Ebay and Tickling Videos

[CDFGA]

...A "good deed" of running his business well?? Hmmm. I thought a "good deed" was when you did something good for others.
And, YES, it IS arrogant to interject a statement (The way TIB did), make your points, then say you won't discuss it further. That is just plain rude.
...I hope their business suffers until they see the errors of their lack of good customer service, and quit trying to tell us what to do with OUR tapes once we OWN them.

 

[Dave2112]

It appears that there is a difference of opinion here, but little else is getting accomplished other than a few folks hashing out thier views, and some of you are getting ugly about it. There is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, but let's not turn this into a war over something that you either agree with or don't. TiB has stated his reasons, and that's that.

It's like the topic of sexual content in Tales From the Asylum. Morandilas has explained his position on this time and time again, and yet it's still brought up constantly. People who are running businesses do so in the way they see fit.

Let's please return to civility.

 

[NYCity]

Re: no good deed goes unpunished.....

And what if TC Vids doesn't respond to the latest round of questions/issues? They'll be (and are being) called, again, arrogant and uncaring/undeserving of their customers. If they do, what can they possibly say that would make people respect their decision to run the business as they see fit and still not bring down another onslaught of criticism? Example: I (and others I know) get pissed everytime I can't get breakfast at 11:01am at McDonalds. They have the food. They have the personel. They have the ability to sell a customer a breakfast just as easily as a burger at any time of the day. Why can't I get one? Simple. They have a business model they've worked out that clearly works well for them. I'm sure that in the end, they make more money this way. Anyone wanna write the CEO and complain to them how unfair it is?

Frink, if you are denied a McDonald's breakfast at 11:01, the money is still in your pocket. You know the rules before paying anything. McDonald's doesn't take your money for the breakfast before telling you, "Sorry, you can only have a hamburger now, but you can't have your money back." Can you imaging if they did, and the CEO, refused to discuss it, because it might cause debate? Would you defend them? G-d forbid, that unfair sales practices be debated.

If Real Tickling wants to change the rules on all future purchases, that's fine, at least the rules will be clear so we, the consumer, can make a clear purchasing decision. What this company has done, is change the rules on on PREVIOUS purchases. When we gave them our hard-earned money (and ALL of my money is hard-earned, whether it is spent on food, rent, videos or anything else) they made no such disclaimer. If they really want to prevent people from selling mass copies of videos, they should at least offer to buy back originals of all previous purchases. THEN, I could live with their e-bay policy. We would all have an outlet to sell, and they'd be giving a money-back guarantee to all customers who are not completely satisfied. Seems that policy goes into quite a few business models.

And I don't buy that McDonald's is a big company and can afford to be ethical. If you're not willing to be ethical, you shouldn't be in business in the first place. If this is the way they treat customers, I and others will continue to boycott them, and they won't be in business that much longer anyway.

But that sure beats a "debate", doesn't it?

Dave, I realize you are a mod now, and I've always respected your opinion, but it seems to me that we should have the right to criticize unfair business practices on PREVIOUS purchases until the company changes its views. I think people are upset, but I disagree that it's gotten ugly.

 

[Chuckster]

I agree NY

That whole Mc Donalds thing...well.....I mean...tell me the rules BEFORE you take my money....then I can make a rational decision for myself. God I wish I never would have even told them that they we're getting ripped off. That's where honesty get's you huh? People are so die hard into their fetishes (or what ever you choose to call it) that they care nothing of their loss of rights on this issue. RT can run their business however they choose. That is NOT the issue here. It's the "buy now and I'll tell you the rules later" that has people up in arms. I also do not think that people have been rude to one another. I think people should have the right to voice thier opinions. (as well as do what they want with what they own)

 

[SuperTickler]

It appears that there is a difference of opinion here, but little else is getting accomplished other than a few folks hashing out thier views, and some of you are getting ugly about it. There is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, but let's not turn this into a war over something that you either agree with or don't. TiB has stated his reasons, and that's that.

Y'know, Dave, back in the '60s, there were people who had the attitude that "The government has stated its reasons for the Viet Nam war and that's that," or "The South has stated its reasons for bigoted laws that discriminate against Blacks and that's that. Boy, some of these protesters are getting ugly about it." Where would this country be if people who disagreed with these policies stopped protesting and meekly went away?

This is a Forum where a diversity of opinion should and must be tolerated and encouraged. This should not be a Forum where the "politically correct" idols are above criticism. I've had this discussion by e-mail with Myriads in the past...this is not "Animal Farm," where "some of the animals are more equal than others." The opinions of those such as you and Frink aren't the only valid opinions because they praise TIB.

TIB has made a couple of business decisions that adversely affect his customers (ironically involving both those who want to sell his videos and those who want to buy his videos). Since he uses this Forum to advertise his products for free (and gets the bandwidth paid for by a competitor--what a deal!), we are certainly within our rights to criticize him. Sooner or later, the issue will peter out. But we have a right to register our complaints with his policies on this Forum until it does! 😎

 

[Dave2112]

First off, I am not praising TiB or TC for their decisions at all. I'm backing their right to make them.

Second, this is tickling videos we're talking about, not the Vietnam War, so let's keep it in perspective. People don't have the same set of standard for every possible contigency, and if they do, then they are very close-minded.

Never once did I say that folks should stop talking about this. What I am saying is that the same points are being made over and over again. You don't agree with someone's stand. That's fine. You are more than entitled to that.

My concern isn't that people are speaking thier minds. I'll defend anyone's right to do that, whether I agree or not. My concern is that this is turning into a lynching. Some folks are making these points in threads where don't even belong. One member stated his displeasure on the E-bay thing in the E-bay thread. Then decided it belonged in the video thread. And the Computer problems thread. Enough. The point has been made. There's a difference between making your point and having a snotty comment about it wherever you can fit it in. (By the way, this is a generalization, so don't think it's directed at you.)

Have your opinions, make your arguements. Then move on.

 

[SuperTickler]

Dave...

While, obviously, TIB's policy on re-selling videos isn't comparable to the Viet Nam war in scale or scope, neither does the criticism of him amount to a "lynching." In fact, it's offensive that you would even use this word in connection with this issue. Lynchings are horrific acts, the brutal hanging of people because of their skin color. Criticizing TIB because he denies people the right to dispose of THEIR property as they wish to doesn't amount to even 1% of what a lynching is.

Businesses are not immune to criticism or customer complaints. Any good business person welcomes customer input as to their practices regarding their customers. The fact that TIB wants to turn a deaf ear to complaints from his CUSTOMERS (definition--people who keep him in business) shows that he's not a good businessman. Everybody who is criticized always wants the person doing the critiquing to "move on"--how many times did we hear that from Clinton during the impeachment process?

I HAVE moved on--to being a former TC customer. I can either communicate my reasons for this to TIB, or not. It's up to him to decide whether or not to listen. 😎

 

[Dave2112]

Perhaps "lynching" was a poor choice of words, and for that, I apologize. Just tryin' to keep the peace here, and tryin' to be as non-partisan as I can. I cannot speak directly for anyone, and I'm not going to try to. I'm sorry you were offended by the lynching reference, as I was offended by the Vietnam generalization. But it's done, and things are okey-dokey with me.

I guess my concern is for the solidarity of the community, that's all. 😎

 

[Marauder]

Good thing this is an open forum, no?

Of course everyone is free to express their oppinions here, as long as we're all nice and civil about it. That's what the TMF is there for, after all. Stay with civil protest, though, please - I see anyone reach for a throwable brick, I'll break out the riot-control ammo. Okay, I'll post something deep and of stern tone. I'll also be ill-tempered about the issue. Then, I'll go cry for Myriads. He'll be civil and calm and resolve the issue without much of a fuss. You don't WANT all that to happen, do ya all? Cool.

 

[CDFGA]

You know, you say "This is about "Tickling videos", not the Viet Nam war, so let's keep it in perspective" Well, this IS a "tickling" web site, not a Viet Nam war site, so I believe it IS quite in perspective.
I could see that comment accurately being made in the "Viet Nam media forum", though.

 

[Prime]

Is'nt this the part of the thread where someone closes it and says theres nothing left to be gained by it before this whine-fest gets any worse? sheeesssshhhh.

 

[tklxprt]

Well THAT part of the thread was about 50 posts ago.

 

[Marauder]

Stop replying and keeping it alive, then...

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH....

Hehe.

 

[Myriads]

Let's summarize:

TC has made two business decisions in the last month:

1) They will act to prevent the resail of their product on public auction sites

2) They will not sell out of the US due to shipping and customs issues.

The merits of these choices aside, TC is a closely owned business that answers to no one but it's owners. They can set any policy they like so long as they are willing to accept the results of that policy. It's their right as the owners of their own company.

TC has stated the reasons for it's choices.

Many customers of TC dislike the choices that TC has made.

Those customers have shown their displeasure in this and other threads. They have made an effort to convey to TC why they feel the choices made by TC are bad. I feel they have made good cases while arguing their side of things.

So TC has informed it's customers, (and thanks to personal correspondence with TC) I know TC has read the concerns of it's customers.

Sounds like everyone has conveyed everything there is to be conveyed.

Customers can only rephrase their dislike of the policy. TC has explained it's choices, and is under no obligation to explain again. If they choose to change policy I'm sure they will announce it in a new thread.

So.... It seems we are done here.

Thread closed. If the topic goes on the road to other threads I'll have it removed there.

Myriads