legitimate people for the bad ones mis-deeds. Like, some idiot kid makes an ass of himself on the swing set and hurts himself or someone else, and after that no one can go play on the swing set anymore. Why should everyone else suffer because of what the evil people do? (Boy, that question could start a few threads..)

Look, if you guys make a video with panyhose again, (the nude colored, sheer toe are the best, of course 😎) I'd be hard pressed NOT to buy it. If you incorporated a simple plot like the early tapes had ("Nurse Gione Bad, Student's Body) I'de be even more hard pressed not to purchase one. What ever happened to that tickle movie idea? Why doesn't one of the companies try it, they've got all those stories in the story section....Kittletown, the movie, maybe..?

-The interrogation, maybe?
-Evil, silly tickling Genie, maybe?
-Spy tickling, maybe?
-Eyes wide shut, the tickling version, maybe?
-"Hold that Lion," with females all being tickled instead of the three stooges?
-on that note, "Space Ship Sappy," and "Self Made Maids" also featuring girls?
-A girl who's LOOKING for a tickling...you could do a whole series on that one...

Basically, I think you could increase sales with more videos and better video ideas, not cracking down on us, the customers for the mis-deeds of the few party poopers.

IMHO

Take it to court

They WILL lose! A good lawyer and a contersuit will do wonders. It's not a matter of opinion...you CAN sell you own personal belongings....last I remember we are still in the US with rights. It's as simple as that...fight it if you want because they will lose. ANY lawyer in his right mind would take that case. It's a no brainer. When I purchased my video copies from them they stated nothing about no resale before OR after the purchase.

Chuckster, I'm not one for suing, I'm more inclined to go with Mabus' original idea, especially since the TIB said that he refuses to discuss it anymore. If he were willing to engage in a discussion about it, I might consider giving him the benefit of the doubt, but not now. TIB presented this 95% figure as a "fact" but then ends the discussion, rather than providing proof.

I have never sold anything on ebay, nor have I bought a copy, nor would I. But someday many years from now, I might want to clean out the closet, or have a garage sale, and this hard-line approach by them against long-time loyal customers is something I don't condone. Unfortunately, sometimes to get your point across, you have to hit companies like this in the wallet. Maybe when they realize that this action of theirs causes them to lose more business than a couple of dishonest ebayers, they will be willing to discuss it again.

Until then, I'll miss their videos, but when I get mistreated as a customer, I take my business elsewhere.

No matter how amazing Priscilla is.

I've got a question for all of you. I've never purchased any tickling videos, but don't most movies have either an FBI warning at the beginning, or some sort of a disclaimer that says something along the lines of "This media is for private use only. Yadda Yadda Yadda, no commercial use of this media will be tolerated at any time, yadda yadda and so forth." ? I'm just wondering, because if this is the case, then TC's policy should be nothing new to anybody. TC may just choose to exercise it more than a larger film company that isn't drastically hurt by a few pirated tapes. As far as people selling or keeping copied tapes, nobody can honestly say this kinda stuff doesn't happen. I could care less about TIB's statistics (I'm not even gonna go into the whole Napster/Morpheus/KaZaA thing, because I'm willing to assume most of us, if not all of us are guilty!). Who's innocent versus who's guilty shouldn't even be an issue, because it only takes one freeloading schmuck to ruin it for everyone else. I see all sorts of "Nazi-istic" policy changes everyday caused by one stupid idiot, but hey, that's life, and there isn't much you can do about it. TC is doing what they can. It may suck for the rest of us, but if it bothers you that much, just remember to get knee-deep in somebody's ass if you see them trying to pawn off copies of someone else's work. I doubt any of us honestly care enough to go THAT far, but more power to you if you do. I know I don't plan on raising the sword. I don't blame TC one bit for trying to protect their creative license. Now, I will stop ranting, because I'm probably already coming off as a dick (not my goal or intention, but having the odd opinion just felt right at this very moment.), and I don't wish to be further involved in a debate that's going to be argued indefinitely with no conclusion, when all key points are already out on the table. I apologize if I offended anybody.

Re: merely want to sell a few old videos...

mabus said:

I'm not really gung-ho about re-selling videos. Look, you order a video off the internet. You watch it. It's sucks. Or, it's good, but you get bored with it after a while. You go out and buy another one that you think you'll like. It's okay, or it's great, whatever.

After a while, a few years sometimes, you find you have a lot of videos. You haven't watched some in months or years. You're like, "Man, I got too many of these, I wasted a lot of money. Oh well, I'll just sell the ones I don't want anymore on Ebay, and let someone else enjoy them." They're not brand new, never been played, because they've been watched a few times. The cardboard might be slightly messed up. You obviously will have to sell them for cheaper than you purchased them. You realize you will have a loss, sometimes of a lot of money. You may buy it for $40.00, and only sell it for $15.00...

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I can relate to what mabus is saying here. Often, when I open my closet, I'm concerned that I might be buried by an avalanche of videotapes! In going through my collection for my current eBay auctions, I'm stunned by the number of vids I've accumulated over the past eight years! Some of them I don't even remember buying!

None of us are getting rich by buying these tapes and re-selling them for less than we paid for them...significantly less, in some cases. In my case, I plan on moving in the near-future, and am looking to sell a lot of stuff I've accumulated over the years on eBay and half.com. But my personal reasons are irrelevant to this discussion. The bottom line is that TC Videos has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to hinder the re-sale of tapes that I've paid good money to them for in a public venue such as eBay! And I repeat my earlier statement that, because of their heavy-handedness, I will NEVER buy another video from them. You can count on that! And THAT should concern them because I've bought almost every video they've ever produced! 😎

Flatfoot: The FBI warning refers to the fact that piracy and public exhibition with paid admission are illegal. No one is questioning that. The issue being discussed here is resale of the original tape -- which is entirely legal, and not covered by the FBI warning. eBay clearly agreed to stop auctions of RealTickling's videos because of their assertions about piracy. Whether those are valid is beyond my knowledge. But resale of a purchased original video is protected by law, UNLESS one signs or otherwise explicitly agrees to a contract forbidding such resale AT THE ORIGINAL POINT OF SALE.

If TC wishes to enforce their policy, they might consider including such an agreement in all future transactions. They then would, I believe, have a legal right to ban the resale of all tapes sold after that point.

Such an agreement invades no one's rights: if you don't agree, you don't buy, plain and simple. But it has to actually be an explicit CONTRACT, not a post facto statement by the vendor that contradicts standard copyright law.