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483 cases of measles in the U.S., in 19 states.

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I thought this was history. I think it almost was….

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/measles-breakthrough-cases-vaccination-important/story?id=120276354

What to know about measles breakthrough cases and why vaccination is still important​

Measles patients with breakthrough cases typically have milder illness.
By Mary Kekatos
March 29, 2025, 7:10 AM

As measles has spread across the United States, the overwhelming majority of cases have been among unvaccinated people or those with unknown vaccination status.

Of the 483 cases reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 97% have been confirmed in those who are unvaccinated or with unknown status.

How contagious is measles? Measles is one of the most contagious viruses known to humans, experts say.

However, a few cases have been confirmed among individuals fully vaccinated with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine.

In Texas, two of the 400 confirmed cases have been among people fully vaccinated. Additionally, a fully vaccinated measles patient was found to have traveled on an Amtrak train in Washington, D.C. -- potentially exposing others while contagious.

Infectious disease experts and vaccinologists told ABC News that breakthrough infections of measles can occur but are rare.

"We know that the measles vaccine is highly effective," Dr. Dan Barouch, the William Bosworth Castle professor of medicine and professor of immunology at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News.

"However, it's not 100%, so a small percentage of people can still develop measles, even if they receive a measles vaccine," he continued. "In most cases, such cases of measles is less severe than in an unvaccinated individual."


How do breakthrough cases happen​

The CDC currently recommends that people receive two doses of the MMR vaccine, the first at ages 12 to 15 months and the second between 4 and 6 years old.

One dose is 93% effective, and two doses are 97% effective, the CDC says. Most people have lifelong immunity against measles when they are fully vaccinated, according to the federal health agency.


One year-old River Jacobs is held by his mother, Caitlin Fuller, while he receives an MMR vaccine from Raynard Covarrubio, at a vaccine clinic put on by Lubbock Public Health Department on March 1, 2025 in Lubbock, Texas.
Jan Sonnenmair/Getty Images
Generally, an unvaccinated person is more likely to be infected with measles than a vaccinated person. One study found an unvaccinated individual was 35 times more likely to contract measles than a vaccinated individual.


However, 97% efficacy means if 100 vaccinated people are exposed to measles, about 3 might still catch it, but 97 will be protected.

Dr. Amy Arrington, division chief of global biologic preparedness at Baylor College of Medicine/Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, said there are two different types of breakthrough cases. The first is called primary vaccine failure, she said.

"That is that small subset of people that just don't form an immune response to the measles vaccine," she told ABC News. "So, after your first dose of the vaccine, it's thought that maybe 7% of people won't have an immune response, and the second shot is thought to really cover most of those people."

Then there is secondary vaccine failure, which is when somebody has an insufficient response to the vaccine over time or waning of the immune response, Arrington said.




MORE: Measles outbreak in Texas is spreading beyond the Mennonite community: Officials



This may occur in older people, who have immune systems that weaken over time.

Dr. Gregory Poland, a vaccinologist and co-director of The Atria Research Institute -- which focuses on disease prevention -- said other reasons for breakthrough cases include someone being genetically predisposed or the MMR vaccine not being stored at the right temperature.

"The reason that people who got one or maybe two doses of vaccine and yet still got infected, I've written extensively about this, is the vaccine might not have been handled properly," he said. "You have to maintain a cold chain, so if it got warmed up or sat out of the refrigerator, they might have gotten ineffective vaccine."


Breakthrough cases are less severe​

Fully vaccinated people who contract measles are less likely to spread the disease to other people and typically have milder illness, according to the CDC.

A 2020 study looking at measles outbreak in the Netherlands in 2013-14 found that the measles vaccine protected against serious illness.
"We know that the measles vaccine is highly effective," Dr. Dan Barouch, the William Bosworth Castle professor of medicine and professor of immunology at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News.


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Skin of a patient after three days with measles rash.
CDC

Of more than 2,400 unvaccinated cases, 14.5% had complications and/or were hospitalized, the study found. Among measles patients who had received two vaccine doses, none developed complications and/or were hospitalized.

Another 2024 study looking at measles cases in the U.S. from 2001 to 2022 also found that breakthrough measles cases tended to have milder disease with fewer complications.

Poland, who was not an author of the paper, said the study found the "classical measles presentation" was not present in about two-thirds of measles patients who received two vaccine doses.

"Complications reduced by 60%, hospitalization reduced by 70%, severe disease reduced by 50%," he said. "If you have gotten vaccinated and you're one of the rare people who develop breakthrough infection, that infection is substantially more mild and less severe with significant decreases in the risk of a complication of hospitalization or even severe disease."


Importance of getting vaccinated​

The experts reiterated that it is very important to get vaccinated because measles is highly contagious.

Measles is one of the most contagious viruses known to humans. Just one infected patient can spread measles to up to nine out of 10 close contacts who aren't immune, according to the CDC.




MORE: Measles vaccinations are increasing in some areas hit hard by cases: Officials



Additionally, measles virus can linger in the air and live on surfaces for up to two hours after an infected person has left a room.

"Measles is one of the most contagious viruses that we know about, so it will spread like wildfire in an unvaccinated population," Barouch said. "Whenever population immunity is less than 95%, then we see outbreaks. … The outbreak will continue to spread as long as a fraction of the population is unvaccinated."

Arrington said it's likely that there will be more breakthrough cases seen in the U.S. as the overall number of cases grow, but it's not a cause for concern.

"As we see case numbers grow, as that denominator gets bigger, we would expect to see breakthrough cases that are occurring in either primary or secondary vaccine failure cases," she said. "It's nothing to be alarmed about, and it's expected because no vaccine is perfect."

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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/500-cases-measles-reported-nationwide-19-states-cdc/story?id=120251851

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With no respect to vaccination choice, related policy, or party politics, the numbers are higher than typical, but not substantial for a disease that is so very contagious in a country of ~340 Million people, and for which, despite its contagiousness, was only fatal to a few hundred people each year even prior to the inception of the measles vaccine. Conversely, the flu, a much less contagious virus, kills tens of thousands every year. Obviously I want all of these numbers to be zero, and growth trends and other data are important. And of course measles can be detrimental to society in other ways besides the risk of death. But a lot of these things are sensationalized by organizations making money from the public's reactions and engagement.

Here's a chart summarizing new measles cases by year (The 2025 data is not updated):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-measles-in-the-us-since-1950/

In any case, I wish everyone no measles and great health. Take care!
 
With no respect to vaccination choice, related policy, or party politics, the numbers are higher than typical, but not substantial for a disease that is so very contagious in a country of ~340 Million people, and for which, despite its contagiousness, was only fatal to a few hundred people each year even prior to the inception of the measles vaccine. Conversely, the flu, a much less contagious virus, kills tens of thousands every year. Obviously I want all of these numbers to be zero, and growth trends and other data are important. And of course measles can be detrimental to society in other ways besides the risk of death. But a lot of these things are sensationalized by organizations making money from the public's reactions and engagement.

Here's a chart summarizing new measles cases by year (The 2025 data is not updated):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-measles-in-the-us-since-1950/

In any case, I wish everyone no measles and great health. Take care!
Exactly! This is why I'll choose reading a scientific study any day of the week compared to whatever fear-mongering bullshit comes out of the mainsteam media's asses. Its like the mainstream media has become TMZ.
 
With no respect to vaccination choice, related policy, or party politics, the numbers are higher than typical, but not substantial for a disease that is so very contagious in a country of ~340 Million people, and for which, despite its contagiousness, was only fatal to a few hundred people each year even prior to the inception of the measles vaccine. Conversely, the flu, a much less contagious virus, kills tens of thousands every year. Obviously I want all of these numbers to be zero, and growth trends and other data are important. And of course measles can be detrimental to society in other ways besides the risk of death. But a lot of these things are sensationalized by organizations making money from the public's reactions and engagement.

Here's a chart summarizing new measles cases by year (The 2025 data is not updated):

https://www.statista.com/statistics/186678/new-cases-of-measles-in-the-us-since-1950/

In any case, I wish everyone no measles and great health. Take care!

The stats you provide are:
1. From an obscure source that asks for an expensive subscription
2. Not from 1950 as you have it written, or as the site provided, but from 1985.

It’s not “fear mongering” but simple science. Nobody I know, vaccinated after 1968 when that became available, has had measles, mumps or rubella — (nobody with polio) — because we were all lucky enough to be vaccinated. Along with the vast majority of Americans.

From Johns Hopkins
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines

We’ve been watching a ridiculously and heartbreakingly unnecessary outbreak due to anti- vaxxing conspiracy theories with no basis in fact or data.

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The stats you provide are:
1. From an obscure source that asks for an expensive subscription
The stats are comparable to CDC data I have reviewed, but presented in a clearer way for those who may be reading this. I don't pay for the site's extended features or anything–I merely wanted a chart that clearly and concisely outlined the data I was familiar with. The accompanying article also essentially supports a lot of your concerns, some, or perhaps even all of which I don't even disagree with.

2. Not from 1950 as you have it written, or as the site provided, but from 1985.
I did not write 1950, nor did the site. Webpage URLs do not always reflect the article within them accurately and are not considered part of the articles. This happens because a lot of platforms store the name of an original article in the database as the page id or similar. Subsequently a publisher to the site may amend the article and/or its title, but the database still uses the old URL based on the stored id name. In fact, this happens so frequently, I usually don't pay attention to the details of a link beyond the domain name, so I didn't notice this one until you mentioned it. It's not a good practice for sure, but widespread nonetheless. Either way, URLs are just technical addresses linking to a page and should be treated as such.

It’s not “fear mongering” but simple science. Nobody I know, vaccinated after 1968 when that became available, has had measles, mumps or rubella — (nobody with polio) — because we were all lucky enough to be vaccinated. Along with the vast majority of Americans.
I think you might be arguing against something I'm not saying here. Something can be both fear-mongering and simple science. They are not mutually exclusive. Broadly speaking, the media thrives off of fear and hate. Sometimes that motivates people to proper action, and sometimes it has the opposite effect due to many people being very emotionally driven and sparking contrarianism. Generations of people have had their trust in authorities and governments greatly damaged, for right and wrong reasons. That growing distrust will lead people to align with figures that feel safer because they appear different. Coming at those individuals with the same emotionally charged messaging they've been receiving is only going to push them deeper into behavior you find disagreeable. De-escalating, sharing, and meeting them where they are at will get you a lot farther than leaning on fear, pressured education and polarization.

Again, I wish everyone good health and happiness. Take care of yourselves and be safe!
 
I think if people are going to pick and choose what data they want to believe, and blame the media rather than looking at the facts. It's their prerogative to get vaccinated or not.

By that same token, if that same person gets really sick or faces certain death, the hospital should likewise have the choice to accept the irresponsible, unvaccinated person or not. Health insurance premiums go up the more that people get sick, and vaccines have been proven to prevent sickness.

So why should my premium go up because of people that refuse to accept science because they believe the media is pushing some narrative, and then expect the health system to clean up their mess when they get really sick, with an illness that could have easily been prevented?
 
I think if people are going to pick and choose what data they want to believe, and blame the media rather than looking at the facts. It's their prerogative to get vaccinated or not.

By that same token, if that same person gets really sick or faces certain death, the hospital should likewise have the choice to accept the irresponsible, unvaccinated person or not. Health insurance premiums go up the more that people get sick, and vaccines have been proven to prevent sickness.

So why should my premium go up because of people that refuse to accept science because they believe the media is pushing some narrative, and then expect the health system to clean up their mess when they get really sick, with an illness that could have easily been prevented?

The problem with people choosing not to get vaccinated is they not only put themselves at risk, but put others at risk as well. Sickness doesn't care about your political beliefs.
 
I think if people are going to pick and choose what data they want to believe, and blame the media rather than looking at the facts. It's their prerogative to get vaccinated or not.

By that same token, if that same person gets really sick or faces certain death, the hospital should likewise have the choice to accept the irresponsible, unvaccinated person or not. Health insurance premiums go up the more that people get sick, and vaccines have been proven to prevent sickness.

So why should my premium go up because of people that refuse to accept science because they believe the media is pushing some narrative, and then expect the health system to clean up their mess when they get really sick, with an illness that could have easily been prevented?

As someone who works in a hospital, not in a clinical role but a support role, and has to deal with all the problem patients coming in, violent psychiatric patients, the homeless just looking for a place to sleep, etc. I think playing the "hospital should be allowed to choose who it treats or not" is a dangerous game in a society where health insurance is already run by some of the biggest criminals in the world. Shoutout to Mangione - making changes.

That's all I really have to say on the issue. I've always gotten my vaccinations, though I stopped after 2 for covid and I'm still alive. Not getting 7 booster shots (obvious overexxageration). Anyway, hospitals are required by federal law under EMTALA to treat and stabilize everyone that comes in requesting treatment. If we get to the point where hospitals can pick and choose who they treat, then those same hospitals shouldn't receive a dime of federal government money, plain and simple. We'll see how long that lasts in a system that is already breaking the healthcare network. Hospitals get down on their knees and open their mouths for some federal money.
 
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