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Do girls in renfaire clips know whats coming?

And you should realize you are just throwing more flames into the fire and you are not even sure about what you say.

You call it throwing flames into the fire, I call it discussing. 🙂

I do respect you for admiting that you have no clue about it

I just said that I did not know if a hidden camera was used or not. Nothing else! And it isn't really important for the discussion if there was a hidden camera or not!

Not really sure how it works. Are you??? dont think so.

O yes, I know how renfairs work! I used to be part of a group who performs at renfairs. Who would be suspicious if there was the same guy over and over again? He could belong to the group. Who would even realize he is there? People tend to come by there only once, maybe twice. They wouldn't notice him. If they did, they wouldn't think anything about it!

The simple fact that the videos are still out, after the someone did find out about them, tells you they do not even consider that scenario.

The renfair organizers did find out. They just cared that the person didn't come to the fairs anymore. It would be the women who'd have to do something about the clips, and maybe they just never stumbled across the clips.

But that one crime should not allow us to make this a way bigger thing than it really is.

Nobody is making it any bigger - we are just discussing. And you said yourself that you enjoy that. 😉
 
You call it throwing flames into the fire, I call it discussing. 🙂

😀 But no matter what we call it (yes, the fire was just "figurative"), doesnt change the fact that you were throwing points which not even you were sure about.


I just said that I did not know if a hidden camera was used or not. Nothing else! And it isn't really important for the discussion if there was a hidden camera or not!

There you go 🙂 See??? You keep admitting you are just talking about stuff that may not even make sense in the 1st place. So why???? it just puzzles me!!! do you have a fetish with hidden cameras? 😉 Can we remove them from the discussion then if we agree they dont matter? 🙂


O yes, I know how renfairs work! I used to be part of a group who performs at renfairs. Who would be suspicious if there was the same guy over and over again? He could belong to the group. Who would even realize he is there? People tend to come by there only once, maybe twice. They wouldn't notice him. If they did, they wouldn't think anything about it!

Good for you that you have been on some renfairs. Who says i havent?? 🙂 We do have that kind of stuff in Portugal also you know? 😀 And i´m kind of into history in the 1st place. But then again, other experiencies dont help us judging the tickling situation in this particular renfaire (Canelli). it clearly is something out of the usual so our experiences may or may not help us understand what really goes there.

You keep your fantasy about James Bond. I keep my theory that there was never a need to hide the camera. And i support this theory by my experiences seing people filming stuff at renfaires without any problems. Did you find it forbidden to take pictures or film in the renfaires you worked in?


The renfair organizers did find out. They just cared that the person didn't come to the fairs anymore. It would be the women who'd have to do something about the clips, and maybe they just never stumbled across the clips.

There you have another if....maybe they never stumbled across the clips. I will just give you the oposite if....maybe some of them did!!! and didnt care less. And i will support my if: i was in Lisbon´s Rock in Rio 2008....i googled the event afterwards and was able to find pictures from me and my friends....could even get a movie from us at an OffSpring song....which was not easy by the way. Now...these renfaire clips are perfectly identified with Canelli and renfaire....they are not that hard to find. Can you consider the chance that some of those girls have actually spotted their clip? Does it sound so impossible??? Does it sound impossible that they spotted and thought nothing about it???

And once again, you say that the organizers just cared that the person just didnt come anymore.....ahhhh....so they didnt care about the videos. hummmm....so either the videos are really nothing special, or those organizers are really crazy people. And considering you have experience in show business, you should know you dont take risks! If something might be fishy you ask to remove it before you get in trouble. And we are talking about more then a 12 clips out there clearly identifying a specific event.

If it did matter, id would be gone a long time ago.


Nobody is making it any bigger - we are just discussing. And you said yourself that you enjoy that. 😉

I do indeed 🙂 guilty on the highest degree!!! 😉
 
you were throwing points which not even you were sure about.

I was discussing possibilities. And one possibility is that the women were not aware that they were being filmed. But I am sure even if they were aware and they didn't care about it, I AM sure they would care about it if they knew that their clips were sold as fetish material!

There is a difference between being filmed in a public place and being filmed in a public place and ending up as jerk-off material in a fetish video!

Who says i havent??

Well, you yourself said you weren't sure how the renfair stuff worked. :veryhappy:

Did you find it forbidden to take pictures or film in the renfaires you worked in?

No. But I can tell you that I would sue the heck out of people if I found a clip of myself on a Renfair-Fetish site! 🙂

I know of a model who does nude shots and found some of them on a porn site....o Gods did she sue! And she got some money out of it, plus the pictures removed!
 
I was discussing possibilities. And one possibility is that the women were not aware that they were being filmed. But I am sure even if they were aware and they didn't care about it, I AM sure they would care about it if they knew that their clips were sold as fetish material!


There is a difference between being filmed in a public place and being filmed in a public place and ending up as jerk-off material in a fetish video!

And so we end up with the one and true problem!!!! the business aspect. Yep, i agree there. The guy was guilty on that. And by any means, the situation was dealt with and corrected.

But by the way, dont be so sore these clips were sold as fetish material. As some said, the guy didnt sold them that oppenly and they were never placed for sale on a fetish site. It was pretty much something "under the table". But i hope and i´m glad it was stopped.

Well, you yourself said you weren't sure how the renfair stuff worked. :veryhappy:
Ahhhh...dont want to be picky but if you read carefully you will see i make sense. When i say i´m not sure how it works you can imply that i know something about the subject but i´m just not sure that gives me the full knowledge to judge this one. You know....not being sure is different from having no idea about it. It´s like you know an answer and you have it, you are just not sure it´s totally right.

Makes sense? 🙂 hopefully!!! 😉


No. But I can tell you that I would sue the heck out of people if I found a clip of myself on a Renfair-Fetish site! 🙂

I know of a model who does nude shots and found some of them on a porn site....o Gods did she sue! And she got some money out of it, plus the pictures removed!

But that Renfaire fetish site doesnt actually exist....so we are back to the start. What trully exists are a few clips on youtube, which is not a fetish oriented site by itself, altough some really crazy stuff can be found there.

You see....this is where i got the point that we are making a bigger deal of all this stuff.
 
If the material is sold, that wouldn't be too hard now. 🙂 I don't know how it is in the states, but I know in Germany if you are identifiable on the clip, you always have the right to have it removed when it is published. Publishing alone is not totally legal, leave alone selling the material.
Yes, I suppose you are right, if the material is sold you can track it. But that is not the issue, I think. The issue is privacy in the era of the internet.
You can get the person. You can sue, and let say, you can also win. So his/her site goes down, if he/she is selling from a site. And you can get money for damages. All fine. But, after a material hit the internet, it will be reproduced from hundreds of times, and will be virtually immortal. It can be store in hundred of computers and resurrect in any time. So, if you feel embarrassed about the material, you have no solution.
Is not about publishing in the web, is about how do you recover all the copies, and since due to technology the cost of a perfect copy is zero, is enough to a single copy to survive to start all over again. Think about the Polaroid, and the nude shoot taken in parties, it was fun, and if you lost track of a picture….well how many people could see it before the paper just degraded? Now compare to a digital image, the last is virtually eternal.

So the damage to the privacy of a person is not done only by selling, but is simple done by showing some footage recorded without the permission of the person. Of course in the pre-internet, pre-you tube era, the scale of that damage was small to insignificant, it was only about the privacy of the famous. Selling only makes easier to catch the person.
Therefore, I think the real issue, is that privacy, as we used to conceive it, is no longer. You can be put on film almost in any place, for security reason in your city, in the elevator, etc. Remember the case of the executive that was caught by the camera making up with another from the same company, which was against the policy of the company in a security video and got fired. It was the street, a public place, in front of the company building, the security camera caught it.
The lesson is, from my point of view; if you are in public, assume you could be filmed, and end up in the web, it is not necessary at all a note or ad telling you that, today to know that is basic survival instinct. If you go to a Renfair party, then you know you could be filmed, and it could be ending up as fetish material for sexual gratification. Period.

A paedophile could said…Great!!!, so I can too go to children parties and meetings and film them, and distribute it on the web, it happens in public, so it is the same…. Well, no, Paedophilia is a crime is worth to invest the resources to track you down and put you away. Privacy on the other hand is not. Your best protection for your privacy is to remember, cameras are so cheap and so easy to hide, and images so cheap to reproduce then assume in public you could be caught on film.
Privacy is not what it used to be, but as a consolation, it could happen to all of us, somebody can be very happy of Renfair tickling material and not caring about how it was obtained, but in turn he/she could be caught in a non tickling situation that for any reason he/she would not like to be shown in the web, but since it happen in a public place, deal with it.
This lost of privacy is not all bad, it helps to prevent crimes, police abuse and many other good things too. Also, today some people could find a bit paranoid that cameras are everywhere, but maybe in 20 years time is will be a fact of life like any other.
 
OP: QUESTION(S) ANSWERED, THANK YOU.

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This Video is the best of the bunch, IMO.
It has it all!! Screaming Hot Chic with great reactions.
She learns her fate about 10 seconds into it. Her reaction is priceless.
At 55 sec. when he touches her feet with his hands the laughter and convulsions just tear through her. By the end, she's a wreck. Silent laughter ... the works.

This is one of the :firedevilhottest:firedevil things I've ever witnessed.

A sign would have ruined it.

A message for the detractors: take the stick out of your ass and enjoy this fine example of non-con at its best!

Thanks loads!! 😀 No pun. You just knowingly illustrated my point for me,

and whoever else doesn't get a kick out of abusing unsuspecting vanilla wo/men

& selling the evidence on the Internet for our entire known Universe to jerk off to. :xlime:
Highly unlikely any of them know these clips are posted here -- *Maybe some might've been alerted they're on YouTube... after the fact.

Informed consent hardly takes any effort. One sign --- Hell, just 2 symbols....


So yeah, these @$$wipes *do belong in that Gulag... 🙄 especially since I really doubt she knows it's gone international....

This one didn't look too traumatized --- but they're not going to broadcast those that were.
JUST INFORM THEM --- it's so easy to avoid any abuse of trust. :disgust:
 
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they have to know look at the position they get put in!
 
Some might know, but most are probably just passing through...

they have to know look at the position they get put in!

Yeah, but their shoes & socks are usually taken off *after they're locked in stocks,

and if they're not expecting anyone to actually FEEL THEM UP....
(Feet, sides, underarms, etc...) that could be quite a shock.
Here in the US it'd be a highly surprising intrusion...
 
Thanks loads!! 😀 No pun. You just knowingly illustrated my point for me,


You mean "unknowingly". Not an English major, I presume.

and whoever else doesn't get a kick out of abusing unsuspecting vanilla wo/men & selling the evidence on the Internet for our entire known Universe to jerk off to.

Abusing? That's laughable. She went into those stocks under her own power, and by her own choice.
What did you think she expected, a popsicle and a massage?

For some people tickling is fun, not abuse.
Leave your own fucked up personal demons out of this, for Chrissake.

Highly unlikely any of them know these clips are posted here -- *Maybe some might've been alerted they're on YouTube... after the fact.

And Mars might have little green men living there.
You do an awful lot of assuming and speculating, when in fact, you have no idea how they really feel about any of this.
You're basing your opinions on how you would feel if it happened to you. We get it. But you don't speak for everyone.

Informed consent hardly takes any effort. One sign --- Hell, just 2 symbols....

You sound like a broken record. Repeating the same thing over and over and over. It doesn't change what happened: Marco chose to utilize a little something called the element of surprise. As you can see, it was quite effective.

So yeah, these @$$wipes *do belong in that Gulag.

Good Lord. I would like to think you're kidding, but I know you're not.
Address your abuse issues with your psychiatrist, and leave us out of it.


especially since I really doubt she knows it's gone international....

More speculation. *yawn*

This one didn't look too traumatized --- but they're not going to broadcast those that were.

Still more. *snore*

JUST INFORM THEM --- it's so easy to avoid any abuse of trust.

Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. You are powerless to change it. Accept it.
The Borg has spoken.
 
Oh, this time you felt you could perhaps handle each of my statements...?

You mean "unknowingly". Not an English major, I presume.

No, you're just not telepathic, original or imaginative, I see. You presumed incorrectly, that term was intentional... and
that's the point of this thread.
YOU PRESUME to make assumptions
as far as how others can, do or will feel or think
about stocks, tickling, filming or posting...

I gave you (clearly too much) credit for living up to your "master baiter" screenname, is all. :illogical

Abusing? That's laughable. She went into those stocks under her own power, and by her own choice.
What did you think she expected, a popsicle and a massage?

Yet again -- since I DON'T ASSUME, I don't claim to know WHAT she expected.... Just to be jokingly *verbally mocked, perhaps,

not to have her feet ferociously tickled --- OR maybe she expected ONE OR TWO LITTLE POKES AT *MOST AND THAT'S IT...???
THE POINT IS --- I don't know, neither do you, and Marco didn't care.


For some people tickling is fun, not abuse.
Leave your own fucked up personal demons out of this, for Chrissake.

Again, YOU'RE assuming. Here in the US such touching is a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen --- with good reason.
Key words --"For SOME people tickling is fun" --- How do YOU OR MARCO KNOW WHO it's fun for?? ----- you don't.

I may not like non-con but --- by definition --- no one does.
No one likes to be taken for granted & imposed upon. If you don't know how someone will react --- you need to ask first before springing significant tickling on them... or tickle-torture to any extent...

And Mars might have little green men living there.
You do an awful lot of assuming and speculating, when in fact, you have no idea how they really feel about any of this.
You're basing your opinions on how you would feel if it happened to you. We get it. But you don't speak for everyone.

Obviously --- I have to repeat myself because you continue to do so, except ...without getting the point ---- WHICH IS ---- YOU CAN'T ASSUME THEY'LL LIKE IT!!! Neither you nor I can speak for any of those women
THEREFORE ---- This is clearly wrong. They need to be informed. Even subtly ---

I'm saying they MIGHT not like tickling or filming --- Therefore there should be clear & FAIR WARNING.
You sound like a broken record. Repeating the same thing over and over and over. It doesn't change what happened: Marco chose to utilize a little something called the element of surprise. As you can see, it was quite effective.

See above. Yeah, I also keep saying *I would love it as long as the guy's not an inconsiderate jerk, but that doesn't penetrate --- 🙄
------And no fucking way would I want that on film --- :shock:

It MIGHT have been pleasant for this woman --- like I said (and again I have to repeat since you're either purposely obtuse or really don't see the nose in front of your face...) NOT EVERYONE WILL ENJOY IT ---- I therefore assume nothing ---

YOU'RE assuming or claiming every woman will love this or should have to shut up, put up & endure it
----- Bullshit. 😡
Good Lord. I would like to think you're kidding, but I know you're not.
Address your abuse issues with your psychiatrist, and leave us out of it.

Really? Well if Marco is to be jailed that WOULD change this, he'd pay for taking massive liberties without minimal fair warning. And others won't think they can get away with imposing personal fetishes & secret filming.

She also never looks at the camera --- She probably had no clue about that EITHER --- That IS criminal as well as unethical.

THAT I would certainly not want. EVEN MOST OF US PERVERTS HERE by far do not have our faces plastered all over...

More speculation. *yawn*....
...Still more. *snore*

From you, yes. I don't make assumptions on other people's behalves, --- AGAIN (they say some learn through repetition...)
I DON'T ASSUME THEY'LL ENJOY IT, AND NEITHER CAN YOU... :sherlock:

Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. You are powerless to change it. Accept it.
The Borg has spoken.

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The Borg Collective?!?!?! :shock: oh yes, that's PERFECT: by definition, repetitive, un-or-anti-individual,

no warmth, no feeling, no consideration.... (no normal sex...)

just....COLD METALLIC UNFEELING COMRADESHIP <a href="http://www.glitter-graphics.com"><img src="http://dl10.glitter-graphics.net/pub/437/437790oyte4siapv.gif" width=100 height=18 border=0></a>
in the quest to crush, dominate & indoctrinate the warm-blooded.

*

Sneaky Bullies of the Stocks Unite...


*

But of course that "resistance is futile" bullcrap COMMIE WAR PROPAGANDA is blown to smithereens once again...

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Hey

Can I ask all you dumbasses a question? Who The FUCK cares. It's fun to watch.
 
Well sure, fun for US....

Can I ask all you dumbasses a question? Who The FUCK cares. It's fun to watch.

The question is --- are the victims (?) happy about it? Is it fun for THEM?

That's the problem --- So many people here don't give a fuck about anyone else.

It's GREAT fun to watch :woot2: --- if they're not upset, unwilling, unhappy
and feel used afterward since they had no warning & didn't see it coming.

And then if they see it on the Internet later --- Might REALLY be much less fun for them 🙁

ALL we're asking is --- FAIR & FULL warning so it's fun for them too

rather than a smartass' cheap stunt that makes them run for a shower.
 
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Check out the infectious and delightful giggle on this fetching Asian Sensation!

If she weren't having such a great time, I would swear she was being mercilessly tortured and in desperate need of therapy.

Enjoy!
 
Yet again -- since I DON'T ASSUME, I don't claim to know WHAT she expected....

Just to be jokingly *verbally mocked, perhaps
not to have her feet ferociously tickled ---OR maybe she expected ONE OR TWO LITTLE POKES AT *MOST AND THAT'S IT...???

For someone who DOESN'T ASSUME, you sure make a lot of assumptions.
I think denial is a more fitting term.




Again, YOU'RE assuming.



That these *particular* women are not emotionally scarred by a few minutes in the stocks? I have eyes, I can see they are not traumatized.

They are grown women, if they had a problem with it, they would ask to be released. They don't.

They would also be smart enough not to go willingly into such a compromising position. Common sense dictates that. You're assuming these women are naive' lambs led to the slaughter. I'm giving them more credit than that.

Here in the US such touching is a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen --- with good reason.

Then sue them. Sue their asses off. Empty threats get you nowhere.
You would be extremely hard pressed to find a lawyer who would consider taking a case like this.


I may not like non-con but --- by definition --- no one does.

I disagree. To the rest of the world tickling is non-con. No one asks for permission.

I would ask you to get real and be reasonable, but that's asking too much from someone as close-minded and litigious as you.




This is clearly wrong. They need to be informed. Even subtly

I'm saying they MIGHT not like tickling or filming --- Therefore there should be clear & FAIR WARNING.

There are certainly subtle signs. The wheel of feathers near the stocks for one, but you didn't notice that, what with all the blind rage and everything.


YOU'RE assuming or claiming every woman will love this or should have to shut up, put up & endure it.


I never once said that every woman would love this. I am showing examples of those who appear to.
If it was such an illegal and degrading act, it wouldn't have been allowed to go on nearly as long as it did. As I stated before, Marco has dozens of hours of footage. That says it all right there.

Face it, you're in the moral minority here.


Really? Well if Marco is to be jailed that WOULD change this.

She also never looks at the camera --- She probably had no clue about that EITHER --- That IS criminal as well as unethical.

Hahaha! Marco's doing just peachy, but you can fantasize all you want.
Good God, woman. Someone must have fucked you up pretty badly on your way here.
 
Good question.......they do look rather surprised. I wish I could understand what's being said in some of the clips. Has anyone been able to translate or decipher a couple words at a time?
 
The question is --- are the victims (?) happy about it? Is it fun for THEM?

That's the problem --- So many people here don't give a fuck about anyone else.

It's GREAT fun to watch :woot2: --- if they're not upset, unwilling, unhappy
and feel used afterward since they had no warning & didn't see it coming.

And then if they see it on the Internet later --- Might REALLY be much less fun for them 🙁

ALL we're asking is --- FAIR & FULL warning so it's fun for them too

rather than a smartass' cheap stunt that makes them run for a shower.

LOL its only a renfaire clip
if i was you STOP WATCHING TICKLING CLIPS
you were crying about the tickleslave vids the other day
(saying how real they were)
LOL again
 
If they saw the videos afterward....

In my opinion, if one of these girls saw a video of herself getting tickled in the stocks at a Renfaire, as she's depicted laughing and clearly not upset, they probably shrug and not care.

After all, the event itself is not sexual, and some of us are making the common psychological mistake of projection -- we're assuming other people will think of it sexually just because we do.

To me, if the original event isn't sexual, someone isn't likely to be traumatized by someone else viewing it that way. For example, let's say a bunch of girls were playing beach volleyball in bikinis. Let's say I videotaped them without their consent on a public beach. Then I posted the video, put to sexy music, with slow motion closeups of them jumping up and down that made it seem sexy, instead of an innocent game.

To me that's a very close analogy to the video aspect here (I realize it's different in the "being touched" aspect). So the question is: would that girl be traumatized that someone was viewing her innocent experience sexually? No. I just don't think so. They'd think, "I wasn't doing anything strange. I was just playing volleyball." Many of them would be even be amused by the video.

So in my view, the very fact that they didn't choose to do anything sexual or lewd (unlike the urination contest), actually insulates them from shame. Does that make sense?

All that said... let me make a more obvious point: this whole conversation is completely moot as none of these videos have been made in years!

To my chagrin. 🙂
 
So the question is: would that girl be traumatized that someone was viewing her innocent experience sexually?

Traumatized? No. Pissed? Possibly, if not probably! I just the other day brought that up to a few friends of mine with a total different example. I told them to imagine that they were filmed at a public place while blowing up a balloon, and later they happen to find that very clip at a website for balloon fetishists. I asked them what they would do. They all said "I would sue them!".

And that is the very reason that pictures or clips of someone should not be published without that person's consent.
 
Yeah, we're such party poopers because we don't want clips or pics of us on a fetish site...shame on us, really! WE are the one who should be punished! :dom:
 
Moving this to the right thread...

If they've been walking around the faire seeing others put into the stocks. Yeah, i'd say they know. If they just got in then probably not.

Touching on the whole being filmed consent thing. Originally the canelli renfaire vids were set up as a momento for the person who got stocked. Something to take home from vacation. Much like ones own video footage from vacation. After finding out the guy filming was also putting those vids up for sale he was removed from the faire.
 
Traumatized? No. Pissed? Possibly, if not probably! I just the other day brought that up to a few friends of mine with a total different example. I told them to imagine that they were filmed at a public place while blowing up a balloon, and later they happen to find that very clip at a website for balloon fetishists. I asked them what they would do. They all said "I would sue them!".

And that is the very reason that pictures or clips of someone should not be published without that person's consent.

You know....i really think you girls get a bit closed by living in Germany. If you had grew up in a beack country and beach culture, you´d be pretty much ok with your bodies being seen on a sexual context.

I´ll give you an example: When i was 19 i used to play football (soccer) at the beach with my friends all summer. It was quite usual to have younger girls on the sand just watching us and they had this look.....hahahah you had to see 🙂 we were quite attractive back then 😀 I was incredibly fit, very strong legs and perfect abdominal muscles....these girls would just stare!!!! Mind you, i´m quite sure some of them had some fetish like leg, feet, arms, breast....whatever!!!! do i care???? not really 😀 it was fun 🙂

And i give you this on a guy´s perspective....now believe me i would also stay and watch the girls playing beachvolley and i would be staring and their legs, feet, breasts.......reallly!!!!!!!!!!!!! for hours!!!! 😀

Not a single girl ever looked me in a wrong way. Some would not look, others would just smile 🙂

You see....we were simply used to it.

Also, when you speak about fetish sites and people with fetishes, you make it sound like we were freaks....but please watch again, we are not freaks. We are just open and truthfull about our fetishes, unlike most of the people who simply hide theirs. And believe pretty much everyone as some sort of sexual/playfull fixation over something....be it a body part, be it some kind of fantasy....every has it inside. Most people are simply too ashame to let it go and enjoy it.

So dont think too bad on us. I surely dont watch those videos and jerk off.....not really!!! i do masturbate and have a sexual normal life, but mostly i will have fantasies with friends or girls i know better....not really with those random videos. Doesnt work like that. I wonder if it works like that for you......

Often it seems to me you simply are not ok with your own fetish. Im sorry but you have to embrace it and enjoy it as best as you can. Fighting against it or considering it something wrong will not make your life easier and will surely not make it go away. I do hope this is not the case 🙂

Take care, enjoy life!!!!! have fun!!!!! we have no idea if we will have another ride, better we enjoy this one 😀
 
Just pick & choose the portions of quotes you want, INVENT & twist the rest...

For someone who DOESN'T ASSUME, you sure make a lot of assumptions.
I think denial is a more fitting term.

I'm not denying a thing. Clearly neither am I assuming. Unlike yourself.

I'M QUESTIONING --- as I said UMPTEEN TIMES already --- You're assuming a helluva lot.

You're assuming it's all peachy ---- that they don't mind being tickled or filmed ----MY POINT IS --- AGAIN --- YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT. Some might just go along with it -- and they shouldn't be pressured if they're not happy ---- KNOWING IN ADVANCE WITH FAIR WARNING makes all this moot.

For other women -- if there was a problem ---- THOSE CLIPS would NOT have been broadcast ---- we'd never see them, obviously.

That these *particular* women are not emotionally scarred by a few minutes in the stocks? I have eyes, I can see they are not traumatized.

They are grown women, if they had a problem with it, they would ask to be released. They don't.

They would also be smart enough not to go willingly into such a compromising position. Common sense dictates that. You're assuming these women are naive' lambs led to the slaughter. I'm giving them more credit than that.

You can see? You were there? So you can tell us which or HOW MANY video clips *weren't chosen for distribution, if the woman was upset??? :sherlock:
Suddenly realizing it's not just make-believe?

I'm assuming nothing -- that's the point I keep making. Some people ARE stupid --- others are TRUSTING ---- JUST HAVING THE DECENCY TO FULLY INFORM THEM makes this entire thread moot, and no one is made to feel stupid or used afterward.

Then sue them. Sue their asses off. Empty threats get you nowhere.
You would be extremely hard pressed to find a lawyer who would consider taking a case like this.

Really? If Marco is identifiable, if these Renfaires have his information if he had to register with them.... If the women have the luck to find these videos of themselves ---- with no permission granted ---- online, on fetish sites Marco belongs to, perhaps ---- Just the fact he filmed & released this might be enough, especially if there was ever any profit involved.


I disagree. To the rest of the world tickling is non-con. No one asks for permission.

I would ask you to get real and be reasonable, but that's asking too much from someone as close-minded and litigious as you.

I have no idea who you're describing --- You twist my words and make assumptions NOT ONLY FOR THESE WOMEN ---- BUT FOR ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU -----

I have said ad nauseum 🙄 I have no problem with any of this --- as long as the women are fully informed. As in ANY situation ----

You don't just grab.
Some jerk decides to grab me or tickle when he doesn't know (or obviously doesn't care) if I like it, or if I feel like it ---
He's risking a broken face. Those who grab without permission are committing an assault, even a minor one. If someone doesn't feel good or isn't in the mood --- That's an annoyance at best, and they may not WANT your hands on them, I DON'T ASSUME ANYONE WOULD want mine or anyone else's ---

You DON'T GRAB and don't impose your fetish on anyone
--even in stocks.
Unless they know what's coming -- they could think it's for show, again.




There are certainly subtle signs. The wheel of feathers near the stocks for one, but you didn't notice that, what with all the blind rage and everything.

Rage? You're the only one going on about that, an easy out for you, just accuse anyone who disagrees --- Oh, you're enraged!! You're being illogical!! Your point that I can't adequately defend against must be invalidated by my false accusations of emotional instability!! 🙄

Quit the Auto-Answer "Rage Accusation" distraction-bullshit when you have no adequate response --- You know as well as I do SIMPLE CONSIDERATION AND FULL INFORMATION SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM ---- except for guys like you

who can't get this any other way, apparently....
🙄

A wheel of feathers is obvious to you or me ---- If someone is standing in front of it, there's a crowd, for whatever reason they aren't paying attention or aren't thinking in those terms ---- Maybe JUST FOR SHOW??? THEY DON'T KNOW
JUST TELL THEM WHAT THEY'RE IN FOR --- SHOULDN'T BE SO DAMN DIFFICULT to be considerate.


I never once said that every woman would love this. I am showing examples of those who appear to.
If it was such an illegal and degrading act, it wouldn't have been allowed to go on nearly as long as it did. As I stated before, Marco has dozens of hours of footage. That says it all right there.

Face it, you're in the moral minority here.

Actually, you have made some truly ridiculous statements and at the very least you've been stating THEIR PERMISSION or CONSENT DOESN'T MATTER ---

As far as Marco -- he was shut down & out how many times??? :ermm: Nothing more like this has been done for years, as someone pointed out ---- Probably because he tricked the wrong person, and perhaps that woman didn't let him get away with it ---- Or perhaps the Renfaire people shut him out altogether.

Moral minority? For wanting FAIR & FULL DISCLOSURE? A simple warning, quietly whispered, a large sign ----
--- "OMG!! THAT'S.... HORRIBLE!!!!! (I) MUST BE... ENRAGED!!!"
:hysteriatrain:


Hahaha! Marco's doing just peachy, but you can fantasize all you want.
Good God, woman. Someone must have fucked you up pretty badly on your way here.

Oh, so you communicate with him? :illogical You know where he went & why this stopped?

You're fantasizing thinking every woman is either enjoying this or that she had better take it --- And the rest of us are cold & lawsuit-happy for wanting FAIR AND OPEN COMMUNICATION --- TICKLING WITHOUT TRICKERY. GEE ---- I must've really been abused for wanting SIMPLE DECENCY & FULL COMMUNICATION for others :facepalm:

You don't have any other answers ---- Everyone who disagrees with you is
ENRAGED AND MESSED UP ---- :shock: The outlandish concept of BASIC CONSIDERATION doesn't penetrate your cement helmet.


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You know....i really think you girls get a bit closed by living in Germany. If you had grew up in a beack country and beach culture, you´d be pretty much ok with your bodies being seen on a sexual context.

You don't get the concept of my concern at all! 🙂

I AM ok with my body being seen on a sexual context, so are all my friends. Do you think we never had anybody staring at us when we were going out wearing sexy clothes?

Now get this: I am a hobby model. I am also taking dessous and nude pictures. Am I aware that there might be people jacking off to those? O yes I am! But I know these photos exist and I know about that possibility!

It is pretty damn different if I find out someone SELLS these photos, or photos or clips I wasn't aware of being taking with that intend, in a sexual context! This could even lead to big conflicts as it might be looked at like you are willingly producing fetish stuff....I don't want to know what my boss would say if he came across something like that!
 
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