Do you refuse to suck a binky, and hate the word PWN?

[CrystalLight]

To the best of my knowledge, the TMF's ruleset forbids the attacking of other TMF members, but makes no mention of attacking behavioral trends. Once again, if this is not the case, I invite the mods and admins to clarify.

So that's how you do it!

 

[badreligion]

Can't we all just agree to disagree ?

 

[Mister Scruff]

Can't we all just agree to disagree ?

Stop derailing the drama. I mean, the thread; stop derailing the thread.

 

[CrystalLight]

Doing so only makes people more likely to continue pissing and whinging at you in the future, because they know they'll get a rise out of you and, let's face it, in a lot of cases that's all they're after.

Gods am I familiar with that already.

My advice to you would be to leave this sort of shit alone in future. Let it fester and die in the corner, leave the detractors to their hugboxes, and just rise above it. You probably won't take this advice because you're a belligerent little shit and I honestly think you like the drama as much as other people like causing it, and that's fine by me. Crabsnatch likes the drama too; the more dramatic the better.

Crabsnatch. <33 (I knew it was you the minute you posted awhile back. 😛)

I won't take the advice because I am a belligerent little shit who refuses to allow others to think they can talk to or about myself or my friends. If that makes me a lover of teh dramz? So be it.

In fact ignore my fucking advice; this place is unhealthily sanitised and "flame-free" enough as it is. Stir moar drama.

lawlercopter.

 

[natural tickler]

well, my eyes are hurting from reading this thread, so you all owe me some Advil....lol


to try to put a cap on this once and for all, allow me to indulge

we all have different tastes, and this forum have many different flavors to choose from. find the flavor that suits your needs. to criticize one flavor because it doesn't agree with you is wrong.

That is the beauty of this forum, a lot to choose from. find out what works for you and stick with that

I have often heard the words clique, crew, group, and lemme say I wish those words didn't exist, because the goal of this place, and I've said it from Day 1 I've been here, is that we are one whole, not the sum of its parts. We are a community, and it is high time we started acting like it.

Not everything here is everyone's cup of tea, and everyone is not gonna like everyone, I know, naive to think anything otherwise, but to call out others because of what you don't like helps no one here. the forum is only as strong as its members, and if we keep sniping at each other, it won't survive

I have met many people on this forum, and I consider those I've met more than friends, they are family to me, and that is saying a lot

And the people you are aiming at about what you don't like, I have met them personally, and they are very good peeps. I love them bunches, their way of communicating may not be agreeable to everyone, but is unique in its own

So please, let us all finish with this, and go back to what we were doing beforehand, having fun.

That is the whole point right??? because honestly, I am a little old for all this drama, if I wanted drama, soap operas is what I'll watch

 

[natural tickler]

oh yeah, one more thing, to actually believe that people should stop doing what they do and change just because you complain about it is downright silly. People are free to do whatever and shouldn't be attacked just because


This is still a free country, right??

 

[BellaRisa]

This is still a free country, right??

Yes, yes it is. Which is why this is ridiculous.

What's bemusing me most about this is all the emails and PMs flying around about 'favoritism' on the part of the mods and others. Yes, I typed that out loud. Go ahead, gasp and swoon, I'll wait...meanwhile, good and fair people are being accused of 'protecting' the 'clique'. Like anyone involved needs protection 🙄 And like we've never defended a subject we considered worthy before, never dealt with bullies and nonsense on this forum before this year...honestly, the whining is ridiculous and my being a mod isn't going to stop me from saying that, nor should it. We've defended everything from breastfeeding to BDSM to monogamy (yes I said monogamy) on this forum, but now folks are stage-whispering about clique protection because we aren't sitting back and let people poop on those who enjoy a few current fads and ways of speaking?. What?? It's a load of baloney. And what's truly sad is the ones whispering KNOW that, they're just being cranky. Which is fine, as long as they expect to be called on it. Let me tell you something, there's a BUNCH of 'cliques' on this forum. Again, yes I typed that out loud. There's the Family Guy nuts, the Binky nuts, the WoW nuts, the NEST nuts...representatives were all at my house a few weeks ago, co-mingling and being themselves and having a ball on common ground. As we should; we're all into different things, and when we find others into tickling *and* our other interests (!!) of course we're going to embrace that even deeper bond; in a world where people feel so alone so often, who wouldn't shout it from the rooftops when they found this much in common? You have to have a heart of gold...meaning cold and yellow...to deny people that and act as though their joy is ruining your experience.

The fads in question will fade. Only to be replaced by other, newer fads. And the cranky folks will either lighten up or fade away, and those who enjoyed the current fads will embrace the newbies and allow them their joy as they were once embraced by those who came before them. Those with an open mind, self esteem and some compassion, anyway...

/rant

 

[drew70]

drew70:To the best of my knowledge, the TMF's ruleset forbids the attacking of other TMF members, but makes no mention of attacking behavioral trends. Once again, if this is not the case, I invite the mods and admins to clarify.

MTP Jeff:What makes you think anyone is saying Helena broke a rule? Is it possible that you're talking about something else entirely and trying to pretend that you're not?

I think I can read the thread as well as anybody. And no, I don't see anybody using those specific words, but there is much inference that Helena's post was inappropriate. Some reacted with indignance and others with downright hostility that was directed at Helena personally. There are at least two moderators taking an opposing posture against her that goes beyond simple disagreement.

I know what it's like to be outnumbered like that, so I'm compelled to point out in Helena's defense that nothing she said was a violation of any kind, and if that's true, then she was grossly mistreated.

So let's set the record straight, shall we? Was Helena's opening post in this thread a violation of the GR, and if so, can you explain how?
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[TMF Jeff]

So let's set the record straight, shall we? Was Helena's opening post in this thread a violation of the GR, and if so, can you explain how?

Ok, let's indeed set the record straight. I don't exist to justify whatever retarded theory you come up with on a weekly basis about how persecuted you are. You invented this concern about a GR violation, and you can invent an explanation for it the same way.

That said, I would appreciate it if you would stick to the topic at hand, and not invent sidetracks that exist only to enhance your image of yourself as a martyr.

The subject is binkies and saying pwn ruining helena's experience, not whether or not you're satisfied that she hasn't been accused of something.

 

[Tamia78]

I suppose I'm one of the cranky people you talked about then, Bella, because I certainly don't fit into any one of the other groups.

I know you have friends, GOOD friends, but frankly, I haven't seen this much mod posting in like...........oh.....EVER! Favoritism? I don't know about that, but I can definitely see how people could come to that conclusion. Everyone here is trying to make a point, and it's getting looked over in favor of some drama, mud-slinging and name-calling. There's opinions everywhere, and none of us are willing to listen to anyone else, so we draw our own conclusions. That happens all the time. If this truly was a community, ANYONE AND EVERYONE should and would be willing to "sit down" if you will, and discuss things. But everyone is just attacking, content to keep the standard of being exclusive or "in the clique". Of course you are going to defend what you think is right. But understand that people of differing opinions think they are right, and will defend their opinions. I'm almost POSITIVE that the PMs and stage-whispers don't only come from one group. I don't believe that for a second. What if it turns out that both sides are wrong........what then?

This whole business is just stupid. I hate when my friends fight like this.

--T

 

[badreligion]

Stop derailing the drama. I mean, the thread; stop derailing the thread.

lol the thread is going around in circles . Like i said who cares ? there is only a select few people who use that sorta banter and they are all close friends and its one way for them to express the friendship . If people dont like it oh well its a big forum and sure your gonna run across it from time to time but is it really that big a deal ?

 

[Mister Scruff]

lol the thread is going around in circles . Like i said who cares ?

I care; this is the best bitch thread we've had in ages. Why would you ruin this for me you Mexican? Eh? Why would you do that to me? I thought you loved me you speedo-wearing oily-man! 🙁

Crabsnatch. <33 (I knew it was you the minute you posted awhile back. 😛)

And yet you didn't give me no lovin'. I'm starting to wonder if you ever cared about me at all 🙁 🙁

I won't take the advice because I am a belligerent little shit who refuses to allow others to think they can talk to or about myself or my friends.

Add "predictable" to that list <3

If that makes me a lover of teh dramz? So be it.

It does, it very much does indeed. Is that a bad thing? Let's let the audience decide! Actually let's not because they're cunts; it's a good thing, drama is what makes the world go round and long may it continue!

lawlercopter.

It's roflcopter you illiterate scumbag; don't make me come down there.

<333

 

[BellaRisa]

Join us, join uuuuusssss ;-P

I suppose I'm one of the cranky people you talked about then, Bella, because I certainly don't fit into any one of the other groups.

Nope, you're a Family Guy person and "they" talk about you too, because you had the nerve to enjoy NEST and post about it. Yes, that's silly. Yes, it happens

 

[baldadonis]

I suppose I'm one of the cranky people you talked about then, Bella, because I certainly don't fit into any one of the other groups.

I love you Tamia, but I have to call you on this. You are a member of Team Mort Goldman and thus you are officially a Family Guy nut. In fact if I look at your signature, I believe it says "Winners of the NEST 2008 Family Guy Trivia."

This whole business is just stupid. I hate when my friends fight like this.

I totally agree with you. For actual friends to be fighting over this thread is upsetting. But where people have had to go on the offensive because their behaviors were specifically called out as suspect, I understand. And where people have had to go on the offensive because someone attempts to spin the wording of this thread to hide that intent to call out those with the above apparently undesirable behaviors, I again understand.

Hopefully, tempers will subside and those who are actually friends will resume acting like it again. And hopefully those that are coming to this thread just to stir shit and keep the drama going will get distracted having to eat all their Thanksgiving leftovers and stay away from this thread.

Badreligion, I actually completely agree with you. The fact that about five people engage in the behavior that was described by the OP should never been an issue. But people's feelings got hurt so it became an issue.

 

[badreligion]

I care; this is the best bitch thread we've had in ages. Why would you ruin this for me you Mexican? Eh? Why would you do that to me? I thought you loved me you speedo-wearing oily-man! 🙁



And yet you didn't give me no lovin'. I'm starting to wonder if you ever cared about me at all 🙁 🙁



Add "predictable" to that list <3



It does, it very much does indeed. Is that a bad thing? Let's let the audience decide! Actually let's not because they're cunts; it's a good thing, drama is what makes the world go round and long may it continue!



It's roflcopter you illiterate scumbag; don't make me come down there.

<333

lol

 

[baldadonis]

Nope, you're a Family Guy person and "they" talk about you too, because you had the nerve to enjoy NEST and post about it. Yes, that's silly. Yes, it happens

You beat me to the punch on that one while I was typing a lengthier reply.

 

[classy]

WOW

I am with Natural on this one all the way... Advil please.

OK .... I usually mind my own business BUT I have to speak how I feel on this as well.
I agree we are a COMMUNITY and of all flavors, but in my eyes that is what makes it so much fun and unique. If we all liked the same ice cream or music etc.... what a boring life it would be.
I am not into spanking, binki's etc but I sooooo love the ones that are, and find it intriguing on their open mindedness, how loving and caring they are towards me and everyone else I have seen them encounter (family is so right). As for slang (pwnd) that is just fun silliness that keeps us all playful. Kinda like when we were young saying different words that our own parents rolled their eyes at. I myself just find it fun.
I also know that things being typed on here can come across so differently. Ten people can read the same paragraph and each having their own way of taking that same paragraph. That being said and having known Helena for a long time, am sure it wasn't meant to sound so rough. I do hope that we all learn to accept people for who they are... we don't have to like it for ourselves but be open to love and understand those that do. If we can do that we will feel at home no matter what we are or are not into.

I love you all with all my heart.

 

[BellaRisa]

You beat me to the punch on that one while I was typing a lengthier reply.

I'm just glad you see my point; Tamia loves all kinds of people around here and would *never* consider herself part of some clique, but you don't have to in order for the Crankies to label you a clique member; you just have to publically admit to having (gasp!) attended something and (double gasp!!) had fun doing something that not everyone here does. And god forbid you happen refer to something that only those who did that 'whatever' would really get, then you're REALLY exclusionary because not all 80,000 members were there, only 110 or so. You dirty elitist you 🙄

 

[baldadonis]

I am with Natural on this one all the way... Advil please.

OK .... I usually mind my own business BUT I have to speak how I feel on this as well.
I agree we are a COMMUNITY and of all flavors, but in my eyes that is what makes it so much fun and unique. If we all liked the same ice cream or music etc.... what a boring life it would be.
I am not into spanking, binki's etc but I sooooo love the ones that are, and find it intriguing on their open mindedness, how loving and caring they are towards me and everyone else I have seen them encounter (family is so right). As for slang (pwnd) that is just fun silliness that keeps us all playful. Kinda like when we were young saying different words that our own parents rolled their eyes at. I myself just find it fun.
I also know that things being typed on here can come across so differently. Ten people can read the same paragraph and each having their own way of taking that same paragraph. That being said and having known Helena for a long time, am sure it wasn't meant to sound so rough. I do hope that we all learn to accept people for who they are... we don't have to like it for ourselves but be open to love and understand those that do. If we can do that we will feel at home no matter what we are or are not into.

I love you all with all my heart.

Couldn't agree with you more Classy. That was a wonderful, eloquent post. I'm quoting it so everyone can take a second look at it in this ridiculously obtuse thread.

 

[Fangz]

I made a negative remark about the phrase PWNED but I don't insult people who frequently use it on the internet. I just don't want to use it much the same way in the mid-80s I didn't want to say "Where's The Beef?" to everyone. People can say what they want but I have the right not to say the term yes? Is this thread about simply the word itself or people who use it as well because I may have mis-read and as I said don't want to insult anyone.

 

[CrystalLight]

So let's set the record straight, shall we? Was Helena's opening post in this thread a violation of the GR, and if so, can you explain how?

Holy shit, drew. Stop derailing the thread to aide your own cause. What the fuck does that have to do with the main topic here?

 

[baldadonis]

Holy shit, drew. Stop derailing the thread to aide your own cause. What the fuck does that have to do with the main topic here?

Nothing. I believe that was the point.

 

[Sandrock74]

*wakes up, rubs eyes, scratches butt, yawns*

Wow! This thread is still going strong? I guess I'm glad it's back on topic, no thanks to me. I have to say that Tamia makes a lot of sense and she put it much better than I could, so I'll just say that I agree with her.

 

[badreligion]

*wakes up, rubs eyes, scratches butt, yawns*

Wow! This thread is still going strong? I guess I'm glad it's back on topic, no thanks to me. I have to say that Tamia makes a lot of sense and she put it much better than I could, so I'll just say that I agree with her.

lol shocking isnt it

 

[CrystalLight]

The reason this thread is as hostile in pieces and ongoing as it is, is because it's political, through and through.

As proven here:

I think I can read the thread as well as anybody. And no, I don't see anybody using those specific words, but there is much inference that Helena's post was inappropriate. Some reacted with indignance and others with downright hostility that was directed at Helena personally. There are at least two moderators taking an opposing posture against her that goes beyond simple disagreement.

I know what it's like to be outnumbered like that, so I'm compelled to point out in Helena's defense that nothing she said was a violation of any kind, and if that's true, then she was grossly mistreated.

So let's set the record straight, shall we? Was Helena's opening post in this thread a violation of the GR, and if so, can you explain how?

and here:

I feel for Helena. I really do. I know what it's like to voice an opinion about a specific behavior and then watch the herd of arrogant self-righteous line up one by one and take their shot.

Here's something I have difficulty rationalizing. The binky kids' arguments basically amount to, "hey, if we like binkies, pigtails and baby talk, we should be able to do so without being flamed about it."

I actually agree with this. You should. But you're unwilling to grant that same consideration to those of us who think this trend is disturbing, weird, or even downright retarded. You treat it as a personal attack, but in reality it isn't. It's attacking a behavior or a trend, not a person.

Allow me to illustrate with a hypothetical. TMF member Ticklebabe27 loves wearing a binky at gatherings, speaks lolcat broken English in many of her posts. Tickledude64 sees this trend of lolcat talk and Binkies gaining momentum. There's any number of public ways he could react, but here are three possibilities:

Scenario 1 - Tickledude64 posts, "Have you seen the way Ticklebabe27 speaks all that lolcat? Jesus, what a retard!"

This would be a textbook TMF GR violation, because he attacks another member specifically.

Scenario 2 - Tickledude64 posts, "I'm hear to tell you, anybody who speaks lolcat is a freakin retard in my book."

This is borderline. He doesn't name anybody specific, but speaks in a more general sense. Still, the attack is against people, and so could be interpreted as a violation if one really wanted to.

Scenario 3 - Tickledude64 posts, "I think that speaking lolcat is a pretty retarded thing to do, as is the wearing of binkies at social gatherings. I really hate this fucked up and disturbing trend."

He's no longer attacking people but attacking specific behaviors. Now Ticklebabe64 might think, "ZOMG!! I IS BEEN ATTAKT!" But she's not. She's taking it personally because she has chosen to identify with this behavior.

"But drew," you say. "If he's attacking the behavior, and everybody knows she behaves this way, that's just as bad as attacking HER!"

No, it isn't. He's attacking a specific action or activity, not the person doing it. You can love a person but hate some of the things they do. Because what they do is seldom reflective of WHO THEY ARE, most certainly not in the case of lolcat baby talk and pacifier sucking. If her feelings get hurt from what he said, it's because she connected that particular activity to herself as a person. She made the connection, not he.

When one publicizes his/her participation in any strange behavior, there will be people who think it's cool and others who think it isn't. If you're acting weird in public way, you can't reasonably expect everybody be on board with it. It is equally unreasonable to expect those who think it's funny, strange, weird or disturbing to keep quiet about their feelings. Sorry guys, but society is just not that accommodating.

To the best of my knowledge, the TMF's ruleset forbids the attacking of other TMF members, but makes no mention of attacking behavioral trends. Once again, if this is not the case, I invite the mods and admins to clarify.