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First Earth-Like Planet discovered?

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This is amazing news, we might not live long enough to see the planet up close, or on film, (because it is about 120 trillion miles away, it would take several generations for a spaceship to get there) but the supposed evidence of life out there is exciting.

An Article from POPSCI.
Freshly Discovered Earth-Like Planet Orbiting Nearby Star Could Be the First Truly Habitable Exoplanet.

A couple of math geeks recently calculated that the discovery of the first “habitable” exoplanet would be announced in May of next year -- but a few stargazers from UC Santa Cruz and their colleagues simply couldn’t wait that long. In a paper published in the Astrophysical Journal, the astronomers report the discovery of what may be the first truly habitable earth-like exoplanet orbiting the nearby red dwarf star Gliese 581.

Discovered via the Keck Observatory in Hawaii, the researchers claim their candidate planet is about three times the mass of Earth and orbiting smack in the middle of the “habitable zone,” or at the right distance for liquid water to be present on the surface (that is, not too hot and not too cold). Its mass also suggests it is a rocky planet with a solid surface and enough gravity to maintain an atmosphere.

The planet is tidally locked into orbit around the Gliese 581, which means the same side always faces the star, keeping one side in perpetual daylight and the other in darkness. If indeed Gliese 581g, as the planet is known, is habitable for humans, it would probably best sustain life right along the border between darkness and light.

The discovery, of course, leaves plenty of questions to be answered about Gliese 581g. First of all, “habitable zones” are a bit of a grey area in exoplanet astronomy, and some scientists think there are too many variables at play to even consider a certain distance or range of distance “habitable.” Further, the findings are very preliminary and a lot more observation will be necessary before astronomers really know what they are looking at.

But the fact that researchers have found another similarly-sized, potentially similarly-surfaced planet so close to Earth – Gliese 581 is only 20 light years away – in both composition and distance would suggest that such planets aren’t rare in the galaxy. That raises hopes that as the exoplanet search extends outward that we’ll find even more potentially life-harboring rocks out there.
 
Science on the move!

Just a quick time check though:
Fasted man made object (to date) 150,000mph

At that speed it would take 89432.75715 YEARS to get there. (Stellar distances- really makes you think!)
 
read it aswel in an artickle in a news page from my place , it is indeed very intresting and dreamy to actually have a planet that has similar treats like earth , i just hope there inhabitants are smarter and don't fuck it up ^^

on a side note there could be planets out there that aren't the same yet could produce life in a way we can't deem possible.
 
An Article from POPSCI.
Freshly Discovered Earth-Like Planet Orbiting Nearby Star Could Be the First Truly Habitable Exoplanet.

A couple of math geeks recently calculated that the discovery of the first “habitable” exoplanet would be announced in May of next year
:lol I gotta wonder what wackadoo assumptions went into a "calculation" like that. :rolleyes

Btw anything three times as massive as the Earth isn't exactly "human habitable", unless we plan on breeding a race of once-mythological dwarves (pint-size people with superstrength).
 
What!? Mars is only 11% the mass of Earth!? We couldn't survive there!
 
:lol I gotta wonder what wackadoo assumptions went into a "calculation" like that. :rolleyes

Btw anything three times as massive as the Earth isn't exactly "human habitable", unless we plan on breeding a race of once-mythological dwarves (pint-size people with superstrength).

aaah yes detailing , i don't know mucht bout it all but are u saying that if a planet has an increased mass it's gravety is also increased??
 
aaah yes detailing , i don't know mucht bout it all but are u saying that if a planet has an increased mass it's gravety is also increased??
That's the usual case. Planetary composition matters of course but assuming this planet is made of the same stuff ours is, it stands to reason that a 3xEarth place would have a higher surface gravity.

Making the huge assumption of equal planetary densities, the distance from the surface to the center of Gliese 581g would be cbrt[3] times Earth's radius, which would give a surface gravity of cbrt[3] = 1.442 times ours. Imagine an increase of our gravity by 44% on people with heart or respiratory weaknesses!

Chances are, Gliese 581g is even denser than Earth, which would make for an even higher surface gravity. 😱
 
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Imagine an increase of our gravity by 44% on people with heart or respiratory weaknesses!

By the time we figure out how to travel 20LY in a reasonable amount of time, such medical trivialities will be without consequence.

It's always humorous to me to not see that issue be brought up by the educated skeptics.
 
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oh but it seems we are on the good way to overcome that , i've read an artikle from my parts that the USA now have some sort of iron man suit with hydrolics to be able to carry more and stuff. Can handle the workweight of 2 it seems.Tough u get heavy + the suit gets heavy soo thats an equal equivalent i think so it would do a lot does it ??
 
oh but it seems we are on the good way to overcome that , i've read an artikle from my parts that the USA now have some sort of iron man suit with hydrolics to be able to carry more and stuff. Can handle the workweight of 2 it seems.Tough u get heavy + the suit gets heavy soo thats an equal equivalent i think so it would do a lot does it ??

Physical prowess isn't the issue. It's the effect of gravity and atmospheric density on the heart and lungs. The cardiovascular system has some issues with changes in gravity 😛
 
sorta like scuba diving or deep sea diving where ure oxigen gets compressed inside the lungs when going deeper and if ure past a lvl and go back up again too fast u go pop??
 
Think the question of if we can live there or not is not that important right now. The discovery is more looking at possible life already on it. Very possible even with the higher gravity since creatures on earth can live deep in the ocean under all the pressure.
 
indeed it would indeed spark my intrest what kinda animals have developed under those conditions, like meaby dinosaur like creatures or even a civilazation.
 
Maybe we could use nanites in our bodies to adjust to the pressure/gravity changes?
 
How could we possibly live there anyway? it's like a zillion trillion light years away..
 
How could we possibly live there anyway? it's like a zillion trillion light years away..
There's that. But I was just highly amused at the popsci article saying far-fetched things like "earth-like" and "habitable for humans" on the basis of nothing more than it being in its star's liquid-water zone. The ramifications of the high mass never even registers with them. :laughing:

And then there's the tidal lock, reducing whatever habitable (not human habitable) real estate there might be down to a sliver of that on a truly earth-like planet.

All in all, it would be cheaper to terraform both Mars and Venus than go chasing after this wild goose.
 
Yes, high mass is an issue. But we don't know anything about its density (how much water? heavy metals? If the planet is 50% water, and has little metal wouldn't be HUGE. On the other hand, all we know is 581g is at least 3 earth masses. It could be monstrous in mass and gravity.

I think its more amazing not in the 'hey, we could live there!' sense, but in the 'hey, other solar systems! (Gliese 581 has at least six planets now, all apparently rocky super earths). That could support life! Life on other planets is amazing, even if we can't GO there. Even if its just single celled organisms (although bigger is usually better). We're just discovering exo-planets, and its exciting to think what we might find next, right in our cosmic backyard.
 
Here's my quick and unsolicited thoughts (and a little science lesson):

-89,000~ years is pretty spot on. This would require a gravitational assist from Jupiter; not only to reach that speed but to completely escape the sun's gravity as well. I should add that there are relativistic concerns to factor in. (Here's the science lesson!) As we all know, Einstein proved that gravity is the curvature of space-time around an object. Why space-time, and not just space? Not only did Einstein theorize that light would bend around an object with sufficient mass (which turned out to be correct), but that time would be affected as well. The closer you are to the center of a massive object, the slower time passes. Our GPS satellites experience and must compensate for this; as the clocks onboard tick 38,000 nanoseconds faster than on Earth. That seems like a small number, but errors would gradually accumulate, rendering them completely useless. End of science lesson. :stickout

-On the subject of life; it would be entirely unfeasible for human life. Organisms like bacteria are surprisingly resilient in changes to pressure and atmosphere, however.

-Mars and Venus.. First of all, Mars lacks a magnetosphere. Any progress in "terraforming" it would be eroded by solar wind. Venus is too hot, and too close to the sun. It stands to reason that Venus was Earth-like maybe some hundreds of millions of years ago, but the sun boiled away any liquids on the surface to cause the atmosphere it has (which is 90x thicker than Earth's).

-Isabue, you're not entirely off on that number. It's about 117 trillion miles away. xD
 
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What!? Mars is only 11% the mass of Earth!? We couldn't survive there!

Mars has no (active) magnetosphere due to the fact that it's core has cooled and solidified. Without that, it can't deflect the harmful solar radiation the sun gives off. Any attempt to create a stable atmosphere will result in said atmosphere being baked away by the sun.

EDIT: Awwww.... PurpleStyle beat me to it...
 
Nobody ever said it would be cheap or easy to terraform Mars or Venus, just that it would be cheaper than attempting to colonize Gliese 581g.

The only habitable zone would at or near the terminator, and even that would be a major challenge. The convection currents across the terminator of a tidally locked planet with an atmosphere would be nonstop and very fierce, i.e., not at all ecosystem-friendly.
 
Not friendly for land-dwelling metazoans, but bacteria is a different story. Furthermore, sunlight is not a requirement for life. There are several creatures living deep within the Galapagos Rift with no access to sunlight. We as humans have this rather strange habit of projecting our requirements for life on other planets. 😉
 
Not friendly for land-dwelling metazoans, but bacteria is a different story. Furthermore, sunlight is not a requirement for life. There are several creatures living deep within the Galapagos Rift with no access to sunlight. We as humans have this rather strange habit of projecting our requirements for life on other planets. 😉

Wouldn't it even be humorous to find life with different chemical bases? We could find life built on silicon after all.
 
Wouldn't it even be humorous to find life with different chemical bases? We could find life built on silicon after all.

I'm no chemist, but it is a little hard to imagine. Silicone, rather than silicon (for those of you who failed high school chemistry, there is a difference. Silicon sucks at forming covalent bonds. :stickout ) would make a better basis for a metabolism. The environment would be vastly different than what we're used to, as well. Your typical "goldilocks zone for humans" requirement may be detrimental to such life forms.


Here's an article worth reading if you're into astrobiology. I can't help but find it equally as interesting as the planet orbiting Gliese 581, if not more so.
 
That's really neat 😀
It'd be nothing short of a miracle if it was inhabited by life aswell.
 
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