$50 is a piss-poor amount to pay a tickle model

[rhiannon]

I'm not taking this somewhere else. You started the model-photographer-discussion!

As for the single case on here where it was talked about $50 for the model for a tickling clip - I do agree that this is not enough! But hey, there's something like supply and demand! If you can find a model doing it for that amount, why not take the offer? Obviously the model wasn't ticklish - so $50 would have been perfectly alright! 🙂

I don't think there are a lot of people around doing it for that little amount of money. At least none who know what they are doing.

By the way, usually the travel costs will be charged extra!

 

[xSamanthax]

"In my opinion, paying someone $50 to be a tickle model is nothing short of scandalous."

Then pay your models what you think is a fair price. It's really pretty simple.

"In my humble opinion, this is nothing short of completely exploitative, especially given that you would pay $100 minimum to tickle an escort of the same quality of looks and ticklishness."

Then don't do it!

"Why are models so badly paid? £20 an hour seems to be The starting rate in the UK, and some models even do shoots for free to build a "portfolio"!!!"

You would be surprised at what some people will do in order to have the slightest chance at becoming famous, lol.

"So let me get this straight, there are men out there who get to work with very beautiful women and take pictures of them for FREE! Needless to say if you had a tickle fetish or a foot fetish you could satisfy it in this professio with a quick tickle or a shot of a barefoot in the pose."

And what about the model with a tickle fetish? Or the model who is an exhibitionist? She is getting her fetish satisfied too. Sounds like a win/win to me!

"What's worse, some women will even PAY a photographer to take pictures of them! Hundreds of pounds in some case."

Mmmmm, yes. Just like you pay a photographer to take family photos or photos of your wedding. That is how photographers make their living...by providing a service. If the model needs professional photos for their portfolio - to advance their career - then they need to pay for that or make some arrangement to compensate the photographer (letting him use the negatives for example).

"Does anyone else have any opinions on this. Surely women (and male models) deserve to be paid more - especially given that most won't work with any great frequency and regularity."

The fact that most won't work with any great regularity is what makes small model fees acceptable. It's not the model's main source of income.

And there are other benefits to be had, beyond simple cash in your pocket. Experience, quality photos that can be used to get more modeling jobs down the road, etc.

Speaking only for myself....I got so much (on a personal level) out of my video shoots that it very quickly became about the experience, rather than the money.

Bottom line: It's a free market. If a model wants to work for exposure, more power to her. If a model wants to demand several hundred dollars per shoot, more power to her. As long as the terms are negotiated up front and everyone involved agrees to it - more power to them.

Edited to add: Even at 50.00 - for say a 1 hour shoot - that is 50.00 an hour. I don't make that much in my regular job - and I have 20 years experience.

 

[Babyshambles]

Thank you for the very well considered post.

Market forces should not be disrupted, and I never thought of the exhibitionist model being satisfied too.

Win-win, indeed perhaps. Especially as a second income with the possibility of becoming famous.

Okay, maybe $50 is not so bad. But I'm not sure I like it.

"In my opinion, paying someone $50 to be a tickle model is nothing short of scandalous."

Then pay your models what you think is a fair price. It's really pretty simple.

"In my humble opinion, this is nothing short of completely exploitative, especially given that you would pay $100 minimum to tickle an escort of the same quality of looks and ticklishness."

Then don't do it!

"Why are models so badly paid? £20 an hour seems to be The starting rate in the UK, and some models even do shoots for free to build a "portfolio"!!!"

You would be surprised at what some people will do in order to have the slightest chance at becoming famous, lol.

"So let me get this straight, there are men out there who get to work with very beautiful women and take pictures of them for FREE! Needless to say if you had a tickle fetish or a foot fetish you could satisfy it in this professio with a quick tickle or a shot of a barefoot in the pose."

And what about the model with a tickle fetish? Or the model who is an exhibitionist? She is getting her fetish satisfied too. Sounds like a win/win to me!

"What's worse, some women will even PAY a photographer to take pictures of them! Hundreds of pounds in some case."

Mmmmm, yes. Just like you pay a photographer to take family photos or photos of your wedding. That is how photographers make their living...by providing a service. If the model needs professional photos for their portfolio - to advance their career - then they need to pay for that or make some arrangement to compensate the photographer (letting him use the negatives for example).

"Does anyone else have any opinions on this. Surely women (and male models) deserve to be paid more - especially given that most won't work with any great frequency and regularity."

The fact that most won't work with any great regularity is what makes small model fees acceptable. It's not the model's main source of income.

And there are other benefits to be had, beyond simple cash in your pocket. Experience, quality photos that can be used to get more modeling jobs down the road, etc.

Speaking only for myself....I got so much (on a personal level) out of my video shoots that it very quickly became about the experience, rather than the money.

Bottom line: It's a free market. If a model wants to work for exposure, more power to her. If a model wants to demand several hundred dollars per shoot, more power to her. As long as the terms are negotiated up front and everyone involved agrees to it - more power to them.

Edited to add: Even at 50.00 - for say a 1 hour shoot - that is 50.00 an hour. I don't make that much in my regular job - and I have 20 years experience.

 

[rhiannon]

Exactly! They are told before the shooting what they are expected to do. If they think $50 is enough, then I don't see why the photographer should offer more! If the baker offers me bread for 2 bucks, why would I give him 10? 🙂

What Samantha says is another way to look at it...there might be models out there who actually like it....so they have fun AND get paid...couldn't be better!!

 

[RavenMoon]

And what about the model with a tickle fetish? Or the model who is an exhibitionist? She is getting her fetish satisfied too. Sounds like a win/win to me!

I am not a professional by any means, though I model and I stand behind the lens. I am a hobbyist on both accounts. I do not pay my models. I can not afford to. But I am also not selling my products as well.

I exchange services. My models get a session tailored around their desires with full negotiation up front. They then get final say in the photos afterwards. They also get a copy of the work for their own use.

I get a set of erotic pieces to add to my portfolio as well as practice time with a submissive. I also get word of mouth to back up my reputation for if I do decide to start professionally shooting and go pro Domina.

The other photographers I have posed for have been similar in the fact that they are trying to build a reputation and business in a harsh market. When you are starting out, you cannot afford to shell out big bucks for experienced models. You work with what you have and often that means you exchange services. You help a model build her portfolio while you build yours as well.

Its been an interesting thread... and I agree, there are many attrocities in the modeling world, but many of those are created by models as well...

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

i once offered a girl $100.00 if i could tickle her feet sadly she had said no. I even broke it down $50.00 per foot. $10.00 per toe, etc she actually said aww thats cute you really want to tickle my feet that badly. I said YES She then thought about it for about 30 seconds and said no again but said again that is was very cute of me to offer

 

[Wildben]

i'd let someone tickle me for 50quid! or 50dollars.

it can't be a full time job anyway can it? it's a bit of part time work for most i guess, 50dollars for an hours workout doesn't sound bad to me

 

[LeeAllure]

I pay women and men ~$50/hour to tickle them on video.
I don't require them to be naked or the women to be topless.
If I did, I'd pay them more. Some of them are more ticklish than
others. Most of mine are local people, or people off the street,
so to speak, I run into who are ticklish.

If they don't want to make $50, they don't have to. As Samantha
said, most regular jobs don't pay that well per hour, and a lot of
college students just want to make some extra money for their
weekend. If they are not interested, they don't have to do it.

And even though I'm selling these clips, I put time and effort and
equipment into making the videos,and in trying to make them better
each time. I'm happy to break even for now, without paying myself
anything for my time. Think on that. I'm sure there are video
makers who do far better, with updating almost constantly and
making that their life.

I think if you expect to run a business where you pay a model
$200/hour for making tickling videos, you'd need to make sure
that the buyers are also willing to pay a premium for the clip.

Lee

 

[Babyshambles]

On a side note, I find it perfectly acceptable that a woman would pay $50 for an hour to tickle, but not for a man to pay $50 - why is that?

I guess I trust women more when it comes to tickling!

huh - how odd!

 

[milagros317]

If they don't want to make $50, they don't have to. As Samantha
said, most regular jobs don't pay that well per hour, and a lot of
college students just want to make some extra money for their
weekend. If they are not interested, they don't have to do it.

That's exactly the point. There is nothing wrong with offering adults a job that involves nothing illegal for $50 per hour. If they don't want to do it, then all they have to do is nothing, that is, not take the job.

 

[rhiannon]

On a side note, I find it perfectly acceptable that a woman would pay $50 for an hour to tickle, but not for a man to pay $50 - why is that?

Maybe because there is that little underlying thought of prostitution if a man does it....and most think of prostitution as being exploitation of the woman! If a woman pays the $50, the prostitution-thought might fall away.

 

[DJ Tickler]

Wow…talk about heated argument!

I work in the entertainment industry and I deal/have dealt with models a lot, sometimes having to get naked with them. There have even been times when a good looking model and myself are in a bathroom having to get painted up and rubbing the paint over ourselves!! But professionalism and the fact you both need to get ready stops you getting “turned on”.

My friend is a professional photographer and he would be quiet insulted if he heard that you think he gets turned on when doing his job. IT’S A JOB!!!! He is too focused on getting the perfect picture then “copping a feel”. Besides, as it has been said, this is a big no-no in the industry and word would get around.

As for the actual amount of money…$50ph is pretty damn good if you are just starting out.
I use to DJ for $18ph, now I don’t even get out of bed for anything less then $65ph, and when I do things through my own company its for nothing less then $100ph. The reason I can charge these monies is because I’ve got the skills and built up a reputation, the same in the modeling industry (which I was also in). When you have the backing, then you get the rates.
That being said though, it also depends if you go through an agency or just hire someone off the street. If I want a model through an agency I have to pay the rates (but here’s the punch line) after the agency has taken their cut the models end up with almost the same amount as apposed if I hired them directly!

There are shisters out there who do exploit the “wannabe” stars but I think you had a HUGE generalization about this issue. I can only assume you have had a bad experience or you are talking about something you haven’t research completely.

Just my two cents worth

DJ Tickler

 

[rhiannon]

As for the actual amount of money…$50ph is pretty damn good if you are just starting out.

I would once again like to say it depends. 🙂
For a regular photoshooting without any touching or stuff like that, it is a lot of money! Most don't pay that much, if anything, thinking about TfP, especially if the model has no experience!

For a fetish video where you get tied down and tickled, I am sure you could ask more. But if you don't, fine!

Then, I think the majority of girls who are in tickling clips don't even do it regularly, maybe once or twice, and have never done it before. As LeeAllure says, she is mostly getting people who are around her.

Only very few clips have actually "models" in them. And I am sure those ask more than $50!

 

[leechmaster]

Supply and demand. No model is being forced to do it. If the person needs the money that badly, they should have considered choosing another profession where the service can be reliably measured in financial figures. Which of course requires the corresponding education and training to raise your fair market value. It's as easy as that.

 

[Redmage]

But the average escort is paid 500% more than an average model. Why is this the case?

Because the average escort gets naked in front of strangers and puts various parts of their bodies into various parts of hers.

A tickling model who works nude gets paid more. Likewise for any video involving sexual contact.

 

[Tortuga]

It isn't that way with all companies. I have a rate for myself actually. And to make it fair I charge $50/hr for any kind of fetish session with clothes, but if I am naked $100/hr. And this isn't just for video production, it is for photography as well. I've done shoots that lasted up to 5 hours at a time. So you may consider my cheap, but I think of it as fair. Sandrock is right it isn't a true profession, it is a freelance job.