Bill Cosby Mounting Sexual Assault Allegations.. Thoughts?

[DontAskJusTckle]

It’s also an absurdly simple matter to distinguish stating opinions from declaring “authority” or having a lynch mob mindset. I said “It's okay to hold on to whatever good memories…” and “People should be disgusted when someone does things like that…”, not “I’m granting you permission to hold on to good memories but if your disgust is not satisfactory to me you will be hanged”. I shouldn’t have to begin or end every opinion sentence with “I think” or “It seems” or “In my opinion”.

Whether it's opinion or not, you're still making statements on how people ought to act or feel. You or I don't get to make those decisions for other people. That's up to each individual to decide for themselves.

If you don’t like what I’m saying, then you can ignore me or debate back on-topic, but this nitpicking about how I state my opinions is off-topic and does not add anything to a discussion.

So your claim is basically that I'm supposed to intuitively know when you're stating fact vs opinion, because you can't be bothered to excercise a modicum of specificity.

Hear me, and hear me well, LargerWorld2577. If you make a declarative statement, I'm going to read it as such, and if I find it questionable, I may very well raise questions. The only reason we've veered off topic is your petulent refusal to accept this elementary principle of communication.

I don’t harbor expectations of others to share my opinion, either, and I apologize if it comes across like that. But if you publicly state your opinion, I have the right to question it, state my own opinions on it, criticize it, etc., which is I all I was doing.

Dude, you just got finished saying in your last post that you were "personally disturbed that someone would continue to think highly of someone even if they were somehow proven to have hurt other people." Clearly you harbored expectations of that particular someone to discontinue his previous good opinion of the man, and adopt a negative opinion that is more aligned with your own. I strongly suspect that this expectation for everybody to harbor this negative opinion is fueled by the hope of effectively punishing the man in the "court of public opinion." Hence, the lynch mob mindset to which I referred earlier.

You don't care how someone treats another person, especially if they possibly raped them?

You know, you can keep asking this same question, but you're not going to get any different an answer than those I've given previously. Look at my last post. I answered this question and explained why I don't care.

Again, no he hasn't been proven to have done anything, but you said if the allegations were true, you still wouldn't change your opinion of him.

Said it several times in fact, and here you are still asking me.

Sure, you can still admire someone and their work but you can also have disgust for them if they hurt others.

Yes, that option is definitely open to me. But I've opted to simply not give a shit about it.

If someone's personal life involves hurting others, then it isn't just their own business, anymore.

Well that's certainly true, I'll concede. But either way, it's none of MY business. Hence, my lack of concern.

 

[LargerWorld2577]

So your claim is basically that I'm supposed to intuitively know when you're stating fact vs opinion, because you can't be bothered to excercise a modicum of specificity.

Hear me, and hear me well, LargerWorld2577. If you make a declarative statement, I'm going to read it as such, and if I find it questionable, I may very well raise questions. The only reason we've veered off topic is your petulent refusal to accept this elementary principle of communication.

Actually, you brought up the nitpicking about how I was stating my opinions, so that’s the reason we veered off-topic. Could I go back through every single one of your posts and find all your opinions accompanied by “I think”, “It seems to me”, or “In my opinion”? I don’t think so. Sometimes it’s because it’s just my style of writing (and I’m not going to compromise what I feel, for me, is a natural flow of my expression of thoughts just because you can’t tell the difference between an opinion and a fact), sometimes I don’t always realize when I’m stating an opinion, sometimes both. This whole thing is a non-issue, and it seems like you deliberately want to focus on it instead of the topic and drive discussions off-topic because it comes up time and time again with you. No one discussing with you is able to perhaps forget to add something in or write how they’re comfortable writing without you obsessing over this issue and labeling them as authoritarian when all they did was leave out the “I think” before an opinion. Again, I doubt you have expressed every single opinion you have ever made as an opinion.

Whether it's opinion or not, you're still making statements on how people ought to act or feel. You or I don't get to make those decisions for other people. That's up to each individual to decide for themselves.

More specifically, I’m expressing my opinions on how I believe people should act or feel that happen to be phrased as statements for the reasons I just explained. The rest is a straw man that you continually bring up so you can label me as some self-righteous lynch mobbing authoritarian when all I’m doing is expressing an opinion, because of course I can’t make decisions for other people. This is not a debate point and should be dropped.

Dude, you just got finished saying in your last post that you were "personally disturbed that someone would continue to think highly of someone even if they were somehow proven to have hurt other people." Clearly you harbored expectations of that particular someone to discontinue his previous good opinion of the man, and adopt a negative opinion that is more aligned with your own. I strongly suspect that this expectation for everybody to harbor this negative opinion is fueled by the hope of effectively punishing the man in the "court of public opinion." Hence, the lynch mob mindset to which I referred earlier.

Yes, all I said was that I was disturbed, as well as that I think others should be disturbed/disgusted. That in no way means I expected you to change your opinion. I criticized it, asked questions about it, and stated my own opinions regarding it. But I know only you can change your opinion. There is nothing I said that can be interpreted as me actually expecting someone else, you, to change their very own opinion.

Yes, that option is definitely open to me. But I've opted to simply not give a shit about it.

Then there’s nothing more to discuss. This is all I was trying to discuss with you and ask questions about. And you made it clear. If someone who you admire is somehow proven to have hurt another, like rape, you don’t “give a shit”. They’re still a great person in your eyes. Talk about “a slap in the face to rape victims”.

 

[Dussicar]

Heh.

DAJT has provided us with a new trigger: His distain for Women outweighs his distain for black people.

And then throws them aaaallll under the bus at a moment's notice.

You're breakin' down, sweety, lol!

 

[b0xr]

I think there are too many accusations even though they're decades old. The authorities should lock him up and run Little Rascals loops in his cell.

 

[BlasterMaster]

Either Cosby is quite literally the worst sexual predator of any celebrity I could name off the top of my head or this is one or two complaints followed by a string of false accusations. If even a few of these accusations are true then I'm sad to say but Cosby gets a walk (at least in criminal court) as the crime had to be reported as soon as possible after it happened.

Believe me when I say that I feel enormous sympathy for any woman involved in this who was actually a victim. I know that the media, police, and even officials in judicial courts all around the world often lay the blame on the victim instead of the assailant. It's never an easy road for a woman to finger the man who victimized her and my heart goes out to any women who ended up as victims in this case.

Sadly, as far as I know, a great deal of these crimes are over a decade old. At best from what I can gather these women have better chances at a mass civil suit than they do bringing charges against Cosby in criminal court.