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Kalamos
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I don't know how much you guys care about my opinion, on this particular matter, but I would like to stress a point nerrad made.
You don't have to advertise adult art in your portfolio.
You could go by different names.
I do. I did vanilla stuff before tackling tickling pics under a pseudonym.
If you are worried about worlds colliding, try working through paypal or something.
Publishers won't be stalking you anyway.
They need personal datas for tax and revenue infos, but you can agree with them on something that preserves your anonymity somewhat.
Paid adult pics are as likely to come haunting you later in your life, as free pics are.
It's pointless to say "I won't do adult jobs cause it might be bad rep for me" once people know your name and face already.
Just a thought.
You don't have to advertise adult art in your portfolio.
You could go by different names.
I do. I did vanilla stuff before tackling tickling pics under a pseudonym.
If you are worried about worlds colliding, try working through paypal or something.
Publishers won't be stalking you anyway.
They need personal datas for tax and revenue infos, but you can agree with them on something that preserves your anonymity somewhat.
Paid adult pics are as likely to come haunting you later in your life, as free pics are.
It's pointless to say "I won't do adult jobs cause it might be bad rep for me" once people know your name and face already.
Just a thought.
Celtic_Emperor
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Since I'm being addressed, I feel the need to respond.
First, everything nerrad is saying is true. However, I am not stressed out or complexed about the issue. I already knew what he was saying and have all that knowledge beforehand without having to have his years of experience (it just occurs to me as common sense which is why I appriciate his experience, it feels like a sort of compatibility), but that does not change the fact that a tickling comic would be the first work. I think thats what I and anime316 were getting at. Doing the work and having people know about it down the line isn't the problem at all. I wouldn't care.
It was simply wanting your first work to not be fetish related, simply by preference. I already said that if I had another gig(s) before this one I may have pursued his offer. It depends really.
It was really just the principle of personal taste in your first gig. That's what the discussion was about. It would not be hard at all for me or others to do what Ness and others have done by drawing the covers, illustrations, etc, of fetish magazines. The commitment is rather small, as is the term and audiance, such that most people could handle it and it would be their choice whether to call that professional work or not or deem it personally as such and therefore exclude it from their resume not because of embarassement but because it does not warrant being there.
To oblesklk's credit, his offer was much more grand than merely having your work on a cover and getting your 15 minutes of fame. He's actually offering someone a full-time job opportunity for an entire comic that will be completely under their control (thereabouts). I don't feel it's right to compare it to a short gig, and therefore it IS truely professional work that you should want to put on your resume, which is what brought me to my personal conclusion that I could not accept his offer. Had it been an offer to draw a cover (or even more than that) it would not have been a big deal at all.
The matter was about wanting or not wanting to do that as your first official gig, period. That's the only point I was making. The rest of what I said was hypothetical and wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
On principle, I'm sure many people would not want to start off that way either, unless they were fetishists themselves and were somehow completely devoted to this genre of sub-culture comics, and therefore didn't care. That, or they're indifferent, and will simply take whatever job comes their way first.
First, everything nerrad is saying is true. However, I am not stressed out or complexed about the issue. I already knew what he was saying and have all that knowledge beforehand without having to have his years of experience (it just occurs to me as common sense which is why I appriciate his experience, it feels like a sort of compatibility), but that does not change the fact that a tickling comic would be the first work. I think thats what I and anime316 were getting at. Doing the work and having people know about it down the line isn't the problem at all. I wouldn't care.
It was simply wanting your first work to not be fetish related, simply by preference. I already said that if I had another gig(s) before this one I may have pursued his offer. It depends really.
It was really just the principle of personal taste in your first gig. That's what the discussion was about. It would not be hard at all for me or others to do what Ness and others have done by drawing the covers, illustrations, etc, of fetish magazines. The commitment is rather small, as is the term and audiance, such that most people could handle it and it would be their choice whether to call that professional work or not or deem it personally as such and therefore exclude it from their resume not because of embarassement but because it does not warrant being there.
To oblesklk's credit, his offer was much more grand than merely having your work on a cover and getting your 15 minutes of fame. He's actually offering someone a full-time job opportunity for an entire comic that will be completely under their control (thereabouts). I don't feel it's right to compare it to a short gig, and therefore it IS truely professional work that you should want to put on your resume, which is what brought me to my personal conclusion that I could not accept his offer. Had it been an offer to draw a cover (or even more than that) it would not have been a big deal at all.
The matter was about wanting or not wanting to do that as your first official gig, period. That's the only point I was making. The rest of what I said was hypothetical and wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
On principle, I'm sure many people would not want to start off that way either, unless they were fetishists themselves and were somehow completely devoted to this genre of sub-culture comics, and therefore didn't care. That, or they're indifferent, and will simply take whatever job comes their way first.
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Celtic_Emperor
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The only thing that frustrates me about this is his offer is wonderful and gracious and something I (and others) may never personally experience in this community again, yet, my idealism won't let me accept it.
Here I have the opportunity to cement my legacy here in this community (in a way very few ever have or will), and a true challenge worthy of my effort, and I'm letting someone else have it simply because I don't want my first work to be fetish related.
I feel both burdened and relieved at the same time. LOL! ^__^
Here I have the opportunity to cement my legacy here in this community (in a way very few ever have or will), and a true challenge worthy of my effort, and I'm letting someone else have it simply because I don't want my first work to be fetish related.
I feel both burdened and relieved at the same time. LOL! ^__^
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juggernaut
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Well, if it's just personal taste, that's fine. I was simply stating that whether you're drawing portraits or fetish stuff, if you're dealing with someone professional, it's good experience. Not to mention that although the world seems like a giant place, you'll see that businesses and niches are surprisingly small circles. You could do a cover here or there and have your name spread to the point where maybe you're doing one piece a week for someone, or maybe one piece a month for four different people. Say it's a measly $50 per piece. $200/month would pay most people's car insurance, or maybe car payment, I don't know. If you own a home, right there's about four electric bills+. Whatever. I guess I assume from the pages and pages of threads about art here that a few of you would actually like to make this a part of your livelihood. At that point, your talent becomes a means to an end, and when easy money comes along like that, someone should grab it.
I always wondered what it would be like to be the guy who sits and does layouts for porn catalogs. With a matter of fact/been there, seen that attitude, you have to access all these hundreds of photos. Then you have to creatively design pages around people boinking, etc. And when you think it looks pretty good, you have to take it to your boss and see what they think. And if it's a go, you call a printer and go over and stand in front of everyone during a press check and mark it up with a grease pencil and make comments like "Their skin is to red here and there's too much blue in the semen on the facial on page 23". If you're the printer, you could have church calendars on the press in the morning and something like that in the afternoon. And I've never walked into a printer where they showcase porn catalogs on the walls. They do it, but they don't talk about it. It's just money to them.
Trust me, I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything. Do what your comfortable with. But your first big break may not come when you expect it to and you may have opportunities in the mean time for money or learning. That's all. I wouldn't sweat the anonymity, though. $600 is the cutoff or reporting it. If someone pays you less than $600 per year, that's a non issue. If they pay more than that, you get a 1099 form from them stating what you made. It's not itemized that you did fetish art. They could have paid you $800 to cut the grass that year. Nobody on the planet would know the difference.
And with that, I rest my case.
I always wondered what it would be like to be the guy who sits and does layouts for porn catalogs. With a matter of fact/been there, seen that attitude, you have to access all these hundreds of photos. Then you have to creatively design pages around people boinking, etc. And when you think it looks pretty good, you have to take it to your boss and see what they think. And if it's a go, you call a printer and go over and stand in front of everyone during a press check and mark it up with a grease pencil and make comments like "Their skin is to red here and there's too much blue in the semen on the facial on page 23". If you're the printer, you could have church calendars on the press in the morning and something like that in the afternoon. And I've never walked into a printer where they showcase porn catalogs on the walls. They do it, but they don't talk about it. It's just money to them.
Trust me, I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything. Do what your comfortable with. But your first big break may not come when you expect it to and you may have opportunities in the mean time for money or learning. That's all. I wouldn't sweat the anonymity, though. $600 is the cutoff or reporting it. If someone pays you less than $600 per year, that's a non issue. If they pay more than that, you get a 1099 form from them stating what you made. It's not itemized that you did fetish art. They could have paid you $800 to cut the grass that year. Nobody on the planet would know the difference.
And with that, I rest my case.
Celtic_Emperor
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And a very powerful case it is. You're preaching to the choir, my friend. I do not doubt anything you are saying and a person would be a fool not to take your advice. 🙂
I think we should all rest our cases. I only responded to you to add clarification, but if people keep saying things to me, I see no way to get out of this without ignoring them (even though I don't want to do that).
I'm trying to be as considerate for this thread and oblesklk's business here as I can be, without underminding it. This side-bar conversation, without him in it any longer, seems kind of rude to me. I don't know how others feel about that.
The feeling I get is that it's like having a chat in your boss's office with your co-workers while he sits there at his desk watching you and you are completely oblivious to his even being in the room, and he's sitting there wondering whether either when you're gonna leave or get back to the business you walked into his office to discuss.
The conversation has merit, because he obliged me(us) and participated at one point, but now it is no longer self-contained and I think we need to try and limit this thread's use until he either returns or is through here.
I feel like we're not letting this man do his job somehow, by talking about something that is almost completely unrelated to his being here. Aren't we underminding his mission?
Or am I simply being TOO considerate of him?
I think we should all rest our cases. I only responded to you to add clarification, but if people keep saying things to me, I see no way to get out of this without ignoring them (even though I don't want to do that).
I'm trying to be as considerate for this thread and oblesklk's business here as I can be, without underminding it. This side-bar conversation, without him in it any longer, seems kind of rude to me. I don't know how others feel about that.
The feeling I get is that it's like having a chat in your boss's office with your co-workers while he sits there at his desk watching you and you are completely oblivious to his even being in the room, and he's sitting there wondering whether either when you're gonna leave or get back to the business you walked into his office to discuss.
The conversation has merit, because he obliged me(us) and participated at one point, but now it is no longer self-contained and I think we need to try and limit this thread's use until he either returns or is through here.
I feel like we're not letting this man do his job somehow, by talking about something that is almost completely unrelated to his being here. Aren't we underminding his mission?
Or am I simply being TOO considerate of him?
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oblesklk1
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For what it's worth, thanks for the comments about the thread going on bizarre tangents. I don't take such things personally; I've been on the net too long to not realize it's all just an exercise in streams of consciousness...but I digress.
To those that do not want their first engagement to be an adult/fetishistic one, I can definitely respect that. If the issue were as simple as "I don't want nude pictures in my portfolio" that has easily been circumvented by anyone whose ever worked with us. But with you two, it's something else entirely. It's good to be honest about your expectations and where you're at in life. Much better to hear about it now, instead of seven months from now when we've both signed contracts and up against a deadline 🙂
I've been in contact with several more artists both within and outside the community. Some of that contact may have originated from the aforementioned streams of consciousness bumping, so perhaps all things happen for a reason. Regardless, I'm feeling much better about this project already, and it's entirely possible I may start the fantasy theme, plus one more. It depends on what I have to work with when the day is done.
I just like putting people to work that like to work. Gives us all a good feeling.
This is a great quote, and I couldn't agree more. This would not be a job that will get you that summer home in Maui you've always wanted; but at least it could be a stepping stone to get you there.
To those that do not want their first engagement to be an adult/fetishistic one, I can definitely respect that. If the issue were as simple as "I don't want nude pictures in my portfolio" that has easily been circumvented by anyone whose ever worked with us. But with you two, it's something else entirely. It's good to be honest about your expectations and where you're at in life. Much better to hear about it now, instead of seven months from now when we've both signed contracts and up against a deadline 🙂
I've been in contact with several more artists both within and outside the community. Some of that contact may have originated from the aforementioned streams of consciousness bumping, so perhaps all things happen for a reason. Regardless, I'm feeling much better about this project already, and it's entirely possible I may start the fantasy theme, plus one more. It depends on what I have to work with when the day is done.
I just like putting people to work that like to work. Gives us all a good feeling.
This is a great quote, and I couldn't agree more. This would not be a job that will get you that summer home in Maui you've always wanted; but at least it could be a stepping stone to get you there.
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oblesklk said:
You're welcome. If it were me I would have also appriciated any effort, even if in vain. 🙂
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I could not agree more. It is completely unprofessional to spring something like that on an employer much later. Likewise, I think it's the employer's responsibility to be as discriptive of their expecations as possible. Some employers want to see how far an employee can be tried, and thats just wrong too.
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I'm very glad to hear that. Most mag advertizements here get bumped down far too prematurely. Being that your thread is so much more than that, it would have been a shame for it to suffer the same way.
Kalamos
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We've received quite a bit of interest lately in expanding our comic lines, and I'm really excited about how things are going to turn out. I had originally just intended on keeping up The Agencies and The Cyriaan Chronicles as they are right now, but I am also considering doing a Cyriaan Chronicles spinoff based on the same universe, but following the same characters, as well as a brand new comic line.
We're still in the beginning stages, and it will probably be about 4-6 months before we would have anything final to share.
But thanks for your guys' support, it's nice to be a part of the artistic community here (even though I personally can't draw a straight line with a ruler...)
We're still in the beginning stages, and it will probably be about 4-6 months before we would have anything final to share.
But thanks for your guys' support, it's nice to be a part of the artistic community here (even though I personally can't draw a straight line with a ruler...)
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You are always welcome here. 🙂
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Real good to see you're doing so well, oblesklk! Maybe one day I'll be at the level of the folks you hire and I can come scrounging around for a job. =^_^=
I'm positive you don't remember me but I had a chat or two with you yeeeeaaaaaars ago (when I was using a slightly different name). You used to host a weekly chat on AOL that I sat in on a few times. Being a lone 16 or 17 year old girl in a sea of...well...you get the picture. It was an uncomfortable place to be. XD You were already a bigshot in the community (as it was) back then and I remember being honored to have a chat with you. XD
random thoughts from the mind of nessie XP
I'm positive you don't remember me but I had a chat or two with you yeeeeaaaaaars ago (when I was using a slightly different name). You used to host a weekly chat on AOL that I sat in on a few times. Being a lone 16 or 17 year old girl in a sea of...well...you get the picture. It was an uncomfortable place to be. XD You were already a bigshot in the community (as it was) back then and I remember being honored to have a chat with you. XD
random thoughts from the mind of nessie XP
nessonite1
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LOL you did indeed. You warned me to keep a low profile in the AOL chats which is quite wise considering the wolves who can frequent things like that. Or at least, otherwise normal people who turn into wolves at the sight of a young girl appearing.
I didnt expect you to remember, especially since the ending of my name was different XD It was cool for me though as it was my first attempt to talk in any way about tk stuff with other people. ^^
I didnt expect you to remember, especially since the ending of my name was different XD It was cool for me though as it was my first attempt to talk in any way about tk stuff with other people. ^^
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I don't know this person's availablity, or if they'd be willing or anything, but this guys does incredibly high-quality art, and much of it is very sensual. You might want to contact him. His webpage is:
http://www.reiq.ws/
http://www.reiq.ws/
oblesklk1
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Do I love bumping year and a half old threads for fun? Maybe :super_hap
Quick update on everything. Seems that issue 5 of Cyriaan Chronicles is cursed. After talking with a dozen or so people, I hired an outside firm to tackle the job. The comic was deplorable. The resultant artwork was immediately deleted, burned, shredded and shipped out to space (in that order)
Then I hired another artist to do the issue from scratch. I've attached his work to this post. I was feeling rather good about it. It was cartoony, lighthearted, and he brought a good feel to everything. Then all of a sudden a family emergency pulls him out of the project permanently. It happens.
So the issue has been attempted twice, with two failed attempts on record. I'm still looking for someone to either continue the series, or work with me to develop a brand new comic line I've had in my head for some time now. The Agencies and The Ruthless are both serious in tone, I'd like to try my hand at something much more silly, lighthearted, and just good fun.
If you're interested, PM me. I'd love to work with someone within the tickling community. Or if you know someone else whose looking for work, and would love to take on a project like this, feel free to pass on their information.
Quick update on everything. Seems that issue 5 of Cyriaan Chronicles is cursed. After talking with a dozen or so people, I hired an outside firm to tackle the job. The comic was deplorable. The resultant artwork was immediately deleted, burned, shredded and shipped out to space (in that order)
Then I hired another artist to do the issue from scratch. I've attached his work to this post. I was feeling rather good about it. It was cartoony, lighthearted, and he brought a good feel to everything. Then all of a sudden a family emergency pulls him out of the project permanently. It happens.
So the issue has been attempted twice, with two failed attempts on record. I'm still looking for someone to either continue the series, or work with me to develop a brand new comic line I've had in my head for some time now. The Agencies and The Ruthless are both serious in tone, I'd like to try my hand at something much more silly, lighthearted, and just good fun.
If you're interested, PM me. I'd love to work with someone within the tickling community. Or if you know someone else whose looking for work, and would love to take on a project like this, feel free to pass on their information.
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