Anyone ever thought about becoming a pedicurist, specifically for tickling?

[Redmage]

As long they behave professionally and do their job well, I don't care WHY they chose that job. If they get a thrill from doing what they're job entails, good for them for choosing a career they can enjoy.

Standards of professional behavior are usually set within the profession. And I don't know of any non-sexual profession that considers it all right to derive sexual satisfaction from a customer.

Recording and photographing is an entirely different discussion.

Interesting. So it's possible for a professional's behavior to be wrong even if you never find out about it? What determines that?

 

[ViperGTS]

If you consider someone else's thoughts to be wrong, that's your prerogative, as unfair and judgmental as it may be. However, that is your opinion and no one else's. If someone has a profession such as being a pedicurist, and they have a foot fetish, and therefore get some form of sexual arousal from their job, that mean (as skip mentioned) that they probably so a damn fine job. They keep their thoughts to themselves and don't do anything outside the realm of their profession and what they are being paid to do, and maintain a professional and friendly attitude towards their customer. There isn't a goddamned thing wrong with that.

 

[Wolf]

The problem is...

A lot of the arguments being made are discounting the first post:

Yeah I know you can't purposely tickle the customer, but so many girls are so ticklish on their feet you don't even have to try! That's the best part, you don't even have to try to tickle them, you're just doing your job! Yeah I know you'll get some men and some blue-haired 80 yr old ladies too that you have to take care of. But maybe try to get work at a nail salon near a ritzy shopping area, then you're sure (I would imagine) to get more than your fair share of cute girls! Imagine tickling girls feet for a living! Don't know how much it pays though.

Tell me how that's being professional, and not doing "anything outside the realm of their profession and what they are being paid to do".

 

[Redmage]

There are many times when I do get off on touching beautiful feet , where it becomes a surreal moment.
However I have NEVER allowed video taping or unconsented cameras near my pedicure station.
What goes on in your head is your own buisness, but once it is recorded it becomes unethical.

Why is a photo that they never find out about more unethical than a sexual motivation that they never find out about?

 

[Redmage]

I have a suggestion. Anyone who really believes that what we're discussing would be "professional behavior" for a pedicurist can post the idea on this pedicurist discussion forum and see what sort of response they get. If it's really within the bounds of that profession then those in the profession should have no problems with it, right?

Does anyone here seriously believe that? If so, then I'll be interested to see the discussion there. If not, then why are we pretending otherwise?

 

[ViperGTS]

Wolf - the idea is that periodically you get girls who you don't have to try to tickle that get tickled anyway. Right there, you're doing your job and nothing else, and you get the fringe benefit of a giggle out of a cute girl. That's the point RU was trying to make.

RedMage - yes, let's start a discussion on a vanilla website about a fetishy topic revolving around the object of that vanilla site's profession. I wonder how that will turn out!
Come on. With how close-minded people are towards fetishes to begin with, not to mention how close minded people are towards fetishistic behavior in the workplace, i can guarantee that there'd be an uproar in that community based solely on the fact that they think it's weird and pervy, and it would have nothing to do with the fact that it's a no harm, no foul scenario.

 

[rhiannon]

But the "no harm, no foul scenario" still doesn't mean that it's right to do it! Even though nobody gets harmed, something can still be wrong!

I'm referring to date rape again! Young woman goes to a party, gets a drug slipped into her drink, she falls asleep, gets raped during she's sleeping. She wakes up, thinks she just had a bad blackout, has no clue what happened to her.

So she wasn't harmed since she doesn't know something happened! Is it right what happened to her now?

 

[chicago]

I think it's obvious that it's morally wrong, but of course there is no such thing as thought police and people think some pretty fucked up shit.

But yes. It's still fucking wrong. Just because you won't get punished for it doesn't mean anything.

 

[Wolf]

Well now..

But the "no harm, no foul scenario" still doesn't mean that it's right to do it! Even though nobody gets harmed, something can still be wrong!

I'm referring to date rape again! Young woman goes to a party, gets a drug slipped into her drink, she falls asleep, gets raped during she's sleeping. She wakes up, thinks she just had a bad blackout, has no clue what happened to her.

So she wasn't harmed since she doesn't know something happened! Is it right what happened to her now?

As much as I'm rigidly cemented into the 'that ain't right" camp, this is a stretch. That's rape, and it's been successfully prosecuted as such.

I think the original poster's 'clever plan' is far from illegal. The law would have a tough time proving intent in such a case, and we're not quite up to mind crimes...yet.
It's still unethical, creepy and cowardly.

But apparently much easier than just getting a goddamned girlfriend.

 

[ViperGTS]

I'm sorry Rhiannon but I don't think this argument is in any way valid. You cannot compare the actual raping of a woman to the thoughts someone has about some else. In the case of the pedicurist with a tickling fetish or a foot fetish, it's simply someone who happens to think a dirty though or two while he's giving a cute girl her treatment. In your scenario, a man is committing a serious federal crime in which he's violating the physical space and trust of a woman. If you really think these two can be related to each other, I feel very sorry for you.

But the "no harm, no foul scenario" still doesn't mean that it's right to do it! Even though nobody gets harmed, something can still be wrong!

I'm referring to date rape again! Young woman goes to a party, gets a drug slipped into her drink, she falls asleep, gets raped during she's sleeping. She wakes up, thinks she just had a bad blackout, has no clue what happened to her.

So she wasn't harmed since she doesn't know something happened! Is it right what happened to her now?

Now, personally, I think that getting a job ass a pedicurist JUST BECAUSE you have a foot fetish is not only creepy and cowardly but also just freakin dumb, since you're going to HATE your job on account of all the nasty feet you have to touch and fondle on a daily basis. However, if a guy is a pedicurist and has a foot fetish as well, which he has control over and simply gets a bit of an extra charge out of playing with a cute woman's peds for half an hour, more power to him - he's getting a little extra out of his job, and I firmly stand by the saying of "if you enjoy your job, you don't have to work a day in your life". Long story short, as long as he keeps himself in check and his intentions do not affect his professionalism work performance negatively, it's noone's business but his own whether or not the feet he deals with turn him on.

 

[rhiannon]

I don't think it's comparable actually. I am just trying to point out why it is not logical to me that something is not wrong just because nobody notices! Something being wrong and not noticing that something wrong happened does not have anything to do with the other! Shoplifting is still wrong even if nobody notices it happens.

I also don't know if a pedicurist with a foot fetish could not be prosecuted at all if it came out. Let's just say someone is outing himself as a foot fetishist online somewhere, and a customer sees it. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know if he could get in trouble for sexual harrassment or something like that then.

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

Yeah I know you can't purposely tickle the customer, but so many girls are so ticklish on their feet you don't even have to try! That's the best part, you don't even have to try to tickle them, you're just doing your job! Yeah I know you'll get some men and some blue-haired 80 yr old ladies too that you have to take care of. But maybe try to get work at a nail salon near a ritzy shopping area, then you're sure (I would imagine) to get more than your fair share of cute girls! Imagine tickling girls feet for a living! Don't know how much it pays though.

If given the chance and I knew 4 certain that I wouldnt get in trouble I would tickle the girls on purpose

 

[taptoematt]

I also don't know if a pedicurist with a foot fetish could not be prosecuted at all if it came out. Let's just say someone is outing himself as a foot fetishist online somewhere, and a customer sees it. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know if he could get in trouble for sexual harrassment or something like that then.

Jeeez, this post makes me feel real good about myself. Sexual harrassment how? We are trained professionals and its not sexual at all...believe me.
I just admire and have a fondness for the female foot and dedicate my time to them, even if I might secretly think how cute a clients feet are.

 

[taptoematt]

Why is a photo that they never find out about more unethical than a sexual motivation that they never find out about?

Because its my ethical obligation as a professional to protect my clients, but I can't always help what I'm thinking on the job. Noone can.

 

[solescratcher99]

The law would have a tough time proving intent in such a case, and we're not quite up to mind crimes...yet.

HA! Imagine... mind police?!

Well, until they find an ethical and/or legal way to prosecute people's minds "leave it to our police and bureaucrats to see that our papers are in order." -Foucault

Couldn't help it. Been reading too much Foucault today.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

I don't know of any non-sexual profession that considers it all right to derive sexual satisfaction from a customer.

Really? So if I'm working at a gas station, and a cute guy comes in and I wait on him, then I go home and rub one out thinking about him, that's immoral?? Damn, I'm in some serious trouble

Why is a photo that they never find out about more unethical than a sexual motivation that they never find out about?

I can't believe you're still arguing that a photograph is the same as a thought 🙄 A nonconsensual photograph is an invasion of privacy. A nonconsensual fantasy or sexual thought is not. It's not rocket science.

 

[Phineas]

yes, let's start a discussion on a vanilla website about a fetishy topic revolving around the object of that vanilla site's profession. I wonder how that will turn out!

Why not? It wouldn't be the first time. 😛 In case you haven't noticed, people from forums like this sneak into vanilla forums in order to start topics all the time. Looked at sites like Yahoo! Answers lately?

Anyway, one thing the "it's all in my head" people are missing is that, as I helpfully reminded y'all four pages back, tickling is generally not a part of a pedicure. With the exception of the members of this forum, most women would prefer you didn't do it. So we've got the scenario of someone who gets off on tickling doing a job where they try to tickle their customers (honestly, can you tell me that anyone who would actually get a job as a pedicurist solely to tickle people wouldn't try to "force" the issue?), even though being tickled isn't part of the "service" a pedicure provides.

Matt's scenario is different. I understand his point of view - and personally, Matt, I hope you don't think I'm disparaging you as a professional.

Anyone who needs any further proof...

If given the chance and I knew 4 certain that I wouldnt get in trouble I would tickle the girls on purpose

Thank you!

 

[Redmage]

RedMage - yes, let's start a discussion on a vanilla website about a fetishy topic revolving around the object of that vanilla site's profession. I wonder how that will turn out!
Come on. With how close-minded people are towards fetishes to begin with, not to mention how close minded people are towards fetishistic behavior in the workplace, i can guarantee that there'd be an uproar in that community based solely on the fact that they think it's weird and pervy, and it would have nothing to do with the fact that it's a no harm, no foul scenario.

Viper, the argument is that this behavior still falls within the bounds of "professional behavior" for a pedicurist. Several people here have even suggested that some, perhaps most pedicurists get into the business for that reason.

Well, pedicurists really ought to have a good handle on the standards of their profession, no? So if all of this is true then the people on that "vanilla" forum ought to have no problems with these ideas. Anything that they regard as professional behavior should be fine with them, fetish or not.

If, on the other hand, they do not regard this as professional behavior, then the argument that it's OK because it's still "professional" begins to look pretty unlikely.

I see you already know how a large group of pedicurists would decide on the "professionalism" of this behavior. So I think it's time to stop pretending that it's professional behavior and therefore OK. Anyone who thinks about how professional pedicurists would react to that idea ought to know better.

But, the link is still open for anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

[Redmage]

Really? So if I'm working at a gas station, and a cute guy comes in and I wait on him, then I go home and rub one out thinking about him, that's immoral?? Damn, I'm in some serious trouble

If you say so. However the subject under discussion was getting into the business specifically for the purpose of fondling women's feet and getting off on it.

Now, if you sought out the glamorous life of a service station attendant because watching people pump gas got your motor going (so to speak) then yes, I think you might have a problem.

I can't believe you're still arguing that a photograph is the same as a thought 🙄 A nonconsensual photograph is an invasion of privacy. A nonconsensual fantasy or sexual thought is not. It's not rocket science.

Your argument all along has been that it's not a problem if the person in question never gives you any indication that it's happening. So again, if you don't know about it, why? How is a doctor who gives you a gynecological exam because it turns him on being any less invasive than a doctor who puts a camera in his dressing room for the same reason - as long as you don't know about either one?

What I hear in your argument is that you would freak out if you found out about the camera. And therefore it's wrong. But would you not be similarly freaked if you learned that your doctor was getting an erection while you were in the stirrups? If so then what's the difference?

 

[Redmage]

Because its my ethical obligation as a professional to protect my clients, but I can't always help what I'm thinking on the job. Noone can.

True enough. But, as I pointed out to Skip, that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about (see the thread title) becoming a pedicurist specifically for tickling. In the course of the thread that has broadened to include foot fetishes in general.

So, it's not a matter of an errant thought coming unbidden in the course of a normal day. It's about someone coming to work each day specifically to get his hands on women's feet because it turns him on.

So how would it be any worse for someone like that to set up a hidden camera that his customers never know about? Is one any more "professional" than the other?

 

[Phineas]

My point is that once it was made perfectly clear that the topic was entirely fantasy, the guy was still not only disagreed with (which is perfectly fine of course) but insulted.

You know what I think? I think that the OP backpedaled when he realized not everyone was thrilled with his idea. I didn't see anything in the thread topic to indicate it was fantasy - and if it was, then I think the Dear Penthouse stuff needs to stay in the stories forums so we know whether we're discussing fiction or not.

 

[McNoodle]

People never seem to get tired of pulling scenarios out of their ass and applying them regardless of whether they are pertinent or not. Kinda reminds me of the people who see conspiracies everywhere but a lot more fun and less annoying. 😛
As for the original topic... I have never thought of it and wouldn't want the job personally.

 

[solescratcher99]

I think people who are still arguing about this issue are just trying to get over their own issues regarding their "fetish". For example, notice how most of them use the term "getting off" towards something they like (tickling) as though its something totally gross and insulting? Then again, maybe they like to think of it that way... who knows? lol.

Oh, I'm such a shit starter.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

I think people who are still arguing about this issue are just trying to get over their own issues regarding their "fetish". For example, notice how most of them use the term "getting off" towards something they like (tickling) as though its something totally gross and insulting? Then again, maybe they like to think of it that way... who knows? lol.

Oh, I'm such a shit starter.

Personally I think getting off is pretty amazing. I doubt I'm alone in this

 

[Phineas]

For example, notice how most of them use the term "getting off" towards something they like (tickling) as though its something totally gross and insulting?

Are you sure you're not just reading your own prejudices into that? I never once implied I thought someone getting off was gross or insulting, but I do know that a stranger might not like me doing it to them without their consent.

Oh, I'm such a shit starter.

I know, and it makes me so gay for you. I think I'll go over to the stories section and write about it.