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Democrat vs Republican, HELP
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ShiningIce
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Why Krokus you seem upset whatever is the matter? What have I done now?
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Ok, I'll waddle back and just for you Ill make a PMS thread. You really could use one.
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"Political discussions and religious discussions usually are not rational, they are emotional, tempers flare and words fly."
Actually, several mature posters answered my question in a rational, informative and very polite manner, which is all I asked. That being the case this thread can be considered successful-thanks fellas! 😎 .
As a preschool teacher I've learned how to handle tantrums; but online you can't 'see' a person, and often one needs to let them show whether they're an adult or a child so that you as an adult can alter your behavior regarding them accordingly. And so I've learned even more from this outing than originally intended 🙂 .
Bella
Actually, several mature posters answered my question in a rational, informative and very polite manner, which is all I asked. That being the case this thread can be considered successful-thanks fellas! 😎 .
As a preschool teacher I've learned how to handle tantrums; but online you can't 'see' a person, and often one needs to let them show whether they're an adult or a child so that you as an adult can alter your behavior regarding them accordingly. And so I've learned even more from this outing than originally intended 🙂 .
Bella
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The Difference between Remocrats & Depublicans
Bella; In the interest of sharing knowledge & getting this thread 'back to where it once belonged', I remember a rather simplistic yet novel way of discerning the two parties.
It may be an over simplification but a good rule of thumb used to be found in our 2 National "Blueprints": The Declaration of Independence AND The Constitution of the United States.
Now here's how this study seems to work;
If one person is arguing and using the Declaration as the basis for their stand, then the person may have Republican leanings as These folks stand for the right to rise as far and as fast as Circumstances, Talent, Funds & Moxie will alllow.
If on the Other hand the Person sites the Constitution, which puts the powers,(& the Responsibilities) of the Government down in Black & White...showing a Division of Powers between the Person & the State, then the person making this stand may be a Democrat.
NOW....all this is merely a theory but it does seem to work in Quite a few instances.
NOW.... My Personal Opinion
In Recent years, however it's getting harder & harder to tell the parties one from the other. It now seems that there is only ONE Party: the Business Party W/ 2 separate Branches...the Democrats & the Republicans.
Money, or so It seems to THIS writer, Has TAKEN OVER from participational Democracy as the OIL that greases the Cogs of Our Government. In Days gone by, Governmental Service was something you did TEMPORARILY...like Jury Duty...the Farm, The Trade, The Law Practice...was left to publically serve TEMPORARILY...then one RETURNED to their Profession.
NOW Government service PAYS so Well it has BECOME A PROFESSION.
I'M REALLY HOPIMG THAT iT WILL RETURN TO THE WAY IT USED TO BE.... FOR OUR COUNTRY'S SAKE.
For Texas, & Miss Lily!!!!!
-Bug
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Bella; In the interest of sharing knowledge & getting this thread 'back to where it once belonged', I remember a rather simplistic yet novel way of discerning the two parties.
It may be an over simplification but a good rule of thumb used to be found in our 2 National "Blueprints": The Declaration of Independence AND The Constitution of the United States.
Now here's how this study seems to work;
If one person is arguing and using the Declaration as the basis for their stand, then the person may have Republican leanings as These folks stand for the right to rise as far and as fast as Circumstances, Talent, Funds & Moxie will alllow.
If on the Other hand the Person sites the Constitution, which puts the powers,(& the Responsibilities) of the Government down in Black & White...showing a Division of Powers between the Person & the State, then the person making this stand may be a Democrat.
NOW....all this is merely a theory but it does seem to work in Quite a few instances.
NOW.... My Personal Opinion
In Recent years, however it's getting harder & harder to tell the parties one from the other. It now seems that there is only ONE Party: the Business Party W/ 2 separate Branches...the Democrats & the Republicans.
Money, or so It seems to THIS writer, Has TAKEN OVER from participational Democracy as the OIL that greases the Cogs of Our Government. In Days gone by, Governmental Service was something you did TEMPORARILY...like Jury Duty...the Farm, The Trade, The Law Practice...was left to publically serve TEMPORARILY...then one RETURNED to their Profession.
NOW Government service PAYS so Well it has BECOME A PROFESSION.
I'M REALLY HOPIMG THAT iT WILL RETURN TO THE WAY IT USED TO BE.... FOR OUR COUNTRY'S SAKE.
For Texas, & Miss Lily!!!!!
-Bug
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Hi, Bella, you pose and interesting question, and I'd like to give my opinion on the difference between the two parties.
Democrats: Rich elitists who think that they have the only common sense to do what's right, therefore we should send them all our money so they can redistribute it in the way they deem to be fair. They feel they should be in charge of everything, our health care, our retirement, and education because we're too stupid to handle that stuff on our own. Not to mention the power it gives them. They try to be all things to all people, pleasing everyone. I guarantee you, if you talk to a democrat in or running for office, and you tell them you have a problem with hang-nails, they'll tell you they're working on a program for that.
Republicans: Rich elitists who think that hard work and individual effort are the keys to success. That over-taxation limits business opportunities, therefor limits job opportunities. That government meddling in your everyday life is a restriction, not only on your freedom, but on your ability to conduct business and implement your ideas.
That being said, it doesn't work out that way. It seems that once a republican gets elected, they fall in love with the power and the attention. The liberal media tends to cream, and lie about, people who propose tax cuts, or who want to make government smaller and less intrusive. Then they, too, try to be all things to all people, so they become spending machines, just like the democrats. Since 30% or less of us actually vote, it's impossible to hold these toads responsible. Unless we can get voter participation up to 75%, politicians will continue to try to out spend one another, and, IMHO, this country is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Democrats: Rich elitists who think that they have the only common sense to do what's right, therefore we should send them all our money so they can redistribute it in the way they deem to be fair. They feel they should be in charge of everything, our health care, our retirement, and education because we're too stupid to handle that stuff on our own. Not to mention the power it gives them. They try to be all things to all people, pleasing everyone. I guarantee you, if you talk to a democrat in or running for office, and you tell them you have a problem with hang-nails, they'll tell you they're working on a program for that.
Republicans: Rich elitists who think that hard work and individual effort are the keys to success. That over-taxation limits business opportunities, therefor limits job opportunities. That government meddling in your everyday life is a restriction, not only on your freedom, but on your ability to conduct business and implement your ideas.
That being said, it doesn't work out that way. It seems that once a republican gets elected, they fall in love with the power and the attention. The liberal media tends to cream, and lie about, people who propose tax cuts, or who want to make government smaller and less intrusive. Then they, too, try to be all things to all people, so they become spending machines, just like the democrats. Since 30% or less of us actually vote, it's impossible to hold these toads responsible. Unless we can get voter participation up to 75%, politicians will continue to try to out spend one another, and, IMHO, this country is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Hmmm, somewhat biased opinion there, leomac, lol. Rich Elitists they may be, but by and large the're rich because the're successful, and the're successful because the're intelligent. In certain ways, at least. It's fairly logical.
No offence to yourself, but I *do* get a little irritated when people moan about Government not having the intelligence to spend the money that is owed to them, considering that its there job to do it, hence the people involved are fully qualified for the task. Working out a nations Health Budget isn't the easiest of tasks, unless you're of Republican leaning, whereby you make the arithmitic easier by reducing the money pumped into it...😉
Nice to see this getting back on track though.
AT
No offence to yourself, but I *do* get a little irritated when people moan about Government not having the intelligence to spend the money that is owed to them, considering that its there job to do it, hence the people involved are fully qualified for the task. Working out a nations Health Budget isn't the easiest of tasks, unless you're of Republican leaning, whereby you make the arithmitic easier by reducing the money pumped into it...😉
Nice to see this getting back on track though.
AT
You're right, AT, I confess. I'm biased. 🙂 It's obvious we sit on opposite sides of the fence where government responsibilities are concerned. And please don't take offense to this, but I never said people in government weren't smart. Most of them are too smart for our own good. It's not that they don't have the intelligence to spend our money, I don't think they have the morals. It's not their job to be involved in health care. If you look at the countries where government runs health care, Canada for instance, it's a mess. The only ones who get prompt, quality care are the rich. And another thing 🙂 republicans have never, ever proposed spending less money on health care, or any other program, for that matter. They've tried to reduce the rate of growth, which in liberal terms means cut, but no one, not even the much hated Newt Gingrich, ever proposed to spend less money. I think they need to, but it'll never happen.
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Admiral Trouser said:
By default, that means you're calling George W. Bush intelligent.
He is rich because of his father, no other reason. If daddy hadn't bailed out Shrub Oil so often, Dubya would've been bankrupt decades ago because of his financial ineptitude.
leomac said:
It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference if 100% of voters voted. The system is rigged so the same families hold the power year after year anyway. 30% of voters deciding on two cousins who will both be controlled by the same people once they get into the White House, is just as effective towards accountability as 100%. That is to say, not effective at all.
bella said:
Neither party will, because they're both controlled by the same people Bella. They manifest in different "wavelengths" if you will, but they're different expression of the same stale old energy. Oppo-sames instead of opposites.
Re: Ah, but see, then....
I found nearly all of that post to be very accurate and on the money Dan. That last point is the only one I truly disagree with though. It ain't coming, it's already here.
AffectionateDan said:Don't even get me STARTED on that last presidential 'election'.
I found nearly all of that post to be very accurate and on the money Dan. That last point is the only one I truly disagree with though. It ain't coming, it's already here.
Admiral Trouser said:
But even that won't give people freedom of choice. Take the 96 elections. The guys on the podium were Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. Two more allegedly "different" faces, in the same old fashion. Both are locked into networks that encompass the "gentlemen's clubs" like the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission and The Council On Foreign Relations. Both were subordinate to higher-ups in those organisations like the David Rockerfeller and John Paul Getty. But wait, I hear you shout. There was Ross Perot! Good old Ross from Texas who ran as an independant!
So let's look at "independant" Ross' history. He was started on his road to billionaire-dom when he landed a contract from New York state. Stange that they should ship it out to a Texan you might think; why not keep state money within New York? Good point, I was wondering exactly the same.
This contract was awarsded to him by............ Nelson Rockerfeller; the umpteen times governor of New York and network superior of both mainstream presidential candidates. Even voting for the "independant" would have been voting for a selected puppet with no original thought or desires of public service of his own. There is no way to win a game that was invented by people who never ever intended giving any power over to the people to decide their own destiny. The system just isn't built to work that way; even with alleged "independant" candidates.
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Just one minor gripe to BigJim here....
When you're posting, do you think you could push all of your posts together into a single, larger response? It just seems odd when you post a seperate response one after the other.
Anyway. Jim. Me old m8...lol....
American Constitution isn't rigged. The system that interprates it is, but the actual rules of the game, as they are in writing and entrenched into thr law of the land, are pretty much solid. Its only cunning politicions that have bended those entrenched rules and set up unseen barriers to hinder those third-parties.
Much like Orwell described it in 1984, the biggest barrier to a fair election is ourselves. These families, dynasties, whatever, are *so* behind the scenes that the're unable to affect people directly, so they use manipulation to make people beleive what they want. I shan't go into details, no doubt you're more clued up on that aspect anyway, but lets just agree on the fact that if anyone actualy stopped and began to properly consider the current set-up and state of affairs, they'd start a revolution lol. Or rather, run as a candidate themselves and expose the truth. People would smirk at that idea, which is EXACTLY why the status quo has remained for so long...we're beleiving here that its impossible for a person to get elected if he isn't loaded, when in reality we should be beleiving that its impossible for him to get elected if he's a corrupt bastard.
People are stupid, and clever people at the top take advantage of this to make sure they stay where they are. They've been doing it for four hundred years, but all it takes to make it collapse is a few home-truths spun hard in there direction.
AT
When you're posting, do you think you could push all of your posts together into a single, larger response? It just seems odd when you post a seperate response one after the other.
Anyway. Jim. Me old m8...lol....
American Constitution isn't rigged. The system that interprates it is, but the actual rules of the game, as they are in writing and entrenched into thr law of the land, are pretty much solid. Its only cunning politicions that have bended those entrenched rules and set up unseen barriers to hinder those third-parties.
Much like Orwell described it in 1984, the biggest barrier to a fair election is ourselves. These families, dynasties, whatever, are *so* behind the scenes that the're unable to affect people directly, so they use manipulation to make people beleive what they want. I shan't go into details, no doubt you're more clued up on that aspect anyway, but lets just agree on the fact that if anyone actualy stopped and began to properly consider the current set-up and state of affairs, they'd start a revolution lol. Or rather, run as a candidate themselves and expose the truth. People would smirk at that idea, which is EXACTLY why the status quo has remained for so long...we're beleiving here that its impossible for a person to get elected if he isn't loaded, when in reality we should be beleiving that its impossible for him to get elected if he's a corrupt bastard.
People are stupid, and clever people at the top take advantage of this to make sure they stay where they are. They've been doing it for four hundred years, but all it takes to make it collapse is a few home-truths spun hard in there direction.
AT
