EXCLUSIVE AGREEMENTS IN THE FETISH INDUSTRY: TIME TO GROW UP, PRODUCERS!

[SoleMates]

3 - Shortly thereafter the model goes on vacation, and decides to look for some work in the area while she is there and finds a gig for another tickle shoot. For this example, lets say it was not as well paid as the original shoot but that was okay with the model because she was there temporily and took what she could find. This wouldnt be a return gig, she was there once. This second producer subsequently releases the models videos, which are virtually the same thing as producer 1, except priced for only $5 - $10

3b - Now there is two producers with the same model and nearly identical videos, except producer 2's videos are significantly less in price.

I don't think this is as much of an issue as it appears to be, given that nearly every producer is vending via Clips4Sale and C4S won't let you undercut their rough rates of approximately $1.00/minute. You're not going to be able to drastically slash the prices enough for it to make a difference.

 

[C.A.B.]

VERY true. I also have to quote James Darke's input: "There are two case scenarios where I find the use of exclusive agreements selfish and not in the interest of the model; 1. A producer is engaged in working with a model. Another producer decides that she is so great that he not only wants to shoot her (which would of course be fine), but he wants to put her under exclusive contract so that the producer now shooting her (and all other producers) can't shoot her any more. Now, that's BS that I will always work to spank and shut down. To protect against this abusive use of exclusive contracting, we are working on a protective measure to shield from such carnivorous loss.

2. A model has shot with a producer, then shoots with another producer. The first producer either offers her an exclusive contract to shoot with only him or black-lists her to stop shooting her.

While we are all engaged in business, understanding that (1) both models and producers are engaged in business (and not just the producers) and that (2) producers don't own models - is essential as a basis for conducting fair and reasonable business.

I've personally had experiences with producers trying to block models (at the very moment that the model walking into my house) from shooting with me. Mind you, models they had never once shot. Now, you know there's no paint you can put on THAT BS to make it not stink.

As for asking permission to shoot models, there is no reason any producer should or would do that, unless we have a reason to know that the model is under exclusive contract. I will never contact a producer and ask 'can I please have your blessing to shoot that hottie you shot', unless I have been notified that she is under an exclusive agreement with you. If you let me know that she is under an exclusive contract, and I want to shoot her, I will seek you permission and assistance."

These are things that spawned my original posting, if that was not already made clear. Point #2, and the whole "permission" thing especially.

Never said all EAs are bad, and more than anything, I've said that I'm on the side of the models. Without them and the fans, we have no business to protect.

As for who's crying, well ... when I receive a phone call from a model who tells me that another producer, with whom she's shot has fired her, blacklisted her or canceled a shoot with her, just because she shot with me, who's the butt-hurt party, then? Especially, when the producer who's "punishing" her had no EA with her. It's happened more than once. That is truly the picture of one who cannot cope with the laws of the concrete jungle.

Oh well. I'm sure this will be debated further and no one's mind will change about any of it. Knew that even before I wrote it. That was not my purpose for "pulling back the curtain" and shining a light on things. The individuals who have replied were, primarily, the ones I expected and their expressed viewpoints have also fallen in line with my expectations. My intent was to both share and gather information and insight on the matter. This thread has accomplished everything I intended and more. Thank you all. You've been very helpful.

Taken to the extreme, behavior wise, so-called "exclusivity" begins to look less like business acumen, and more like garden-variety 'pimping'.

 

[primetime]

Here's what I don't get. We are reading about producers and exclusive contracts. I dabbled in a few shoots and worked with several models and my understanding that it was the models who were the independent contractors and could work with whoever they see fit. Here in Southern California, the models I have worked with and interacted with want and have control of their own images and not under any exclusive contracts.

How can a producer in the tickle fetish industry even possibly blacklist a model? Blacklist her from what? In order to blacklist a model, said producer would have to know ALL the other producers out there as though they are part of a union in order to prevent the model from working for others. Are the producers working together? Can't be because competition would go away.

If I am a model, I hold my own rights to my image and who I work for. Just because one producer tries to "hold onto you" and threatens to blacklist you, a model can simply laugh and say "um, I think a lot of producers would work with me." Direct porn producers may have some kind of pull, but tickle video producers? How much weight do they really have to "blacklist" a model? Think about it, if a producer says "I want you to be part of an exclusive contract", the model should recognize that this producer knows he has something hot in her and just wants her to work with him. The model in turn can then demand a much much higher compensation in return. She controls the terms, not the producer. I can only really see newer models falling under this "exclusive contract" thing. Experienced models are not naive to sign an exclusive contract because they realize that it is them that the fans are looking to see.

I can understand exclusive contracts, but in the tickling industry, seriously, how much weight does a producer have over a model's image and her choice of work?

 

[mabus]

Here's what I don't get. We are reading about producers and exclusive contracts. I dabbled in a few shoots and worked with several models and my understanding that it was the models who were the independent contractors and could work with whoever they see fit. Here in Southern California, the models I have worked with and interacted with want and have control of their own images and not under any exclusive contracts.

How can a producer in the tickle fetish industry even possibly blacklist a model? Blacklist her from what? In order to blacklist a model, said producer would have to know ALL the other producers out there as though they are part of a union in order to prevent the model from working for others. Are the producers working together? Can't be because competition would go away.

If I am a model, I hold my own rights to my image and who I work for. Just because one producer tries to "hold onto you" and threatens to blacklist you, a model can simply laugh and say "um, I think a lot of producers would work with me." Direct porn producers may have some kind of pull, but tickle video producers? How much weight do they really have to "blacklist" a model? Think about it, if a producer says "I want you to be part of an exclusive contract", the model should recognize that this producer knows he has something hot in her and just wants her to work with him. The model in turn can then demand a much much higher compensation in return. She controls the terms, not the producer. I can only really see newer models falling under this "exclusive contract" thing. Experienced models are not naive to sign an exclusive contract because they realize that it is them that the fans are looking to see.

I can understand exclusive contracts, but in the tickling industry, seriously, how much weight does a producer have over a model's image and her choice of work?

I've been thinking almost every thing you're written!

I think a lot of these producers who weren't mentioned must have some serious narcissism/raging ego problems.

The guys who all commented are the top producers! Honestly, there aren't that many "big" tickle producers putting clips out,
and the ones who don't visit this site like Tickling Paradise are kind of null and void - they're not here to read anything written.

The guys who bump their clips every day, ones made like months to years ago, I don't even know if they're the issue, since they've created nothing new...

So if the smaller guys who don't consistently produce any new media are having ego problems and demanding "exclusive contracts"......that's almost
laughable. Do they think this will get them to the top of the heap?! The guys who stay on top are folks like UK Tickling (all the way in England, so he's probably not involved in this especially since all his girls can be found on Only Tease anyway...), the Czech sites, again, not even close to America to be a factor, Shy and Wild Tickling, FTKL, Tickle Abuse.....guys putting clips out almost every day,
and certainly ever week. (Tickle Central does, but again, they don't visit here, so any rants won't be read by them....)

I think a lot of producers, if they were around long enough, want to be the next Real Tickling - at the time, the absolute top of the game.
But back then, there were only a small handful of companies, along with FM Concepts, who again, doesn't even visit here, and some of their models shot with TIB, so there's that.

It's a numbers game.

He's always be remembered because he was the big man on the block, and everyone else was small time and didn't put out that much stuff.
he also had awesome models, who only shot with him.....if he had exclusive contracts, that's for other people smarter than me to know.
I'm sure many producers shooting today would love to get a hold of those girls, which would guarantee easy sales since they're all "famous"
in the tickling world.

But now there are many producers on the block, and we'll never go back to those days, unless most of the companies shut down, AND their old clips
vanish from online. Back then, you had Real Tickling clips, Magic Touch, Ana's video, a few others.

Now, you have maybe twenty or thirty more companies, with varying levels of quality and output.
It's hard to impossible to be the new "big man on the block" with that much competition.
Even if someone did movie level work and editing (no one is, FTKL comes close) you'd still have Tickle Abuse, UK Tickling, all four Czech sites,
and James Darke, even places like Tickle Torture, to compete with, all put out great, high quality clips.

Some of this sounds like the little guys having dreams of greatness and being asses to get it. It'd be like someone shooting a movie with a little
indie production company, and the director demanding that they only work for them from now on. The actor would be like..."...yeah, that's nice, whatever. Paramount and 20th Century Fox
and their millions are calling, got to go..."

 

[Aboundtime]

Some of this sounds like the little guys having dreams of greatness and being asses to get it. It'd be like someone shooting a movie with a little indie production company, and the director demanding that they only work for them from now on"

Do you know how much of an ass you sound like right now? Where do you think these big companies even start? From the bottom. Did you even read any of the previous post? Most of the bigger companies were the ones complaining about the E.A. Smaller companies do not even have the finances or the experience to even negotiate such terms.

You're saying that you want to revert back to the old days when there was pretty much TC and Tickle Paradise. But how much variety did we get? Not that many. We should be grateful that there is such variety and creativity out there. Instead your complaining that there is too much. Sounds like a first world problem don't you think?

 

[turtleboy]

Mabus is right in that this doesn't really affect me, or any of the non US-based producers to a great extent as we are fortunate to be operating in smaller local markets. I can see both sides of this one, but for me it's particularly important to seek out and work with original models and so if I was living in the states I probably wouldn't even be making clips (at least not to the extent I do now) as there are so many stores out there. It is great for customers that there's so much choice and variety, but at the same time, it's much harder to stand out.

I don't necessarily agree with exclusivity contracts in this niche area (since it is relatively small compared to the wider adult/fetish industry), although if a model and producer choose to do this then I'd say it's entirely their mutual decision. I don't think that actual contracts are really the subject of ftkl's post however - it is more a case of producers choosing not to work with models who shoot for other tickle sites. In that case, I'll put my hands up and say I would do the same thing. Not to be a dick, or to upset anyone but because I pride myself on finding original models and introducing them to the world of tickling. For me, the models and their looks are my selling point - others have their own USPs: storyline clips, dungeon scenarios, the most intense tickling, models broken etc...I don't really do any of that. My aim is to find gorgeous unique British models (mostly fashion/glamour rather than fetish models) and produce clips in my own style.

If those models already appeared on a dozen or so tickle sites, then half of their appeal has already gone for me. They are no longer original and so of less value to me and my business. It is not about them 'belonging' to me or to other producers. I'm actually happier to shoot models that appear on general fetish sites, other websites (particularly larger sites such as onlytease), on TV babeshows or are published in papers or magazines. All of this adds to their value, since they pick up fans that may want to see them tied and tickled. If th already been done however, it has less of a pull. Even my most popular models sell less clips with each new shoot as people have seen so much of them - if they then turned up on a bunch of other tickle sites, well it just wouldn't be worth it for me.

One other point to bear in mind is that models can potentially be made to look less appealing if they appear in bad clips. Bad lighting, no attention to camera angles, makeup etc can make a model look terrible. This may not be important to all producers or all customers, but it matters to me and so has an impact on the image of that model. Another problem is where a model shoots for a site and they do a bad job of tickling her, miss out the key spots and produce a weak clip. You find people on this forum claiming that this or that model fakes their reactions as they've seen them on such-and-such a site hardly laughing at all. The same effect when certain producers will tell a model to ramp up their reactions for example, which then doesn't work out when you come to shoot them and get a more toned-down natural reaction. I'm not pointing fingers at any individual producers, but I'm aware it can happen.

I don't condone aggressive or bullying tactics. If a model feels she's got a better deal by working with a variety of other producers then it's entirely up to her, but in that situation I personally wouldn't be re-booking her - not when there are so many other original models yet to be found. The scenarios JD described of people persuading models not to work with him (even where they haven't shot with them themselves), are just crazy. I'm surprised people would stoop to that, and it seems like an unneccessarily aggressive approach that doesn't benefit anyone. Ultimately it's down to the models though. I sometimes experience problems with exclusivity contracts through model agencies and bigger websites, who decide they don't want models appearing in this type of thing. It's frustrating, but it's the model's loss if they opt to go with that, and another's gain!

 

[NY ler]

What do fans want? Do fans want to see the same model tickled by the same producer over and over (meaning the same lightning, ler, angles, devices) or would they like to see them venture and get tickled by others, at other locations? I realize that this is over simplifying, but don't dismiss this angle of thinking.

 

[ISUmark]

What do fans want? Do fans want to see the same model tickled by the same producer over and over (meaning the same lightning, ler, angles, devices) or would they like to see them venture and get tickled by others, at other locations? I realize that this is over simplifying, but don't dismiss this angle of thinking.

As a fan, I like this comment. I read this entire thread so far because the inner workings of the industy intrigues me. When I see the same model jumping from company to company I dont view it as a bad thing at all. This is because of something JDarke said earlier. The tickler+ticklee are what make the product, not just the model. There are some stores that I go to simply because the tickler is an awesome tickler(Darke, Sergio, Tickle Abuse) come to mind. Ill usualy hit those ones up first to see who they are workin with, because I know as long as the model is ticklish its going to be gold. But to me thats primary. Secondary is the model, unless its a famous model who I happen to enjoy such as Cali Logan, Danica, Catherine Foxx, Christina Carter, or someone like that. Needless to say, the variety of tickler+ticklee in this industry is what makes our community so great. DIfferent people can elicit different reactions from models. There have been a few times where Ive been watching a clip, and it was good mind you, but in the back of my head im thinkin "man I wish Darke could get a hold of her." If everyone had exclusive contracts with models I feel that the industry would become stale and repetitive. There are only so many different techniques/angles/models that producers can use. Its the variety of "whos doing what" that make things so great.

 

[jmsdarke]

If I was producing videos right now, I would definitely be looking for exclusive deals with models. How is a producer supposed to set themselves apart if every girl is just turning up in every producers videos.

With creativity. We do it all the time.

JD

 

[jmsdarke]

.... It kinda deteriorates fantasy aspect when the main characters are models that have been featured in 10 dozen other producers videos every other day. Having a set of ( at least semi exclusive ) models that work with regularly, and are not readily found passed around would fit way better in a custom fantasy series IMO.

Think for a moment about a character in a TV series that shows up in another series or a movie. It happens all the time and we accept it because we know that we're simply watching entertainment.

If however, in real life, when you went to the doctor, you found out that the doctor was also the guy you've worked with as your co-worker, well that would be disconcerting.

So this issue (models showing up in many different stores) is not really an issue.

JD

 

[Tickle Abuse]

The bottom line is that one producer has no business telling another how to run his or hers business. How many producers have owned another business previous to starting a tickling video production biz? Im starting to think not many, though I have heard some have, but in this business you learn to believe nothing you hear. In my previous buiness, I would never dream to share my workforce and resources with a competitor UNLESS it mutually benefitted us both, which trust me is a rare situation. Even if we both benefitted, you run the risk of exchanging information about how you do things that neither of you want the other to know.

In this business, it doesnt make sense to have exclusive agreements with models who travel a lot, unless you can give them a substantial amount of work whenever they are in town. Invariably you will have days where you will not have enough models who are exclusive to you or find enough new models breaking into the business to make a decent shoot and thus look for fetish models in your area. Say you really like one who hasnt tried tickling before. You pay her very well the first shoot, book her for a second and third shoot. You ask her to remain exclusive to you at least until you finish your agreed upon three shoots. In between the 2nd and third shoot which are two weeks apart, she works for someone else. This is a problem for me, and though the other producer has no reason to give a shit about my bottom line and most likely has no knowledge of said agreement, it does affect the model's value to my business. Of course I should be concerned and need to find a way to resolve the issue. I can 1. ask the model to decide what she wants to do, continue to work with me exclusively for as long as it mutually benefits us both or 2. part ways hopefully on good terms or renegotiate our agreement.

I would also like to reiterate that models, like producers, like anyone else in the world tend to tell you the side of the story that protects themselves. So just because you hear something, you should probably go to the source and see what's up.

And again, I never feel compelled to share models and certainly dont feel guilty. I go to great lengths to find exclusive models. The average tickling fetish model has a shelf life of how long? It can be as little as months, which is mostly the case. Every producer uses said model, there are dozens of videos featuring the newbie, then nobody has interest in her again. The profitability of her videos goes way down. Of course there are models who endure, such as Carissa Montgomery, my fave, but I have found that without a doubt a known fetish model will not nearly be as well received by my c4s customers and website members as a newbie. However, models exclusive to me have been selling for years, Amber, Young Nikki, Tasha, Brooke, Desire are going on 5 years or more in the business with me.

Furthermore, look at the top stores on c4s, now c4s is not the definitive list on top producers as most of my business is done on my website. However, if you use c4s as a guide, I have been at the top for years. Many of the stores in the top 5 have exclusive models as well. Two of the top stores are in the NYC area, myself and TI who seems to have a similar view on finding exclusive models and without a doubt its in our best interest to keep our models away from the other. Nothing personal, just business.

I am sure there are situations where my business practice does not make sense, say where a model is going to be doing something very much different from what I do thus appealing to a customer base that I would not ordinarily reach. Without a doubt as well it would make for some interesting content if say for example rivals share models for a shoot here and there. Again however, if a model is looking for long term work and doesn't need tickling to be his/her sole source of income but something she can do once or twice each month, exclusivity is the best option as I have had much success over the years doing this and have many happy models on my roster. Short term exclusivity works too if a model is new to tickling, she can make a lot of money here without the expense of travelling.

 

[jmsdarke]

Its the producers right to not shoot with a model again, or ever, if she/he has shot with their competitors and the producer feels it has / will hurt their sales (or otherwise). Who is the model to go crying to you about being blacklisted by them, and for you to take up some cause about it - why do you even care if a producer "blacklists" a model from working together with them again? I have to assume that not all producers ( though I think a minute % ) are only interested in touching women's feet - I would take it some actually care about being able to make sales and a decent profit, and would see it as a bad investment to shoot with models that are shooting the exact same content with other producers.

Seems to me this is a two way street - one, the producer wanting to own the model for that particular genre ( at least for a limited time), and two - the model wanting a harem of producers to capitalize on regardless of her earning potential for said producer, and being butthurt when one declines. " WAHH!!?? , YOU DONT WANT TO PAY ME TO TICKLE MY FEET JUST TO TICKLE THEM!?!! GASSSSP! "

It may be that you're trying to understand and contribute. But it is difficult to imagine that you know what we're talking about here.

Your whole reference to "butthurt" seems to put you just a mile past left field.

Amazingly, producers like FTKL and me have a ridiculous list of models to access. On just my personal fetish model form, I have more than 270 models signed up hoping to shoot.

In this thread, we are simply trying to make sure that we work to preserve the model's access to paying work and that our access to them (particularly the ones we already shoot) is maintained.

For us to share access to models is no prob. Never has been a problem.

I'm flying in a model today (as I have many times [Niki Lee Young, Sahrye, Jordana ...]). The first thing I do is notify producers who may want to shoot her to let them know she's coming in.


And to Tommy's credit, he's honest when he says that if a producer asks him, he will try to accommodate. I know this personally because a few years ago, when he was planning a trip to FL with Tasha, I asked to shoot her and he was good with it. The trip fell apart for unrelated reasons, but he's straight up when he says that.

So I guess I just don't see anyone as "butthurt". I see this is an industry question being discussed by both fans (who imagine) and producers (who deal with it).

JD

 

[jhop220]

Very interesting discussion and a peek into the business side of all of this.

I would side with models being independent contractors. Now if they sign a LEGALLY binding contract, then all bets are off. If that happens then the producer will have exclusive rights to the model.

I've enjoyed reading many different views here...Darke has a very good view on all of this and seems to be relatively easy to work with. It is like "I scratch your back; you scratch mine" type of deal when working with other producers.

Exclusive contracts should be beneficial to both model and producer, but as primetime said....how often is that the case in this niche market? We are a small market relative to the porn industry.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

It may be that you're trying to understand and contribute. But it is difficult to imagine that you know what we're talking about here.

Your whole reference to "butthurt" seems to put you just a mile past left field.

Amazingly, producers like FTKL and me have a ridiculous list of models to access. On just my personal fetish model form, I have more than 270 models signed up hoping to shoot.

In this thread, we are simply trying to make sure that we work to preserve the model's access to paying work and that our access to them (particularly the ones we already shoot) is maintained.

For us to share access to models is no prob. Never has been a problem.

I'm flying in a model today (as I have many times [Niki Lee Young, Sahrye, Jordana ...]). The first thing I do is notify producers who may want to shoot her to let them know she's coming in.
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And to Tommy's credit, he's honest when he says that if a producer asks him, he will try to accommodate. I know this personally because a few years ago, when he was planning a trip to FL with Tasha, I asked to shoot her and he was good with it. The trip fell apart for unrelated reasons, but he's straight up when he says that.

So I guess I just don't see anyone as "butthurt". I see this is an industry question being discussed by both fans (who imagine) and producers (who deal with it).

JD

Still trying to get to Florida, would love to visit and bring Tasha along. I just cant bring myself to be away from my daughter for too long, but I am seriously working on getting there at least for a long weekend this summer. Working on my tan now, lol, dont want to look like a ghost when i get there!

 

[jmsdarke]

Still trying to get to Florida, would love to visit and bring Tasha along. I just cant bring myself to be away from my daughter for too long, but I am seriously working on getting there at least for a long weekend this summer. Working on my tan now, lol, dont want to look like a ghost when i get there!

Just hanging without even shooting would be fantastic. Driving Ms. Tasha nutz, would be the icing on top.

As you know Tommy, to me, the fact that you put being a good father ahead of so much else, most clearly defines your value than all the other fetish or commercial stuff.

Peace,

JD

 

[mabus]

Do you know how much of an ass you sound like right now? Where do you think these big companies even start? From the bottom. Did you even read any of the previous post? Most of the bigger companies were the ones complaining about the E.A. Smaller companies do not even have the finances or the experience to even negotiate such terms.

You're saying that you want to revert back to the old days when there was pretty much TC and Tickle Paradise. But how much variety did we get? Not that many. We should be grateful that there is such variety and creativity out there. Instead your complaining that there is too much. Sounds like a first world problem don't you think?

Damn, you're reading a lot of stuff into that that's not there.

Fine, attack away....

I've noticed something in life, sometimes, (not all the time to head off the trolls) sometimes, people at the bottom have massively inflated egos, and on the other side, people at the top can be generous
and humble, even though they're at the top.

I've see in it real life time and time again. I've seen people with Youtube channels talking about themselves who think they're the next David Letterman, and will go crazy ballistic on people
who they think will jeopardize their "upcoming fame." Then I know some who have made it, yet are kind and humble and share their knowledge, often times for free with others.
From nerds at conventions who think they're more important than like, Stan Lee, to movie extras who talk like they have more connection than Tom Cruise.

I'll say it again - this whole "model exclusivity" seems like small time guys who think way too much of themselves to stand back and say "Hey, I have a small company. Let me not alienate
other producers and customers and maybe that good karma will come back to me." The top guys today were all humble starting off, and I'm glad they have risen up to where they are now.

That's why I'm such a fan of big time guys like James Darke. He has spent many many hours posting instructive threads into video, audio, etc. to help other guys start companies themselves,
knowing they would be his competition.

Yet, there he stands, still making videos, being nice to customers, even those that will outright insult him, he kindly responds back to them, which other people see as a
real class act and keep buying his clips. And I frequently see his store near the top of the clips4sale list of top stores.
Good job James! (And Tommy, and Turtleboy, while I'm at it!)

 

[Darth Sidious]

Interesting....some of the statements I've read here I know are false with regard to courtesy's offered, at least in my case, but I'll be the bigger person here. I know if I had worked with someone who I knew was traveling and needed work I'd gladly refer them to someone as long as it didn't create a conflict of interest. There's a few I have the upmost respect for, such as Nylon T and UK as they have always been class acts towards me in every aspect.

To be blunt, I certainly don't wish to disrespect another and if someone gets upset because you won't shoot them for whatever reason you deem appropriate, hey, tough shit. You have to do what makes sense for you and your operation, period.

Not much else for me to say as I have to side with Tommy on some of this. He's pretty much said it all and he and I both are in NYC and big names, so not much else for me to add here.

 

[Tickled Guy]

I just found this thread by accident and was a bit intrigued so I read most of the posts. A few of the posters who vehemently state they would help girls find work actually blacklist girls who work with me first..... I guess it's because I'm not a purist because according to google and my girls I'm damn sure reputable. Lucky for me in most cases the only one they are hurting are themselves by passing on very hot top selling models. To avoid most of this petty bullshit and the whole fetish model drama mill I've started working more with agencies that bring me the fresh faces and several other producers are following my lead.

I have to agree with Tommy in the sense of it is a business and we run it the way it benefits us best, or how we believe it does anyway. Tommy and I have had several conversations in the past and he has a great business model. I've also had dealings with Florida producers that are extremely open like JD and FTKL as well as other close minded individuals that get Butthurt when a newcomer passes them by. I wish more could be like Tommy, FTKL, JD and Aboundtime which could better expand/unite the community more. Thats why I asked for collaboration on this project: http://www.ticklingforum.com/showth...-Competition-At-Fetishcon-The-Choice-Is-Yours and a few other things in the works.

That being said I'm going to touch on the topic of exclusivity too. I have had a few models in the past that worked solely for me due to travel, comfort and other personal reasons which was great for me sales wise. A few girls that worked with me regularly even chose exclusivity and when it does happen, like Tommy said, it's a handshake agreement. When/if the model decides she wants to work elsewhere I don't care either as long as they approach it from a business stand point rather than trying to please a new BF, because they fought with another popular/regular model, my fingernail broke etc. Petty made up reasons have no place in business dealings anymore than taking time off for your grandmothers funeral 4 times in 2 months works for school.

That being said because my focus isn't limited to fetish/tickling I feel have a better understanding of exclusivity in the industry than most. Yes we are producers working with models but look at it like this: Models are the feature fans are after, most of them don't want to see us..... well some of us lol. If you have a model with special talents/skills/features like a squirter that gets off on tickling ppl and wants to grow her brand/career then you'd be an idiot not to offer the deal. Same could be said if a model in the downturn of her career wants to reinvent herself and asks for your help are you going to turn them down? I don't know about you but I wouldn't if theres potential for increased revenues. In the porn industry in general exclusive agencies and production companies are what got Jenna Presley, Johanna Angel and Nina Hartley their fame so if thats what a model wants and it's mutually beneficial I'm going to try and help them get there.

 

[Darkknight]

To quote Spock... "Fascinating". Behind the camera stuff has alway interested me in any form.

A lot of valid and straight points. I think those that have never made tickling clips should have nothing to say in regards to contracts
or hiring of the models. Especially when they are striking at actual tickle companies vs their imaginary scenarios. I'm just a fan and customer.

Yes, seeing a new face is exciting, wondering how she will react to tickling and her charisma and the interaction with the tickle producer's style. There
have been times when a vet model has been over saturated but that happens, IMHO, when it's exactly the same scene and usually with the same producer. I have become a big fan of some vet models, that I have seen tickled a million times over, when they are at a different tickle studio. To see them in different lighting, scenarios, outfits, devices, etc. It actually rejuvenates the models and the tickling interest in my book.

I don't know how all you tickle producers do it, I only can say as I always have, thank you for your efforts. I remember when there were only 2-3 actual tickle companies to buy from. Its tough in any fetish genre to come up with new material, I don't know how you guys do it but you're my heroes (small and big producers).

DK

 

[Comfort Eagle]

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Fucking rawr

 

[TickleCuties]

When I first started producing, I got butthurt if my local models shot with other producers, because I was trying to put myself on the map, per se, and couldn't compete with the bigger, more established producers. I realized quickly, however, that it wasn't either in my best interest or the best interest of the models trying to maintain any kind of exclusivity deals of any kind. Now I don't really give a shit at all - I shoot who I want, when I want, and don't really pay attention to who other producers shoot. Less stressful, less drama overall. If a model and producer can work out an exclusivity deal that's mutually beneficial, more power to 'em. Don't really care either way. I just shoot with who I want, and with models who have a good time working with me...simple as that.

 

[Darkknight]

When I first started producing, I got butthurt if my local models shot with other producers, because I was trying to put myself on the map, per se, and couldn't compete with the bigger, more established producers. I realized quickly, however, that it wasn't either in my best interest or the best interest of the models trying to maintain any kind of exclusivity deals of any kind. Now I don't really give a shit at all - I shoot who I want, when I want, and don't really pay attention to who other producers shoot. Less stressful, less drama overall. If a model and producer can work out an exclusivity deal that's mutually beneficial, more power to 'em. Don't really care either way. I just shoot with who I want, and with models who have a good time working with me...simple as that.

Awesome! 🙂

DK

 

[tklr22]

I've been a part of the TMF for 12 years and this is the single most fascinating thread I've ever viewed here. I almost feel like I don't even deserve to be commenting on it, because this thread feels akin to being present for a Mob Boss meeting or something. I mean, pretty much anyone who is anyone in the Tickling Fetish industry has had some input on this topic...it's both amazing and even a little intimidating.

I don't begrudge any producer for the own business practices. If they are successful, who are any of us to do so?? That being said, and all well-thought opinions considered, as strictly a fan/BUYER I personally enjoy seeing models jump between producers. The style of a producer alone can be (and in my opinion, should be) enough of a creative difference to make clips enjoyable, even if you're watching the same model in a FTKL clip, a Tickle Torture clip and a Tickle Central clip, just for example. Just think of how mind-blowing it would be if us fans were afforded the opportunity to see an epic comic-book style crossover featuring some of the most famous models in the business (I'll refrain from using names so it doesn't appear I'm putting any producer on blast). But use your imagination.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

I've been a part of the TMF for 12 years and this is the single most fascinating thread I've ever viewed here. I almost feel like I don't even deserve to be commenting on it, because this thread feels akin to being present for a Mob Boss meeting or something. I mean, pretty much anyone who is anyone in the Tickling Fetish industry has had some input on this topic...it's both amazing and even a little intimidating.

I don't begrudge any producer for the own business practices. If they are successful, who are any of us to do so?? That being said, and all well-thought opinions considered, as strictly a fan/BUYER I personally enjoy seeing models jump between producers. The style of a producer alone can be (and in my opinion, should be) enough of a creative difference to make clips enjoyable, even if you're watching the same model in a FTKL clip, a Tickle Torture clip and a Tickle Central clip, just for example. Just think of how mind-blowing it would be if us fans were afforded the opportunity to see an epic comic-book style crossover featuring some of the most famous models in the business (I'll refrain from using names so it doesn't appear I'm putting any producer on blast). But use your imagination.

You definitely deserve to make a comment, a wise producer will always take into consideration what customers want.

 

[ISUmark]

You definitely deserve to make a comment, a wise producer will always take into consideration what customers want.

This is why you are the top producer in the market. Id honestly say, as a consumer, that there are probably about 10 companies out right now that I consider top tier, and every one of them listens to the fans/buyers. You see those other producers that simply do what they want, and do the same things they have been doing for 13-14 years...and they really arent on the radar anymore. Theres a few mainstream companies that come to mind, but im not here to put anyone on blast. Said companies dont even visit these forums, post previews, or interact with fans. Its probably not that hard to guess but yea...those definitely take a backseat to the wonderful content being put out by todays interactive and friendly producers.