2 things I'm tired of in tickling clips

[kingmaker]

This is not really the place to complain about it, but they also have a chat I believe

 

[SoleAction]

I am following the discussion with great pleasure !!
Adults who are really interested in tickling and its media implementation are joining in here.
I left the " tmf-chat" after a few short visits. It is a fast-food conversation, typical for today's youth, mainly about tv, film and food.
A chat for active ticklers would be very exciting, where tips and experiences are exchanged and where all's about our topic.

 

[BostonTickling]

I have found over the years that the most popular length by far is definitely between 6 and 8 minutes. I produce longer clips on occasion, but I prefer the shorter ones, not just as a producer, but as a consumer of tickling media. I have also always gone out of my way to price my clips as low as C4S will allow me to

 

[SoleMates]

My guess is that Tommy didn't have a job. Was some rich dude's son or had won a lottery jackpot somewhere along the way.

You are vastly over-estimating how much time it takes to film and produce a clip, as well as under-estimating how much footage you can get out of a shoot.

I guess what I'm saying is it must be nice to be rich, and those rich producers are over saturating the market.

None of us are rich, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

I love how so much of the bitching about this industry is based on total fabrications randomly pulled out of someone's ass, especially given how often producers come on here and try to set the record straight. In one ear and out the ass.

 

[cletus]

so something is bugging me here, I ordered a c4s clip and its not working, emailed c4s and created a ticket, now I have to log in with username and password to check the ticket ? Why ? It was never this way before. Before I got replies right away. I bought one of their clips and its a bad file and want it re sent, why am I subscribing ? What's the point ? I already gave them my sale number. How do I get a direct answer from c4s ?

Whenever I have called them I get what I'm after.

 

[cletus]

SoleMates, I realize you probably aren't very rich. I don't know that I've seen a lot of your material. You don't ring a bell in my mind of being a major producer. But I will ask if paying a model 300 or more, buying cameras, bondage furniture, etc. that all will cost thousands at the end of the day isn't doing very well for yourself, then what is? When I mean rich I mean pulling in at least 200k in Minnesota's metro area, or having several millions of dollars either inherited, won, or worked very hard for.

I am well aware that on a salary of 100k it would be possible to become a producer, but isn't super easy. For me rent is 1350 and I doubt my landlord would appreciate me shooting pornos out of their building, which means I'd be better off a homeowner, which in the Minnesota metro is going to run you more than 1350. So unless you're married and she's willing to go along with the lifestyle, so that you can split that home payment amount in half you will need more than the 70k I make to be able to be a producer. 70k is the median salary in Minnesota's metro area. Now also assuming you have a college loan or a health problem as I do and you also want to be able to retire comfortably someday and still be a producer who lives in a house? I'm guessing that's 125k minimum.

I'm not a 25 year old kid who's only lived in my mom's basement and has no idea what things cost and thus pulls things out of his ass as you say.

I will spell it out more for you. On 70k I can afford my college loan, rent, going out to eat (McDonald's, not a nice place) 2-3 times per week, put 3k into my 401k, and pay my doctor 3k a year for Botox injections to keep my dystonia under control. You know how much I have left out of that 70k? Obviously not 10k or I'd be putting 13k into my 401k.

To buy a house here I'd probably need another 300-400 for all the things that go into homeownership and if I want a solid retirement I'm going to need way more than 3k per year into my 401k. Try more like 15k. There's no way I'm having the lifestyle I want for anything under 100k and then producing porno?

Again I'm pretty sure I looked into cameras and they are a few hundred to potentially thousands if you want some high end stuff. Bondage furniture unless you just use your bed? Again a few thousand, unless you're handy and can make it yourself. Then to be Silver Cherry and shoot like 12 times a year, 3600+ at 300 each, but Tommy at Tickle Abuse who put out a few clips per week? Easily tens of thousands.

Hence despite what your situation might be, I'm pretty sure from the looks of it that Tommy was in NYC where apartments are thousands a month. That would put him in the top 1% of people here in Minnesota. Hence rich. You're not going to convince me unless he shows me his bank account during the time period 2006-2016 when he was active.

 

[kingmaker]

2-3 years ago the number 1 tickling studio on c4s was making 15 - 16k monthly out of c4s. Said studio is working as a team so it is split.
Best solo studios should be around 12 k. But it falls down dramatically for lesser known studios

Of course the highest grossing studios have higher costs because they produce more. The "Richest" producers you will find are the ones that are high in c4s ranking with very few releases, they are basically living off their previous work (and worked hard for it)

 

[kingmaker]

And I think every studio started modestly and filmed with whatever they have.

I started at my parent's, check the old videos of every one.

Your landlord has nothing to know or say about what you are doing in your apartment.
The cost of entry is now quite low, if you don't want to film with a phone you can grab a capable camera for 1000 USD.

The real cost of producing videos is a loss of privacy, be dependent on platforms and this kind of things. Not as easy as it seems and you cannot really pay to win.

 

[hefophre]

I think that people underestimate the difficulty in making content, as basic as this can appear, and overestimate what the creators are earning from it. I bet that if their income and expenses were publicly shared, 99% of them are in the negative - but it isn't because people don't want access to the videos - it is because they do want access, and do view them, without paying.

Whats ironic about it all is that most of these complaints would be solvable if the creators were actually earning money for their effort. They could afford to pay their models more ( and in process find more potential models ), They could potentially charge a lot less ( as a sizable number of people would be purchasing rather than a few and the rest pirating), they could be much more selective in what they release ( not simply using every shoot, even with poor quality content, trying to up-sell subpar material, because they hope to scrape their costs back over the next 10 years ), they could afford better equipment, and better space for higher quality production, and invest more personal time in overall developing their skills, and creativity, that go into their contents.

Instead, most people take the content for free, from many years back, while complaining that it isn't good enough for them.

With the way things are now - the proliferation of pirating and posting these niche contents everywhere, moving it from tickling niche and into other realms, and basically all of the above, I don't see how anyone can even want to create content to make publicly available, or share it in general.

 

[COOLCAT88]

I get it. What my point was is once I've seen this girl in 5+ clips do I need another clip? And then there were the producers like Tickle Abuse who evidently had plenty of money so he had a download everything for $30 site so in that case sure I'll download 10 clips of a model, but when you want $15 for every clip and they are the same girl over and over don't be surprised that they're not selling.

Also, and this is just me assuming I would ever get to a point where I could own a home, make the kind of money where I will be for sure able to retire some day, AND after all that I have the money to become a producer, which knowing what all that cost unless I'd be making way more than 150k I can't see how I could possibly just film a crap load of models as they each want to be paid and that ain't cheap, and how the heck would I have the time for that anyway if I had to work to make 150k+? My guess is that Tommy didn't have a job. Was some rich dude's son or had won a lottery jackpot somewhere along the way.

So then if you are making 130k let's say and you have to usually work 50+ hours a week at a job like that then for me what I'm all about would work because I'd probably only have the time and money to shoot at most 2 vids per month. So then I wouldn't think it would be impossible to find new girls as more of the lineup than someone like Tommy.

I guess what I'm saying is it must be nice to be rich, and those rich producers are over saturating the market.

Well, you have to pay to play. And from the amount of clips Tommy was putting out in TickleAbuse's heyday plus the many models he had, he had the funds to do so...

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

I'm tired of fake laughter and to much talking by the ler

 

[FFT32]

And I think every studio started modestly and filmed with whatever they have.

I started at my parent's, check the old videos of every one.

Your landlord has nothing to know or say about what you are doing in your apartment.
The cost of entry is now quite low, if you don't want to film with a phone you can grab a capable camera for 1000 USD.

The real cost of producing videos is a loss of privacy, be dependent on platforms and this kind of things. Not as easy as it seems and you cannot really pay to win.

Some landlords may have issues with neighboors complaining about the howling laughter coming from the apartment... ;0)