Do You Believe In The Afterlife?

[kis123]

Jericho, once again,.,. if you were worth getting banned, I'd post what I really think of you..

You're the maven, telling me when to "get over" the death of my mother? People who know far more than you, doctors, etc, told me you dont "get over" something like that. It merely becomes a somber reality of life.

If you knew anything about me.. you would know that I am thankful.

I have news for the people, Jericho and coldneck, who think you both know so fucking much!

MY FATHER, with all the problems I've had with him, told me that he feels very sorry that my mom left me with the mess to clean up alone. He also told me that no matter how old one is.. it doesnt stop them from mourning.

I just love how people on this forum think they can control how others feel. I;m sorry if I'm showing humanity, and am feeling it some on the first Mothers Day right after i lose my mom.

Memo to self: New life starting. Take a deep breath, and bail from the abuse on TMF. Right now, that is one of my biggest problems.

Mitch

I really wish you'd stop letting people push your emotional buttons....but I think you simply can't help yourself. Everyone is not going to agree with you and you must get past that. If not you're going to be miserable and will make those around you miserable too.

Just because people aren't going to agree with you or get on your emotional bus doesn't mean you have to fight with them to prove your point.

I'm hoping and praying for your peace and that you just turn it off and move forward as best as you can.......................

 

[Saeria]

I've had a few run in's with death as of late:


Personal Experience- I almost died. Before I faded out my surroundings became a beautiful haze of bright colors then instantly shut down. I felt myself floating in a dark nothingness for what felt like hours. I came to and immediately the cycle happened again. It finally stopped after the final defibrillator jolt set me to screaming. I didn't see Heaven, or Hell, or much of anything. What I did feel, however, was a settled kind of peace. For that moment in the darkness my chest didn't hurt and my inability to breathe didn't plague me.

Loss of a Loved one- This one has been much harder to handle than my own run in with death. A little over a month ago my husband died. Discount the odd, somewhat strained relationship he and I had. I miss him miserably. I have struggled to feel some sensation of his presence but there's nothing of him here. I have visited his grave, but I don't feel him there either. All I see is a mound of dirt obscuring a decaying body that used to belong to a man I loved and hated in equal fashion. When i look at it logically, however, no matter whether or not there really is a place your soul goes when you die, there is no longer pain. Pain dies with you. So I guess I take solace in knowing that whatever pain prompted him to seek his own end in such a way is now over. Sometimes the greatest comfort I find is not a promise that I'll see him again. Eventually I'll have to accept the fact that he really is gone. My greatest comfort is knowing that whatever was hurting him I couldn't fix in life, but perhaps death has alleviated.

I hope this helps.

 

[kis123]

Another Mitch thread, another soap opera.

I laugh.

Everyone has their options to either move on or to throw more coals in the fire.......

You can determine what side of the fence to sit on.

 

[kis123]

I've had a few run in's with death as of late:


Personal Experience- I almost died. Before I faded out my surroundings became a beautiful haze of bright colors then instantly shut down. I felt myself floating in a dark nothingness for what felt like hours. I came to and immediately the cycle happened again. It finally stopped after the final defibrillator jolt set me to screaming. I didn't see Heaven, or Hell, or much of anything. What I did feel, however, was a settled kind of peace. For that moment in the darkness my chest didn't hurt and my inability to breathe didn't plague me.

Loss of a Loved one- This one has been much harder to handle than my own run in with death. A little over a month ago my husband died. Discount the odd, somewhat strained relationship he and I had. I miss him miserably. I have struggled to feel some sensation of his presence but there's nothing of him here. I have visited his grave, but I don't feel him there either. All I see is a mound of dirt obscuring a decaying body that used to belong to a man I loved and hated in equal fashion. When i look at it logically, however, no matter whether or not there really is a place your soul goes when you die, there is no longer pain. Pain dies with you. So I guess I take solace in knowing that whatever pain prompted him to seek his own end in such a way is now over. Sometimes the greatest comfort I find is not a promise that I'll see him again. Eventually I'll have to accept the fact that he really is gone. My greatest comfort is knowing that whatever was hurting him I couldn't fix in life, but perhaps death has alleviated.

I hope this helps.

When you're ready, give me a PM.....we have more in common than you think and you're not alone by a long shot.

Thank you for sharing.....I know it wasn't easy.

 

[Leo tickles]

He's burnt it to the ground by this point, Kis. I've shared my opinion as everybody else has. He chose to start drama with people based off of nothing (or in his mind, the past "attacks")... and I'm sharing my opinion on that, too.

You can only start so many threads crying about the same God damned thing with different wording before it becomes sickening. His response to cold and the other poster just verifies that this is, indeed, more crying with different wording. Or if nothing else, became that as soon as he saw a username respond that he was hoping would ignore a public thread.

As for the rest of it all, I'm following the stories shared here and drawing my own opinions and theory's about them.


Oh and PS, Mitch: When something like this happens to me I won't be posting it on here of all places. I'll talk to my real friends about it, the ones that I can drive to whenever I want, stay however long I want, and spend MY money which I have control over at all times, how I want.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I have to believe what scriptures say about it. When we die, we are asleep. Earth is for people and Heaven is for God and the angels. Heaven didn't leave...we pulled away. One day we will see heaven but not right now. Heaven is about unity and we can't even live on a planet without tearing it apart with war. Even if Heaven was like another plane of existence unless we are of one mind we would tear that place apart too like Earth. It states in Revelations the afterlife will come eventually but not now. So no I don't believe in a spiritual afterlife as soon as you die.

 

[coldneck]

Well science and logic have absolutely no way to determine if there is a heaven or hell or even an afterlife at that matter. And thank goodness they don't.

People should be allowed to believe as they choose; trust me eventually we will all find out on our own one day......

I couldn't agree more!
Thank You KIS123!!!

 

[coldneck]

Jericho, once again,.,. if you were worth getting banned, I'd post what I really think of you.. Mitch

Mitch, perhaps we can make a deal with the Mods.
A "No d/q Cage Match" thread.
You can take on anyone who disagrees with you that you feel isn't well-meaning.

I, for one, would love to hear the comments that you believe would earn you a BAN.

I'm almost positive the TMF Mods would rest their Staff and allow you to speak freely without censor as long as the involved parties don't file formal complaints.

I would certainly welcome it.

 

[Mitchell]

I dont even know why I waste my time.

In a few weeks, Leo, I will be back amongst my real friends. In fact, I might be moving to a building in NY where one of my friends lives.

"Another Mitch threads with different wording". Tell ya what, Leo, if you dont like my threads, put me on ignore like i have you.

As I said before, cold.. I've worked very hard not to get banned. When I leave, I'm going to do so on my own terms, with my head held high.

Think.. down the road.. six months.. a year. I'm living in NY, I have my own apt, a new job, a business, life is getting better.. Even after I admit my foot and tickle fetishes to a girl I'm dating/involved with, does anyone really think I'm going to bring her here, to see threads like this, where stones are thrown at me, and its allowed?

The trolls are all going to have to find another person to let out their aggressions to, because Mitch wont be here anymore.

Mitch

 

[kis123]

I dont even know why I waste my time.

You could've stopped right here Mitch and spared yourself more grief.

I really am trying to help you but you won't let this go and it's only going to bring you more of what you don't want.

Please consider doing something else other than spitting in the wind.

You'll feel much better......

 

[Leo tickles]

lol

 

[kis123]

I agree. Mitchell keeps saying how this place is full of trolls, and yet continues to post threads about his personal life. Now, let's say for the sake of argument that everyone who posts in these threads IS in fact a troll. Where does that leave him? Continuously posting threads because he knows that the trolls are going to respond to him? Or posting and sitting in the corner nervously biting his nails and praying to God they don't see his threads?
But hey, negative attention is better than no attention, right?

I think Mitch has been doing a lot of thinking out loud on his keyboard which IMHO would be better served in a blog format instead of gen/dis. I don't think he's wrong and as far as dissenters are concerned, they are entitled to express their opinion in the public format.

But there are serious issues going on here and I think things would be better off if this thread would just cool off and end the way of the dinosaur if you know what I mean. Hopefully Mitch is somewhere cooling his heels and chilling the heck out. His mom's been gone only a short time and anger is little more than pain turned inside out.....process the pain and you've settled the anger problem IMO.

 

[kis123]

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with you. There are some serious issues in his life, and regarding his view on life, and who is responsible for what, and he has every right to be frustrated at the people he doesn't agree with, I wouldn't be thinking rationally if I lost a family member and people were questioning their entry into heaven, and I probably wouldn't remain civil either.

Simply put, a lot of people don't believe in religion so they wouldn't believe in an afterlife or heaven or hell. It's a matter of public discussion and although I don't agree with their views, they're entitled to express their opinion on the matter. But if the responses are so upsetting that you're fighting with those with opposing viewpoints, what was the sense of creating the thread in the first place?

That being said, I wouldn't post anything on the internet that could provoke any responses of that nature if I felt I was going to react that way, because that would be selfish, and assuming that everyone has the same view as me and would want to agree with me. When you post in a forum with this many people you are going to get people of different opinions, and it's important I think to realise that before one hits the post button.

After nearly nine years on this forum, I've learned some of my lessons the hard way that came with a lot of public embarrassment and egg on my face. But it's helped me to learn to pick my battles and to thoroughly think about what I'm willing to put out into the public because I can guarantee that someone's not going to agree with me on one level or another. And they are within their right to think as they please and formulate any opinion they want.

 

[Mitchell]

I have one final thing to say, and then I'm going to retire from this thread, both because I'm going to be out of town this weekend, and also because it isnt worth debating anymore..

Everyone in my life, family, friends, etc, is very concerned about me this weekend. My friend Adam's mother called me to offer support, saying to me that the first Mother's Day is always the most difficult, and then it will get easier. I hope shes right.

Whether people like my "timeframe" or not, I've been busting my ass to get out of here. Once again, anyone can say I've been dragging my feet, but only my father, my aunt, and I know the true conditon of my apartment.

I dont expect anyone to understand.. or to care. Mean sprited things are posted under the guise of an "opinion", and then if I retaliate or threaten to leave because I'm fed up, I'm, the bad guy.

Simple solution: Dont post anything of this nature, people have no fuel. When I wake up in my friend's apartment on Sunday morning, however I'm feeling, I will discuss it with family and friends, and not on this forum.. As such, I'm not leaving myself open to "opinions", which are really just mean spirited mud slinging.

Mitch

 

[Angel77]

I personally believe in one, but that's just me. 🙂

 

[Jagermeistered]

The afterlife is good for getting revenge on your enemies! The shit you can to their mom during 'Gods' dinner.

 

[Jericho716]

When I wake up in my friend's apartment on Sunday morning, however I'm feeling, I will discuss it with family and friends, and not on this forum..

Thank you Mitchell. I think you should do more of that from here on out to help you feel better and heal properly. God bless you, my good friend.

 

[CrystalLight]

When Jim died, I stopped believing in God.

I'm still not back on solid ground.

 

[Mitchell]

Crystal, I completely understand how you feel.

Since I got into trouble, and incurred many people's wraith when I said I didnt believe in "God", I'll just say this..

I've always viewed "God", in the way that my maternal grandfather used to.. as a scientific force that controls the universe, instead of in a deeply religious way.

After seeing the suffering my mom went through, with the cancer ordeal, the treatment which ultimately failed, and then having her life cut short far sooner than any of the doctors expected, I seriously question "God".. and,, if there is a "God", whether he remembers or loves/loved my mom and me, if he put us through such hell.

If there was a reason for his cruelty toward my mom and me, then I hope she is at least happy in the afterlife. As for me, a new chapter will be beginning for me in a few weeks. The old addage of "God halps those who help themselves". Well... so far with many of the things that happened to my mom and me, I dont feel that true for either of us. I'm hoping that changes when I get back to NY.

Mitch

 

[CrystalLight]

The biggest thing I learned from Jim's death is that you don't grasp shit until it happens to someone you love.

I would've been in this thread a year ago thumping my chest about how amazing God is and blah blah blah blah.. But , after witnessing what I did.. & experiencing what I'm still experiencing.. I cannot say with conviction yet that I do.

I feel more spiritual of late instead of religious.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Mitch,

Do not put so much thought into it! We are all bred into this third(maybe fourth) dimensional, biological world. Nobody asked for mortality - as far as we know it. If you can not laugh on your last day, did you spend your time here enjoying yourself?

 

[Jagermeistered]

The biggest thing I learned from Jim's death is that you don't grasp shit until it happens to someone you love.

I would've been in this thread a year ago thumping my chest about how amazing God is and blah blah blah blah.. But , after witnessing what I did.. & experiencing what I'm still experiencing.. I cannot say with conviction yet that I do.

I feel more spiritual of late instead of religious.

Its good that you are coping on your own terms! *Hugs C-Light*

 

[louisarr]

Interesting topic.
Difficult answer.