Answer me honestly, gentlemen....

[drew70]

Allow me to be the first to officially apologize to Jami for not noticing the extra efforts she takes to make herself beautiful here on the forum.

 

[Italian_Touch]

Modern human males show their "reproductive fitness" in other ways: more like confidence, power, social status, and money.

Whoa! I actually haven't focused on this comment!
This is the horrible commercial attitude (which is unfortunately not so uncommon) at the basis of many disfunctional affective lives. This is all the crap that TV shows feed us with, trying to convince us that it is an acceptable way of thinking and to reassure people who are stuck in this primordial instinctual phase that they are actually right (crap series like Sex and the City or Desperate Housewives... you know, all stories of unsuccesfull disfuctional women in their 40s without a life... represented as modern heroines)

If I find that a girl is looking at my buttocks and she's not interested in what she's seeing but actually weighting my pocket money I make sure she'll find her way out of my house pretty quickly.
And, btw, if my fitness is based on my money, I would be authorized to buy someone attention if looks pretty, and then dump her... mmmhhh...
sound like a *****-at-spirit attitude from both sides 🙁

I am not saying that financial stability is something woman do not consider in a guy (and, nowadays it could be reciprocate). But it is not a parameter. It is one of the indicators of the kind of person you are dealing with.

I hope that you phrased that sentence badly, otherwise I am very sorry for you.

 

[Redmage]

Whoa! I actually haven't focused on this comment!
This is the horrible commercial attitude (which is unfortunately not so uncommon) at the basis of many disfunctional affective lives.

Unfortunately it's not just TV. Lindy was pointing to a common social standard: Women are judged by how they look. Men are judged by how much they make. She's not saying that's how it should be, but that's how it is. It goes back to the old social institutions that said that a man was responsible for his family's income and support, while a woman was responsible for taking care of the home and kids. With these standards in mind we can hardly blame women for looking for men who can best support them and their children. Times have changed, but social attitudes move like glaciers.

Henry Kissinger is no great shakes in the looks department, but he was often seen with a pretty (and much younger) lady on his arm. Asked why, he remarked "Power is the greatest aphrodesiac."

I saw an ad for a singles service once that I thought captured these social attitudes perfectly. It read, "Meet Beautiful Women and Handsome, Successful Men!" Those people knew exactly what their target market was looking for.

So don't blame Lindy. She's just the messenger.

And, btw, if my fitness is based on my money, I am authorized to buy your attention if you look pretty, and then let you go... mmmhhh... sound like a *****-at-spirit...

My friend, I sincerely hope that the "you" in that sentence is generic. If you're directing it at Lindy in particular, then we need to have a talk. Or as you said...

I hope that you phrased that sentence VERY badly, otherwise I am very sorry for you.

 

[Italian_Touch]

Henry Kissinger is no great shakes in the looks department, but he was often seen with a pretty (and much younger) lady on his arm. Asked why, he remarked "Power is the greatest aphrodesiac."

I saw an ad for a singles service once that I thought captured these social attitudes perfectly. It read, "Meet Beautiful Women and Handsome, Successful Men!" Those people knew exactly what their target market was looking for.

So don't blame Lindy. She's just the messenger.

My friend, I sincerely hope that the "you" in that sentence is generic. If you're directing it at Lindy in particular, then we need to have a talk. Or as you said...

1. OMG!!! YES!!!!! "You" was GENERIC in all the means!!!! I do apologize and clear the doubts: she made a point. I replied to that point and it was NOT PERSONAL at all.

2. I know what you mean about Kissinger and the ads. Just have a look at the craigslist and you ahve an idea of how much sadness there is in this world (and wonder why some woman cannot find a single soul that want to get a bit closer...). Now, leaving the "politically correct" attitude behind for a second: what do you really think of those woman (like the one that married the 90+ yo rich guy and it is now bothering the supreme court)? And, I would add, what do you think of those MAN who reduce themselves to use green bills as aphrodisiacs?


PS. I phrased it wrong and tried to edit it better. I also try my best but I do have a language barrier... Thanks for the catch, Redmage.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Appreciated but those high heeled shoes have got to go.
They destroy the feet.Cause massive pain for you gals and deform the feet to the point of causing damage to the point that the feet become all defored and may require surgery.
They are medevil torture devices and should be thrown away and never placed on the female foot again!
The female foot is a thing of ticklish beauty and needs to be carressed and tickled and taken care of.

AS for the rest....manicures, pedicures, makeup(ya all don't need too much of the makeup either) plucking, shaving and waxing...etc is greatly appreciated but is not something (at least as far as I am concerned) demanded because most women(at least my love) is beautiful just the way she is, however we (I) love everything and every inch of her and what she does to make herself who and what she is(and the rest of you women too for that matter).

 

[AquaFeline]

I dunno. If a girl spends 2 or 3 hours on makeup nails etc. and all they get is a vague "you look nice" is that worth it? Never has been for me.

 

[BellaRisa]

They must all be intimidated by me.

I think the word is 'repulsed', but we can go with intimidated if it gets you through the lonely times ... 🙄

 

[tulipangel]

I don't think ALL women go through what we do go through to look better then other women. Some do, not all!
I spend time on looking good cause its important to not look like a slob! Spending 3 hours to put make up on and do your hair is a bit long unless you have a huge party and have a salon doing it for you. I think every woman and man should take pride in how they look! Its nice to look in the mirror and think "wow, I look pretty hot today"!
When I used to date women, they had to be well kept! I wouldnt have dated them if they didnt.... Its IMPORTANT to wax, shave, make up, do your hair! VERY IMPORTANT!

 

[isabeau]

I think the word is 'repulsed', but we can go with intimidated if it gets you through the lonely times ... 🙄

lololololol great answer....

TTD that was a very eloquent post..

isabeau

 

[phfttklr]

I've told all my ex-gf's that I appriciate what they have to go through day to day. I know when I have to shave every day and think , I'm damn glad I don't have many other spots to shave and know for sure that I wouldn't put hot wax anywhere, lol.
My last ex wouldn't let me watch when she got ready to go out but I found it sexy to watch a her fix herself up ( actually I told her she didn't need any makeup ) of course this just lead to a "yeah right". If you know who the brunette from TV Angie Harmon is, she looked like her.
I often wonder if women do it more for other women than for us.

Hey TTD, *Archie Bunker impression* "shhhhhhhhushh up, you"! Seriously,I agree with them wearing heels all the time will kill the feet and back, but from time to time it is DEFINITELY appreciated 😉

I heard a comedian say "I think women should wear heels even in the shower ...that would be hhhhhhhot"

 

[Goodieluver]

I do appreciate it but sometimes it goes far beyond extreme

IMO, i see nothing attractive in seeing sorority girls dressin like skanks and have skin thats oranged because they tan every day.

 

[TickledToDeath]

I've told all my ex-gf's that I appriciate what they have to go through day to day. I know when I have to shave every day and think , I'm damn glad I don't have many other spots to shave and know for sure that I wouldn't put hot wax anywhere, lol.
My last ex wouldn't let me watch when she got ready to go out but I found it sexy to watch a her fix herself up ( actually I told her she didn't need any makeup ) of course this just lead to a "yeah right". If you know who the brunette from TV Angie Harmon is, she looked like her.
I often wonder if women do it more for other women than for us.

Hey TTD, *Archie Bunker impression* "shhhhhhhhushh up, you"! Seriously,I agree with them wearing heels all the time will kill the feet and back, but from time to time it is DEFINITELY appreciated 😉

I heard a comedian say "I think women should wear heels even in the shower ...that would be hhhhhhhot"

lol. I hate when women wear heels. Rather them be in nice sandles. Low comfy non hurtful or damaging heels and lots of foot visible.

 

[MAJ0718]

I heard a comedian say "I think women should wear heels even in the shower ...that would be hhhhhhhot"

Quite frankly, I personally think that this particular comedian you quote is one sick puppy. I am totally with TTD on the subject of high heels.....

 

[MrPartickler]

I think the bottom line for anyone is that, whatever you do, you should feel good about doing those things for <i>yourself</i>. If you find you're frustrated because of a lack of appreciation, just cut back to a level you feel is more appropriate for you. There's usually some "happy medium"/"don't care" point you can reach.

Some women might enjoy spending 2 hours in prep everyday. Others might feel better just pinning their hair up and wearing a t-shirt and jeans. As long as no one's trying to change someone else's behavior, I can't see what the big deal is either way. Seeking approval from some generic, anonymous entity called "other women" and/or "other men" is really kinda pointless. There's just really no way to win that game until you're satisfied with yourself.

 

[maniactickler]

I think the word is 'repulsed', but we can go with intimidated if it gets you through the lonely times ... 🙄

Im too cute to be repulsive. ask isabeau, she loves me.

 

[Angel_2]

To be honest I think some guys do notice and others don't. I don't need my girl to look good or even dress good b/c I don't care how you look or how you dress. You know lots of women say they don't want guys to be with them based on how they look and yet if we don't say something or not take notice women get pissed off at us guys. I don't get that and won't try to understand it. I mean for example my girlfriend, She LOVES to dress sexy and look good. Why I don't know or care. She has told me its b/c she wants to do it for me. Now I don't care for it. I mean I do want her to look decent but she dose not need to over due it. Looks don't matter to me its as simple as that. I wish women would stop trying so dam hard to look good b/c if a person can't see how good YOU ALL really look with out your make-up and hair and nails getting done then that says a lot about the guy. For all women just keep on doing what your doing, just be who you are and do what you do. I am sure some guy will take notice. Besides to me Every Women looks good with make up or with out

 

[lk70]

Im too cute to be repulsive. ask isabeau, she loves me.

Isabeau has a very generous spirit.

 

[lk70]

Appreciated but those high heeled shoes have got to go.
They destroy the feet.Cause massive pain for you gals and deform the feet to the point of causing damage to the point that the feet become all defored and may require surgery.
They are medevil torture devices and should be thrown away and never placed on the female foot again!
The female foot is a thing of ticklish beauty and needs to be carressed and tickled and taken care of.

AS for the rest....manicures, pedicures, makeup(ya all don't need too much of the makeup either) plucking, shaving and waxing...etc is greatly appreciated but is not something (at least as far as I am concerned) demanded because most women(at least my love) is beautiful just the way she is, however we (I) love everything and every inch of her and what she does to make herself who and what she is(and the rest of you women too for that matter).

Finally someone I can get on board with. Bet you dollars to donuts TTD and his love are and will be happier in their lives together than certain other people who have voiced opinions here.

 

[BellaRisa]

Im too cute to be repulsive. ask isabeau, she loves me.

But is your spirit cute? Is it?? LOOK INTO YOUR SOUL AND BEHOLD YOUR UNCUTE INNER SELF!!!

(Um, ok, that's kinda weird )

Bella

 

[isabeau]

Im too cute to be repulsive. ask isabeau, she loves me.

um i do??? that's news to me.. me loving someone obsessed with flatulence.. hmm very interesting

isabeau 😛

 

[phfttklr]

Quite frankly, I personally think that this particular comedian you quote is one sick puppy. I am totally with TTD on the subject of high heels.....

Yes, because I'm sure he really expects women to wear high heels IN THE SHOWER. Never mind "I don't get the joke" guy. It's humor and I don't care who doesn't find it funny. Women in the club found it just as funny as the men did, that's why we go to comedy clubs. TO LAUGH, even at absurd jokes.

LOL, oh well, back to obsurity.

 

[Stugots]

Out-do other women by what measure? I might be wrong, but I think the standard they go by is how attractive men find them.

I believe women put the extra effort into making themselves look good because it is a standard set by society! Don't get me wrong, women do use the extra effort to attract men, but a well rounded woman knows she can get a dick whenever she wants (which is so true because so many guys will do anything for sex) so she uses that effort to compete with and out-do other women. Men approach women and it is the woman who decides if sex will happen or not! The woman is making herself look good to out-do the other women to divert male attention. For those of you who don't understand what I mean...the primary motive for making herself look good is to compete with and out-do other women and the secondary motive is in being approached and noticed by men. The more attention you get, the more options you have. And having more options isn't a bad thing!

 

[kis123]

I guess I'm at the stage of my life where I'm not doing anything to impress the women or even the men. I'm doing it for....me! I do it to please myself so I think that attitude extends in other areas too.

 

[Tamia78]

Wow, everyone has made some really valid points. To me it is "To each his own". Basically guys like what they like. I wear makeup, but there's times I leave the house without any, and I'm comfortable with that. Someone said it earlier that it's the "inner beauty" that some guys notice. There have been times when I am in such a great mood (no makeup, but I don't care) and I get compliments from people. I think when you feel good, no matter what you're wearing or not wearing, it really shows and people gravitate toward that.

--T

 

[Angel_2]

IMO make up dose not make you look better. I think it makes you think you look better. I have said this many times but women look good period with or with out make up. My gf loves to wear make up but I always tell her she dose not need it. Its what is on the inside that counts not the outside. I just wish people would stop putting so much thought on how people look it dose not matter at all. As long as you are a good person that is all that should matter but sadly it dose not.