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Democracy just got cancer.

It honestly blows my mind that this thing is even being debated as a left/right thing. This is going to be so terrible for most all of us, in my opine. They need to boot the lobbyists and special interests(right & left) out of Washington, but instead we get THIS?
 
I'm actually one of those crazy libertarians who doesn't consider the right/left thing of any use, especially since issues like this fuck everyone except the super-elites.
 
F*** Canada...they only have one road and I'm defiantly not learning french either.

I hear Australia is wonderful this time of year...^_~
 
one union gave Obama 60 million in the last election.... Which is why Obama bought their support by agreeing to force everyone to pay 40% in taxes on "High end health insurance" but the unions are exempt? lol talk about corruption.

Amen brother..since the assault on the private sector under Lord Obama began...now they can compete with the union thugs and fight back.
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So it's not actually about protecting the freedom and lives of your fellow human beings; you just want to see a particular group get screwed over. You guys are champions.
 
This isn't even about Unions vs. Corps. Both have the ability to screw us over. You can argue this to death, but it still leaves us, the single voting American, out in the cold. It's all under the umbrella of "special interests." There was a time when labor unions were a very important thing, and the initial concept was a good one. But, like everything that gains power, the concept has been corrupted. Hey, my grandfather raised five kids, put two of them through college, bought a house in NJ and tons of land in the Catskills that is now owned by the family...all with a welding job and some freelance photography and winter trapping. And all because of the union he was in.

But, that was the '50's. Times and priorities have changed.

Everybody gets screwed with this. Even the unions that are left that are honorable. This is SO not a Left vs. Right thing.

Oh, and by the way....you don't have to speak French to live in Canada...only the province of Quebec. 🙂
 
I just want to go somewhere peaceful,safe and where my rights are still in tact.

Seriously, with all the talk of Canada et al...

The "best" overall places to live seem to be the Scandanavian nations. For whatever reason, these folks seem to keep their shit together socially and politically. They actually seem to *gasp*.... care about their citizens! Do you believe that? Yeah, I know!

Plus, it's a known fact that Swedish women like foreign men, because they find Swedish men boring for the most part. So, there's a good reason. 🙂
 
Seriously, with all the talk of Canada et al...

The "best" overall places to live seem to be the Scandanavian nations. For whatever reason, these folks seem to keep their shit together socially and politically. They actually seem to *gasp*.... care about their citizens! Do you believe that? Yeah, I know!

Plus, it's a known fact that Swedish women like foreign men, because they find Swedish men boring for the most part. So, there's a good reason. 🙂

*starts packing* well,folks lets go
 
As long as I can do whatever I please that doesn't infringe on anybody else, I'm honestly, truthfully considering leaving to one of these countries.
 
I agree that this isn't left vs. right. Corps taking charge doesn't mean the Bible being shoved down our throats. There is nothing farther from the teachings of the prophets than our current state of cosumerism and *****dom. This is an entirely different threat all together.

We've all seen the latest public service announcements about public tv being limited, I imagine? That paints a very dim and highly obscure picture of what could come. First, some of the little free things like public radio and tv broadcasting will disappear. Then, now Wal-Mart gets to vote, that public park where you played when you were a kid, or that beautiful creek where you had your first kiss, will disappear. Suddenly labor laws will start to blurr around the edges.

In a nation already bound by the chains of a credit standard, a new form of slavery will arise. There will be no whips, no taskmaster. But every day our actions and our voice will be manipulated and controlled, or silenced. And when we're suffocating on the stress, the lack of free time, the missed music rehearsals of our children, and the drugs they advertise on TV to "help us deal with it all", where will we obtain the strength, will or courage to take it back? Are we really willing to let it go that far before we take a stand?

But instead all I can hear you say is, "Every man for himself. Run while you can!" And where will you run? You think that their reach of their power will not find you, sooner or later? You believe these increasingly miniscule geographical barriers will protect you? If you look at how things are progressing, are you really willing to take that bet?

I promise you, their power will spread, and it will find you, no matter how far you run. But I will not run. I will not look out for myself while my brothers suffer. And I will not give up my freedom, my land, or my rights. I will fight. To my very final breath, I will fight. And if I have to do it alone, I will. But I will lose. Still, I would rather die and lose as a free man, than run and live for today only to be a slave tomorrow.

Still, there is hope. I could win, but only if you stand with me. And I don't mean Americans, I'm talking to every free man on this earth. If you do not want to be a slave, if you do not want to fight alone, then stand with me! Stand together! We are not a hundred nations, we are one people, free and proud! For this danger isn't present only here. It's present everywhere, and the more we let it spread, the more quickly it will overcome us all, no matter what island we hope to hide in.

So let's take a stand. Now, today. Let's organize. There is always something we can do, and we MUST do it. How do we fight this? If we all think and work together, we can beat this. So let's start. Who has ideas on how we can reverse this?

Personally, I think a first step is to send letters to those we've elected to represent us, and organize groups to do the same, as well as call and physically appear and work with them to get our term met. Anyone else?
 
This decision is going to do nothing to change any balance of power. You have left wing corps and right wing corps. All this does is put the money that they are donating (anyways) into public channels. Nothing to see here - move along.
 
On or about Jan 1, 2000, the New York Times ran an Onion-style joke front page for Jan 2100 or some such date. The main article that I remember involved the ratification of a Constitutional amendment to select US Senators by a public auction.
 
Purple...Maniac is indeed that way..he just doesn't have an outlet here to vent his biased and political hypocrisies..
 
I agree that this isn't left vs. right. Corps taking charge doesn't mean the Bible being shoved down our throats. There is nothing farther from the teachings of the prophets than our current state of cosumerism and *****dom. This is an entirely different threat all together.

We've all seen the latest public service announcements about public tv being limited, I imagine? That paints a very dim and highly obscure picture of what could come. First, some of the little free things like public radio and tv broadcasting will disappear. Then, now Wal-Mart gets to vote, that public park where you played when you were a kid, or that beautiful creek where you had your first kiss, will disappear. Suddenly labor laws will start to blurr around the edges.

In a nation already bound by the chains of a credit standard, a new form of slavery will arise. There will be no whips, no taskmaster. But every day our actions and our voice will be manipulated and controlled, or silenced. And when we're suffocating on the stress, the lack of free time, the missed music rehearsals of our children, and the drugs they advertise on TV to "help us deal with it all", where will we obtain the strength, will or courage to take it back? Are we really willing to let it go that far before we take a stand?

But instead all I can hear you say is, "Every man for himself. Run while you can!" And where will you run? You think that their reach of their power will not find you, sooner or later? You believe these increasingly miniscule geographical barriers will protect you? If you look at how things are progressing, are you really willing to take that bet?

I promise you, their power will spread, and it will find you, no matter how far you run. But I will not run. I will not look out for myself while my brothers suffer. And I will not give up my freedom, my land, or my rights. I will fight. To my very final breath, I will fight. And if I have to do it alone, I will. But I will lose. Still, I would rather die and lose as a free man, than run and live for today only to be a slave tomorrow.

Still, there is hope. I could win, but only if you stand with me. And I don't mean Americans, I'm talking to every free man on this earth. If you do not want to be a slave, if you do not want to fight alone, then stand with me! Stand together! We are not a hundred nations, we are one people, free and proud! For this danger isn't present only here. It's present everywhere, and the more we let it spread, the more quickly it will overcome us all, no matter what island we hope to hide in.

So let's take a stand. Now, today. Let's organize. There is always something we can do, and we MUST do it. How do we fight this? If we all think and work together, we can beat this. So let's start. Who has ideas on how we can reverse this?

Personally, I think a first step is to send letters to those we've elected to represent us, and organize groups to do the same, as well as call and physically appear and work with them to get our term met. Anyone else?

I have a cruel, cynical, and down-right depressing - but necessary quip to make: We're gonna need bigger tanks.

America is not the land of free, it hasn't been for a long time. Our entire country has slowly given up it's rights; and because there has been no true organization / representation, everybody feels like it's impossible to stop suck things, so there's no point in worrying about it. Then it just snowballs downhill until the supreme court decides it's okay to buy politicians. 😉
 
Purple...Maniac is indeed that way..he just doesn't have an outlet here to vent his biased and political hypocrisies..

Oh he has an outlet, but I don't understand the need to bash good / praise bad things being told by somebody who is considerably more "left" than the "right" just by being in the "middle".
 
I have a cruel, cynical, and down-right depressing - but necessary quip to make: We're gonna need bigger tanks.

America is not the land of free, it hasn't been for a long time. Our entire country has slowly given up it's rights; and because there has been no true organization / representation, everybody feels like it's impossible to stop suck things, so there's no point in worrying about it. Then it just snowballs downhill until the supreme court decides it's okay to buy politicians. 😉

Yeah your right about that i agree 100%
 
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