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Fetishes, and their development within the greater sexual psychology.

Myriads

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I do a lot of freelance writing, and it varies a lot. Recently an author who was working on a novel needed to have some background research done for characters/situations that he was planning to write about, and wanted a thumbnail on how fetishes develop and express in people, that was not in psych-journal speak, and could be easily read and digested. He didn't want ownership of the work, so left copyright with me. So I'm free to share it of I chose. And I do. It's a question that I see here a lot and I figure that it might have some value to folks. Or at least be interesting. I'll also post it to my blog, so it will be about. Let's get to it!

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Current theory on how individuals come to possess fetishes is an interesting and complicated aspect of modern psychology. A lot of progress has been made in understanding how it all works in recent years, and some clear things can be said about the process.

Before we start though, I'll need to provide some background in current genetic expression theory, and the sexual development cycle for humans to provide a solid foundation for understanding the specifics of specific sexual deviances so we need to cover a few things before we get to fetishes in specific.

It has long been thought that our genetic makeup defines us very specifically. And in many ways this is true. But in recent years a new outlook has opened on the topic which is important when we want to look into psychological aspects of human development such as sexuality.

The new thinking is that our genetics are more like defined variables, rather then specific constants.

Example, genetically ones height is defined by a set of codes, but the codes don't say "John will be 6'2" tall" They instead say "John can have a maximum height of 6'2"" then once conceived, John's final height will be defined by environmental conditions. He might make it to that maximum, he may not. Other genetic aspects have a similar shift-potential. So there is a 'rough' plan set down, but the fine work will be decided upon 'on the fly' based on the world that they find themselves in. This is a good adaptation. It makes us much more flexible to an environment that can vary greatly.

This issue is important when we look at psychological development, because it's also theorized that some very broad characteristics of our personalities are also defined by genetic ranges; sexual orientation, and placement on the Dominant/submissive spectrum to name two. What does this mean? It means that our hypothetical individual may be born with the potential to be a dominate or submissive personality type as part of their basic nature, some will be weighted one way or the other, but some will have the potential for both, and their path will be defined by environmental elements.

Because of this fact, our psychologies are very fluid things, that will form up on a very generalized base that guides development, but does not define it. And it opens the individual up to being defined by the environment, which is in fact a very strong survival trait, and evolutionarily sensible.

Which brings us to general sexual psychological development.

Our sexual psychologies are basically the set of rules we have adapted that decide what turns us on, what rules we see as significant in sexual process decisions, and the core drivers that motivate our sexual behavior. It's always been a big question on how we end up who we are, and how much is a result of our genetics, and how much is environmental, and why humans pick up such a huge variable range of behaviors for their sexual psychologies.

For the majority of the animal kingdom sex is hardwired into the animals brain. There is a mating urge to engage in sex, signals and processes that trigger it, and wham-bam it happens. It's primal and basic. Part of keeping the species going.

Humans have this, and it plays a roll in our sexuality. No question. But human's got something else in the evolutionary lottery that is unique. Our brains, capable of self awareness, and possessing the ability to look into the future with consideration that can be very long term. Those brains real make a mess out of the animal side of our behavior that is hard coded. Being self aware we ascribe 'reasons' to our behaviors, or try to justify behavior by inventing reasons, we don't always understand what we are thinking and feeling, and make up stuff to fill in the gaps. That wonderful brain that allows us to do so much, was a late addition to our biological makeup, and it shows. The systems don't quite synch up right. And the whole system has to have a way to program itself that works in the cultures the individual exists in.

So our process for building our sexualities is a wonderful mess of biological basic hardcode, and messy self-aware learning processes that mix to produce the final result.

How does this work?

Well the biological side of us has one goal. To make us want to make more of us. It has a whole process to 'teach' us how to do this.
The psychological side of things is designed to 'learn' things in specific ways, and is set up to get a lesson plan from our environment that will inform our sexuality, and its development.
And all this is enacted on top of the basic genetic ranges for our behaviors that we got on the dice rolls when mom and dads genes mixed.

So let's pick up with our hypothetical human, John again. And looks at what is supposed to happen with his sexual development, and how that process can jump the rails.

Goal #1 for the systems that are building John's sexuality is to teach him what arouses him. Because he has that big brain, he needs motivation to want to fuck someone, rather then just blindly hopping on anything that signals it's fertile and ready to be mounted. So his body and brain conspire to build a list of things that get him all worked up.

How? Pretty easily. Psychological sexual maturation processes tend to start around age six or seven, then build up stronger thru puberty, but are mostly finished by age 13 or so. This phase is a time when on matters sexual, the brain is searching for information and cues from the environment.

The body for it's part, starts a bit earlier. It starts to randomly produce the chemicals that make us horny starting as early as age 2. At random intervals the systems that make the stuff that makes us hot switch on and off as if they are running little tests to see if they are working. Very young children often learn that if I do 'x' to part 'y' it feels GREAT. This behavior is prompted by these random chemical blasts, and is part of the bodies system checks to make sure all is working, and at least before the mind is ready to start it's sexual development, thats all they are, tests. But come age 6 or 7 when the mind gets in gear and starts to want to build it's 'it turns me on' hit list, these hormonal blasts start to perform a different function.

Now it makes sense that the brain waits until age 6 or 7 to start building a sexual profile. Given the wide variance in cultural norms, and such, waiting to this point to build on the small handful of hard-coded traits (The curve of the female ass is considered pretty universally a male arousal cue across cultures and times) lets our young John 'learn' the rules of his exact culture. He'll be exposed to those rules and cues as part of his normal development, and hopefully learn them.

But what makes him learn them? Ideally those hormone surges. When one happens, it's hoped that John will also be exposed to a cultural arousal cue at the same time, and a connection will be forged between the chemically induced horny, and the element being seen (for example, a woman dancing sensually, or a culturally agreed upon physical trait of beauty (long neck, large breasts etc) Given how societies tend to imbed what arouses them into their cultural media (Song, dance in rustic cultures, advertising in modern ones) odds are good John's gaze should be on something that fits the development profile that is desired. It's hypothesized that some cues and situations might stimulate the hormonal surges also based on some deep hardcoded instinctual things, but current thinking is still unclear.

Ah but that is where the wheels pop off the wagon. Little John usually IS seeing a proper cue when his hormones shoot off. But sometimes he's not. Sometimes he's experiencing some utterly random thing when those chemicals ring his chimes. Connections still get made….

And *zap* a deviation is born.

That is the kernel of a fetish.

Wait, we need to address the term fetish. It's become a devalued word used in popular writing to describe any special sexual like. In psychological terms it has a very specific meaning; it is the sexual arousal a person receives from a physical object, or from a specific situation to the point it starts to exclude other stimuli from performing that function. Arousal from a particular body part is classified as partialism (One has a foot partialism, not a foot fetish).

A more proper tern for us to use is Paraphilia. The term describes the experience of intense sexual arousal to atypical objects, situations, or individuals. But not needfully to a level that disrupts other 'normal' sexual likes.

So fetishes are when a paraphilia becomes so encompassing that it inhibits normal sexual responses to the non-fetish stimuli, and is a tern designating a psychological impairment.

Okay. grammer lesson done. Onwards.

Our John, has received the kernel of a fetish. Perhaps he was seeing his mom clean the floor with rubber gloves on. Perhaps he was being made fun of by his peers on the playground. Perhaps he was watching TV and two characters were wrestling. Click. His mind decides that Rubber/Humiliation/Wrestling is HOT. And he has the seed of something in his sexuality now that turns him on. Just like how seeing those girls jumping rope and being all bouncy did last month. An incorrect cue has gotten into his psychology.

So John grows up, and goes through the development phase. He gets connected to a lot of cues. Many appropriate, some not at all, and a few possibly just silly. Some have stronger connections then others. Those stronger ones start to step forward when John crosses the next step in his sexual development; his body gifts him with an orgasm, probably while he was asleep. Hammering the message home that there is something that his body can do that feels GREAT. Now he sets off on the quest for more, using mindful self arousal. Or to be more crude, he starts to jerk off.

Now John wants that great feeling of orgasm. That is a biological coded drive. Pleasure as a reward for action. So he seeks to do it. Eventually he learns that he can get himself hard by thinking about things. What sort of things? Well there is this huge pile of cues all stored up in his head that have connections to sexual arousal. So he thinks about those. And they work. He gets hard, he gets off. And he starts to reinforce those cues with positive feedback. Pleasure gets tied to them.

This makes John start to look at them closer. They are like little treasures. They are the keys to his arousal, and he starts to nurture them. Polish them, experiment with them. This is a phase where the individual takes over building his own sexual psychology. They start to make choices about what they like, what fits with other things they like, and EXACTLY how things need to be for it to work. It's in this phase that John decides on what his physical preferred 'type' is. He finds he likes girls shorter then him, blonds, who are of athletic builds, and so forth. He ALSO tunes the paraphilia cues. He likes feet, but ones with long toes, better if they have hose on them. He starts to go down very specific paths, and defines what gets him turned on. Thus his basic sexual psychology is built. And he's ready to go out and give it a spin with real partners.

As he does, he has successes and failures. He also encounters things he never has before. And this all continues to modify his sexuality. As an added bonus, general personality aspects like how he is inclined toward begin dominate or submissive firm up, and back-feed into his general sexuality and inform it. For example, he finds that he is submissive, so that foot paraphilia might start to include worshiping those types of feet he prefers, or being stepped on by them. Elements of the psychology start to reinforce and play off each other.

And that is how we get where we are.

This concept for sexual development covers why some forms of paraphilia are more common then others. Using our foot example, it follows that as a random element that might intersect a hormone jolt, feet are something that are very likely to possibly be about to get linked. A common arousal paraphilia for many women involves the 'shame' grouping of behaviors, being called a 'Bad girl' or being "seen as dirty and naughty" when being sexual. This stems from the prevalence that shame and humiliation is linked culturally to women's sexual desires and urges by religious and cultural aspects, and during early sexual exploration those feelings of guilt and shame get tossed into the arousal cue pile, and become drivers. Over all, paraphilia break down pretty reasonably across specific cultures based on how often cues are embedded in said cultures.

One of the main conclusions that can be drawn from this process is that paraphilia become very specific by adult maturity, having been sculpted carefully by their owners. How much problems will stem from the paraphilia will depend on how functional the individuals sexuality is in the 'normative' areas for their culture, and how aware the individual is over how their specific likes function, and drive them. The better informed the individual is, the better they will be able to merge the paraphilia into a greater functioning sexuality.

It's also key to point out that this process of paraphilia development is basically spontaneous and random. It's part of the biological process as a person matures, and it cannot be avoided, nor can the individual be somehow shielded from stimuli to prevent a paraphilia from arising. Even if kept totally isolated by caretakers, a child will undergo the development process, and some random environmental element WILL attach. It's not something that one tends to dodge. Think of a great card dealer up in the sky tossing cards with random things written on them at kids. "You get the smell of woodsmoke, you get being sat on, you get tickling, you get being tightly restrained, you get overpowered desires…". and so on.

Most adults have some form of paraphilia. For many it's nothing more then a strong preference for something (He always gets hard when taking a woman doggy style, she always gets worked up when she meets a guy with a specific vocal pattern… his voice just "gets to her") and so forth. The American preoccupation with breasts is a specific cultural paraphilia.

When looking at ones own sexuality, the first step to understanding it is working back thru what gets you hot.

Find an example that works, and then start to pick it apart. Discard the elements that don't matter, examine the ones that do. Make a list. Then start to look back at your development and try to see where each of the elements that are on your list were added to your like. Eventually you'll work back to the base paraphilia you started to build on. That core will be a high response item to you. Once you can see it, you can start to fit it into the sexuality that you want. It's only one part of a bigger whole.

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A discussion of fetish groupings, and how they overlap, interact, and build on each other in the development phases can be provided, but is a topic unto itself. (edit note, perhaps I'll write that up for another entry if the mood strikes, as the client didn't feel a need for it.

Myriads
 
I'll add that if any one wants to ask questions, request clarifications, etc, I'm more then happy to engage and do so.

Myriads
 
Interesting article. What I don't get is how some people go through life and end up with absolutely no kinks. I've met people who are basically turned on by sex in the missionary position and that's it. Then again, I have to wonder if some of them do have kinks and just aren't open about them.

I also have to wonder about the tickling thing... I know my paraphilia came from feeling traumatized and humiliated by it as a child. Yet, tons of kids get tickled regularly and don't end up with a fetish for it. Do you think there's any correlation between having negative experiences with it vs it just happening at the right time? All of the first tickling experiences I can remember involved feeling helpless, terrified, unable to breathe, humiliated and furious at the person attacking me. I also have scary experiences involving being held down/restrained and bondage ended up being a fetish for me too.

All I know is all of my major turn ons can be traced back to a time I felt helpless and upset. And helplessness is at the core of my sexuality now. Do you think these things just happened to me at the wrong moment in my development?
 
Interesting article. What I don't get is how some people go through life and end up with absolutely no kinks. I've met people who are basically turned on by sex in the missionary position and that's it. Then again, I have to wonder if some of them do have kinks and just aren't open about them.

A paraphilia need not be some huge visible thing. They can be very subtle, and close to norm sexuality. In short simple preferences. Since we here at the TMF share tickling, which has a few degrees of deviation from the 'norm' sexually, we tend to think of fetishes as something unusual, or 'out there'. But they need not be.

Also as you note, folks are not always honest about what gets them charged up.

I also have to wonder about the tickling thing... I know my paraphilia came from feeling traumatized and humiliated by it as a child. Yet, tons of kids get tickled regularly and don't end up with a fetish for it. Do you think there's any correlation between having negative experiences with it vs it just happening at the right time? All of the first tickling experiences I can remember involved feeling helpless, terrified, unable to breathe, humiliated and furious at the person attacking me. I also have scary experiences involving being held down/restrained and bondage ended up being a fetish for me too.

All I know is all of my major turn ons can be traced back to a time I felt helpless and upset. And helplessness is at the core of my sexuality now. Do you think these things just happened to me at the wrong moment in my development?

The question here is what is your core paraphilia.

Tickling, and bondage might be expressions of a greater paraphilia that unites elements of both. Helplessness.

A experience like the one you describe can be the basis of a formative sexual paraphilia seed. Such situations cause the body to have adrenal and hormonal responses which match the hormonal pulses that I discuss in the article. That allows for connectivity to happen with the sexual personality in development.

So yup, you might have gotten it via 'wrong place, right time'. It was seeded then, and developed since.

The primary question I'd ask, is as you started to explore your sexuality on your own, what were the first images you used? And how did you add to them over time?

Myriads
 
Well you're right, this wasn't drafted in a scientific journal sense.

I find this kind of Psycho-chemistry (If that's even the correct wording) fascinating... Not as fascinating as chemistry by any means, but still. To throw up another topic for discussion, this article seems to support the hypothesis that you can get rid of your fetish.

If your fetish is determined by the chemicals being released that say you're being turned on, then you can ween yourself off of a tickling fetish, because you can make connections to vanilla sex during the times you pleasure yourself.
 
So fetishes are when a paraphilia becomes so encompassing that it inhibits normal sexual responses to the non-fetish stimuli, and is a tern designating a psychological impairment.

I found this very interesting, sir. In the kid's example I undestand that something has to click in order to activate his fetish, derived froma paraphilia previosly settled. But, do this means that anything can start a fetish in a kid's mind for example? As an experiement, one could push a situation where feet or tickling is involved, and then wait and see if this innocent mind develops a fetish. Is that right?
 
Well you're right, this wasn't drafted in a scientific journal sense.

I find this kind of Psycho-chemistry (If that's even the correct wording) fascinating... Not as fascinating as chemistry by any means, but still. To throw up another topic for discussion, this article seems to support the hypothesis that you can get rid of your fetish.

If your fetish is determined by the chemicals being released that say you're being turned on, then you can ween yourself off of a tickling fetish, because you can make connections to vanilla sex during the times you pleasure yourself.

Well I wrote it in a non journal format at the clients request. He wanted conversational. He got it.

And no it does not support getting rid of a fetish. The chemical/hormonal connectivity is something that takes place during the formative phases (age 6-13ish), and supports connectivity then. Once a person passes out of that phase, their base set of arousal cues have been laid down, and not much new is going to be added beyond modifications on the stuff that is there.

In english, the ingredients have been mixed in and the cake has baked. You can't go back in and pluck one out.

Now the pleasure/reward aspects of orgasm itself can be used in adulthood as a method to train oneself into reinforcing selected cues but not to overwrite old ones. You don't 'lose a paraphilia' what you do is learn to focus on other aspects of your sexuality that bring arousal and pleasure also. These will be based on cues learned during the formative period also, but might be preferable to the paraphilia you are trying to 'shed' or one that has moved on to the unhealthy fetish level. Basically you are re-establishing balance across your sexuality.

Another alternative is to understand that many paraphilia are not as limited as one may think and hide other aspects that can be enjoyed. For example, many people into tickling, are more correctly into causing a loss of control in their subject. This opens up orgasm control, and other things as possible outlets, and a wider sexual plate to choose from.

If you have a paraphilia, it's probably going to be with you for life. That is not saying you cannot learn to function without pursuing it, or refocusing around it. But it's very rare for a person to rip one out by the roots.

Myriads
 
I found this very interesting, sir. In the kid's example I undestand that something has to click in order to activate his fetish, derived froma paraphilia previosly settled. But, do this means that anything can start a fetish in a kid's mind for example? As an experiement, one could push a situation where feet or tickling is involved, and then wait and see if this innocent mind develops a fetish. Is that right?

First up a fetish is an out of control paraphilia. It's when the paraphilia crosses the line into impairing sexual behavior by becoming mandatory for performance. How a paraphilia becomes a fetish lies in the same area of how any behavior becomes damaging in a psychology. That's a whole other topic.

As to inducing a paraphilia into a child, yes, it's doable. You'd need to provide a massive amount of cue material during the development phase, and hope for a lot of connectivity to happen. But it would border on an abusive upbringing, considering the amount of time you'd need to wallpaper the kids life with to get that connection to get made. And even then it would be iffy on how you'd get the paraphilia to form up, as the exact way the kid would connect to the stimuli might not match what you wanted (For example, you were shooting for a connectivity to a certain physical type, and surround the kid with images and videos of women who look like that 'type', you might get that connectivity, but it might be to secondary items in the images, (whoops she was wearing a raincoat in that one you had near his bed) or other random things.

Bad Ju-ju to play with.

Myriads
 
As to inducing a paraphilia into a child, yes, it's doable.

What a topic indeed! Yes, I know that shouldn't be done to anyone. I was saying this only hypothetically. 🙂 So, another situation: a kid that doesn't raise a fetish. Can this "fetish embryo" develp later for an external reason?

Let's put Johny aside; In my case, I feel I did discovered the "tickle fetish" later on my adult life; all i had before was some weird fixation to feet, not in a sexual way per se, but when I mixed tickling and feet, that's when it all started.
 
What a topic indeed! Yes, I know that shouldn't be done to anyone. I was saying this only hypothetically. 🙂 So, another situation: a kid that doesn't raise a fetish. Can this "fetish embryo" develp later for an external reason?

Hello Jazz,

First up I want to reinforce that idea that using the term fetish in your question is not the right way to go. A fetish is a paraphilia that has progressed to the point where it's doing damage to the individual by preventing other arousal vectors from working. It is a disorder. We are speaking about paraphilia formation, which basically is just saying our child is developing a variety of things which arouse them, and they fall outside the 'norm' for the cultures sexual cues.

The thinking is that your sexuality is pretty much set by the time you are moving out of puberty. The cues are all laid in, and now you are moving onto the 'practice and discovery' phase of your sexuality. So in the case you ask about, the paraphilia might get going in the kid if they are still in the 6-13ish phase where associations get made. But if they are past that, then the door is closed, and they get to work with what is there.

I think what you are wondering about lies in the area of 'discovery'. Which happens quite a bit later in life. One is happily going along in your sexual fun and you bump into something a BOOM it makes a huge and positive impression. That is not unlike stepping on a land mine. Only in this case it's a psychological one. A cue that you made way back when you were young has been there, only you were not aware of it, and suddenly in your adult hood, you stumbled into a situation that fits it, and it responded.

It's sorta like finding a $20 in your pocket you didn't know you had. The 20 was put there by a earlier version of yourself, and you forgot about it. The current you didn't 'make' it. Just found it again.

Let's put Johny aside; In my case, I feel I did discovered the "tickle fetish" later on my adult life; all i had before was some weird fixation to feet, not in a sexual way per se, but when I mixed tickling and feet, that's when it all started.

This starts to move into the area of how paraphilia can build on each other, and combine to prompt seeming new ones.

From what you say you had a foot paraphilia. This was one of your basic core paraphilia that motivated you once you started to have hands on experience with partners. That you described your attraction to feet as "some weird fixation" is spot on for how these cues work. A fuzzy connection between feet and your sexuality was made in your mind at some point in the formative period. So in your list of things that turn you on (Or even more simply, get your attention) feet were on the list.

As you started to experiment, you interacted with that foot paraphilia. And learned that there was a piece of it that involved interaction with the feet that made it work even better. In your case tickling.

Now you might not have had a tickling paraphilia, but have experienced transference of arousal from your foot paraphilia to tickling by the virtue that tickling allowed you better access to you foot paraphilia. This is a classic action -> reward feedback loop that trains a person. Tickling unlocked your ability to enjoy your true paraphilia; feet. And you've come to see the method that opened that enjoyment AS the enjoyment. And have a learned positive response to tickling now.

This is a form of secondary paraphilia formation. It's not as hard wired as the cued paraphilia. And odds are you could find a substitute that works as well as tickling to enjoy your foot paraphilia.

Think about exactly what it is about tickling feet that you "want" to see when you do it. A specific response? If so your foot paraphilia might center around seeing feet in motion of some specific sort. Perhaps you like the feeling of touching the feet, then your foot paraphilia is a tactile based one.

This is what makes sexual psychology difficult and interesting at once. A single paraphilia can have dozens of unique expressions, which can mask it, or confuse it with actions an individual uses to enjoy the paraphilia.

That you know that something was up with feet in your mind is a huge step forward in understanding where your drives arise from.

This sort of situation also shows how one core paraphilia can 'grow' a cluster of positive sexual activities around it. A poster above mentioned that 'helplessness' aroused her, and as a result, tickling, bondage, and probably a host of force oriented sex play have developed in her sexuality. That one core paraphilia has defined a big chunk of her sexuality today. In your case, it may well be that your foot paraphilia has drawn you to enjoy tickling, and perhaps other foot oriented play.

Great question, and thanks for asking it.

Myriads
 
I was very young. Probably 5 or something. So the images all came from kid's movies and things like that. It would usually be when the bad guy in a cartoon took someone captive and tied them somehow. Sometimes there would be tickling (I can't think of any specific examples as I haven't watched cartoons in years, but I remember it happening pretty often). Part of me hated these scenes because they brought about feelings of helplessness and made me uncomfortable, but I quickly noticed that warm tingly "down there" feelings would come along with this discomfort. It was very strange and bothered me so much that I would often find excuses to leave the room when I knew this type of scene was coming in a movie.

This describes a pretty typical problem that arises out of our faulty sexual psychology building process. It's all messy and out of order, pre-loading arousal cues before the body is ready for them, and the mind is able to understand them.

In short, it sounds like your traumatic experiences made a connection with your sexuality and created a cue. Basically a bad draw from the deck if you want to use the dealer in the sky analogy. That cue then hunkered down in your head and waited.

As you encountered the media you describe, the images and situations probably reminded you of the trauma causing you to revisit the feeling you had from that negative experience, which in turn pressed on that hidden arousal button that was waiting. That further reinforced the sexual aspects.

Basically the level of dissonance that your young mind was experiencing in these situations was huge. You were getting the negative memories at the same time your body was prompting feels good vibes. That you'd flee the stimuli to get relief is pretty much the rational response.

It didn't take long to learn that if I did certain things to my body amidst these uncomfortable, tingly feelings, I would orgasm. This was the beginning of many, many, MANY years of hiding this "broken" part of me and crying myself to sleep at night because of guilt. Because being held down and tickled was SUCH an awful feeling for me as a kid, I felt really bad about getting off watching it happen to others. I wish someone had told me back then that this was something some people enjoyed and that it was okay. I had a rough childhood and suffered a lot of physical and mental health problems and I think the stress of carrying this guilt and feeling like I was a sick person is a big part of it.

That dissonance though, triggered a shame response in you. "I shouldn't get off on a bad thing." is the basic concept you felt. "And because I do I'm a horrible bad person." follows. There is a lot of similarity to what you felt and what people who experience religious guilt over sex feel. They are taught that sex is 'bad' but they enjoy the feelings, so they must be bad, and thus God hates them. They then struggle with shame and guilt.

When we add in the fact that your feeling of shame and guilt were there as you were still moving thru the cue building phase of your sexuality, then odds are a lot more shame/humiliation/guilt cues got stuffed into your sexuality along the way. (Personal question, answer if you wish or not, Is part of your thrill in sex the fact that you are being 'punished'? by the tickling/whatever?) These would lead to a further deepening of the eventual sexual list of situations and activities that get you hot.

That people tend to go thru these phases of their lives in isolation with no one to talk with about it, does lead to the stress and secrets that you mention. The internet has helped with this to a great deal, but even so, many kids are not able to search for what they feel strongly about (They can be afraid that the internet will tell them they are mentally ill) or are restricted in access to the web. So lots still suffer.

In sexual development, lack of information, and open places to share and ask things is the biggest problem in helping folks grow into functioning positive adult sexualities. Not to toot our own horn, but the TMF was at its start something that we wanted to address that sort of thing, and it has.

I decided to start this thread in part because I had the work already done, and I get a lot of questions from folks that touch on the topic. I have the background to explain some stuff so why not?

Myriads
 
It's a weird thing with me, though. Helplessness is definitely the core of my paraphilia. BUT--there's a catch. It absolutely has to be with love. It's a dangerous game for me to explore the world of "force-orientated sex play" as you put it. If the captive person reacts in the wrong way (screaming, crying, seeming afraid) it will not only turn me off but trigger panic attacks in me. I find these subjects as triggering and upsetting as I find them arousing sometimes.

This is a great point to bring up. Why? Because it shows a fact that people often forget; that our sexuality is not the only game afoot in our heads. Our Morality and other psychological factors are at play too.

You have a morality that involves "Inflict no pain." where pain in your mind is defined as "Unwanted negative stimuli physical, mental, and emotional. This is a rule that comes from your greater personality. It's on the meta level, and covers all of your various psychological pieces. Your sexuality has to play by it, or you become upset and agitated, as violation of the rule has very real effects on you, as it is indeed that strong.

Because of your past and such, your mind has made it so you cannot do what you hated having done to you. Literally. If you consider it you panic attack into inability to act.

Now the fact that your arousal cues sometimes are at cross purposes with that greater moral code, leads your mind to do all sorts of interesting mental gymnastics to still let you get the orgasm prize, but not trigger the panic attack guard dogs. Your mind is at cross purposes with itself. And the negatives you feel are a result of the fallout from that psychological friction.

Not so much with tickling. Tickling has generally been a positive and fun experience since I've been an adult. It was only traumatic in childhood.

But bondage and sex, forced orgasms...all that stuff. I have to be careful. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I end up in tears feeling terrible about supporting something so dark. Not that I'd ever watch porn that claims to be non-consensual. But sometimes they pretend it is, and that messes me up bad.

All of this are examples of the gymnastics that take place in your head when you enter these arenas. You managed to back tickling away from the guard dogs via positive adult experiences, and an understanding that most people are not traumatized by the activity, thus you don't see it as 'harm' so much any more. The rest however still falls right into the harm zone, and your mind sometimes lands the flip and you are okay, other times... not so much.

I also have a huge kidnapping turn on. But as with the other stuff, it only works if the helplessness if the kidnapping victim is countered by the kindness in the heart of the kidnapper. He has to be a good man in his heart who just happened to be on a bad path, and she has to inspire him to be better. 🙂 (all that cheesy shit that will never happen in reality, basically)

The kidnapping paraphilia is a branch of the helpless core paraphilia group. It, at it's core, is a loss of control. But it has a additional vectors that play into it. In your case it involves the "reformation" paraphilia. The situational paraphilia where one turns a bad guy good via your personal qualities. With males the "White Knight" or "rescuing the damsel in distress" path is the counterpart.

Sexuality includes how we attract attention, and draw others to us. And many paraphilia seep into those areas also.

Myriads
 
Reading this thread is like homework 😉

But really, good stuff Myriads 😀

Think of it as extra credit home study. I always feel that if we understand WHY we act as we do, we can come to enjoy it better, and have more fulfilling lives.

One never HAS to do it, but like eating ones vegetables it's a good thing to do.

Myriads
 
I wish so badly I could have had someone to explain this to me as a child. It would have changed my entire life. Everything you said is right on.

I wouldn't say part of my sexuality is punishment, but that's only because I started exploring getting tickled very recently, after years of self-help work, therapy, blah blah blah. At this point, it's more a reward for all I've survived than a punishment.

But I would "punish" myself in many other ways for having this "gross and weird" sexuality. I had so much guilt and I'm sure it played a role in my mental health problems. I starved myself at times. I would fast on juices and water for weeks and weeks trying to find some sort of "purity" and make myself into a better person. I also cut myself for years.

Self-acceptance can be a difficult thing to find. I'm 31 years old and barely at the beginning of finding it. Thank you for this interesting discussion! 🙂

Ah, what I meant was when a partner has bound you, and is tickling you, or doing whatever else, do you feel that any aspect of what is happening to you has a 'punishment' vibe? In that you are getting what you deserve for liking all the 'naughty' things you do. (Even though you now get that they are not things to feel guilty or ashamed over)

Physical expressions of shame often come up in women as cutting and dietary expressions. That you hit on the 'purity' concept of using juices to try and make you 'better' is a great example of how a psychology tries to find solutions for dissonance that are not rational. I'm regretful that you had to pass through this behavior.

Self-acceptence is the tonic for most issues that arise out of paraphilia related sexual issues. The facts are pretty simple, one is not responsible for what gets one off, and that if your partner is mindfully consenting to the behavior, then it's cool. And most importantly you are not alone in what gets you going. There are untold others who drew the same card.

Myriads
 
It's sorta like finding a $20 in your pocket you didn't know you had. The 20 was put there by a earlier version of yourself, and you forgot about it. The current you didn't 'make' it. Just found it again.

😀 That's a great way to describe it. You're wellcome, thanks to you indeed for helping us to understand our mind, sure you did with mine. We all should start more discussions like this one regulary. So thanks again for the enlightening. If another question pops, I know the one to ask 🙂
 
Myriads, for you're next project maybe try figuring out why some people are ticklish and others are not.... :makingalist:
 
Not certain, but are you getting the definitions of "fetish" and "paraphilia" switched? At least according to how I've always understood it, and according to several web site references I just looked up, the definitions ought to be the other way around.
 
Not certain, but are you getting the definitions of "fetish" and "paraphilia" switched? At least according to how I've always understood it, and according to several web site references I just looked up, the definitions ought to be the other way around.

Nope. Paraphilia is a term used for sexual arousal to atypical objects, situations, or individuals. Fetish has the same basic meaning, with the exception of being reserved for use when the arousal becomes focused upon the paraphilia to the degree that it starts to inhibit normal sexual function, and an individuals ability to enjoy a normal life.

All fetishes are paraphilia. Paraphilia CAN be fetishes, but are not always so. Sometimes they are just a very strong preference.

A person with a fetish for, oh say redheads, would be unable to function sexually with a blond. They need a redhead for their sexuality to work, it's a disfunction. A person with a paraphilia would certainly want a redhead as their partner, and enjoy one as a partner more then any other hair color, but could accept and find sexual enjoyment in a non-redhead.

The term fetish has been debased in popular interaction. People have come to use it to mean anything that a person seems to have a like to that is a bit odd…. which ironically is what paraphilia sorta means.

Myriads
 
I've always heard the requirement for a fetish is for it to interfere with "normal" sex and relationships, like you said. However, I think most people use it to mean "turn on" so I tend to use it that way too. It's easier than trying to explain to everyone what it actually means.

I would think most of us here have a paraphilia, not a fetish.
 
I've always heard the requirement for a fetish is for it to interfere with "normal" sex and relationships, like you said. However, I think most people use it to mean "turn on" so I tend to use it that way too. It's easier than trying to explain to everyone what it actually means.

I would think most of us here have a paraphilia, not a fetish.

Correct.

Fetish has been debased in popular vocabulary to mean 'turn on'. I'm just trying got use the correct terms for things here, as it's an attempt to provide some sunlight for people to better understand stuff, and at the very least, I want to use the right words.

Myriads
 
Nice work, Myriads. Thoughtful, provocative, has the ring of truth.

But I have a question. What if particular paraphilias run in families? That is, what if it's more likely you're into tickling (or whatever) if somebody else in your family is into it? This is not implausible, as so many things run in families that you wouldn't think would do so. This would imply a genetic component that would be necessary for the imprinting of that paraphilia. By this hypothesis, without that genetic component, one would not develop the paraphilia no matter how strong one's experience of it at the age when such things develop. And with that genetic predisposition, even a slight exposure to the stimulus might lead to development of the paraphilia. What think you--?
 
Nice work, Myriads. Thoughtful, provocative, has the ring of truth.

But I have a question. What if particular paraphilias run in families? That is, what if it's more likely you're into tickling (or whatever) if somebody else in your family is into it? This is not implausible, as so many things run in families that you wouldn't think would do so. This would imply a genetic component that would be necessary for the imprinting of that paraphilia. By this hypothesis, without that genetic component, one would not develop the paraphilia no matter how strong one's experience of it at the age when such things develop. And with that genetic predisposition, even a slight exposure to the stimulus might lead to development of the paraphilia. What think you--?

The odds would be that if a paraphilia ran in a family, that there would be a higher exposure ratio for it to be experienced within that individuals imprinting phase.

There has been a lot of research on how male beauty standards change over time, and it has everything to due with how their cultures present them with images of women. All a beauty standard is, is a low level paraphilia, and we see them come in waves. As the culture offers more stimuli of one sort, more individuals develop paraphilia to match.

Simply, if there are more chances to experience a cue, there is a higher chance for the individual to get a paraphilia of that cue.

Myriads
 
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