Flair, not just a hack, but he's a liar too.

[SlaverTickler]

I love it when he does stuff like this, it just makes me feel so... Right!

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[natural tickler]

We understand you dont like the man, but it is time you let it go....seriously

 

[SlaverTickler]

We understand you dont like the man, but it is time you let it go....seriously

Nah, he's a goof, and a liar. He's cut off pushes, and opportunities for other people. So he basically deserves it. On top of that he's friends with Triple H who was a member of the Kliq who were a group of pricks that also fucked people over.

 

[FeatherMAN28]

I agree...Flair is a douche...people like Him and Hogan needs to realize this aint the 80's its time to throw in the towel

 

[SlaverTickler]

I agree...Flair is a douche...people like Him and Hogan needs to realize this aint the 80's its time to throw in the towel

I'm just about to watch a match from the 80's (1986 to be exactly). The British Bulldogs vs The Hart Foundation at the Boston Gardens. It's not the era that their from, it's the age they are. Hogan is pushing 60 and Flair is already there. I think it would be great to see them stay involved. Hogan would be great on the commentary and Flair would make a great mouth piece for a stable, just so long as they remember it's about pushing the new guys and not getting themselves over. Best time in wrestling as far as great matches was probably the 80's and early 90's. Now RoH is trying to bring it back, and I really hope they can sign a tv deal with Canadian television so I can watch it up here as well.

This is what a Pro Wrestling Performance should look like...
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[magic fingers]

Nah, he's a goof, and a liar. He's cut off pushes, and opportunities for other people. So he basically deserves it. On top of that he's friends with Triple H who was a member of the Kliq who were a group of pricks that also fucked people over.

Are you one of these bitter Canadians who still worships Brett Hart even though he was one of the most overrated, boring and annoying wrestlers in history?
True, Flair's a washed up old man who should've hung it up years ago, but in his prime, he was a much better performer and in ring technician than Hart ever was

 

[SlaverTickler]

Are you one of these bitter Canadians who still worships Brett Hart even though he was one of the most overrated, boring and annoying wrestlers in history?
True, Flair's a washed up old man who should've hung it up years ago, but in his prime, he was a much better performer and in ring technician than Hart ever was

I think Bret Hart is an ass hole who sold out his brother's memory by going back to work for Vince McMahon. That being said, when it came to putting on a good match, nobody was better then Bret, and nobody was more over rated then Flair. On top of that. Bret was never so lax for confidence in his own abilities that he was afraid to make anybody he worked with look as good as he possibly could, while Flair would often go out of his way to sand bag matches and ruin peoples opportunities to advance. Flair may in fact be the single most over rated performer in the history of the industry.

 

[natural tickler]

I think Bret Hart is an ass hole who sold out his brother's memory by going back to work for Vince McMahon. That being said, when it came to putting on a good match, nobody was better then Bret, and nobody was more over rated then Flair. On top of that. Bret was never so lax for confidence in his own abilities that he was afraid to make anybody he worked with look as good as he possibly could, while Flair would often go out of his way to sand bag matches and ruin peoples opportunities to advance. Flair may in fact be the single most over rated performer in the history of the industry.

obviously you haven't seen the matches Flair had in the NWA in the 70's and early to mid 80's...classics, which have stood the test of time...I admit the quality of matches he gave in the 90's on weren't the best ones, but earlier in his career and when the NWA was hot in the 80's, he was the best wrestler period...do some research

 

[Heeko]

Yet again, this useless youtube clip proves nothing. He even says in his mind at one time it would have been NWA and Jim Crockett".

It just proves that personal situations and circumstances change that lead people to change their minds and opinions. It doesn't make a person a liar.

If that were true, every couple who said "I do" then got divorced were all liars.

 

[SlaverTickler]

obviously you haven't seen the matches Flair had in the NWA in the 70's and early to mid 80's...classics, which have stood the test of time...I admit the quality of matches he gave in the 90's on weren't the best ones, but earlier in his career and when the NWA was hot in the 80's, he was the best wrestler period...do some research

I've seen some of those, and then I saw them again in the 80's and again in the 90's (only he cuts himself more in the 90's so people will over look his lack of talent). I guess you missed the match he had with Scott Stiener at Clash of Champions where he basicley ruined the guys big push into singles by having the worst match I've ever seen involving a world champion that wasn't Kevin Nash. Flair was a hack, and a dough, who used politics to hold back "Stunning" Steve Austin (who's ass he would later kiss to try and get a program going, and Austin never did it). According to Austin he did it to Brian Pilman as well. He's also crapped on Randy Savage because he used to plan out his matches in advance, witch is easy for Flair to do since he always has the same match and never has to plan for anything. Ric Flair was never the best Wrestler, he worked with the best wrestlers who worked their asses off making him look better then he was. I would say he was the 2nd best marketed wrestler (to Hulk Hogan who was another monotonous performer), and it didn't hurt that he had the 4 Horseman angle to carrie him through most of the 80's. Speaking of the NWA, and the 80's, wasn't that around the time when that organization pretty much fell apart... on Flair's shift... yep that says allot for him.

ST

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yet again, this useless youtube clip proves nothing. He even says in his mind at one time it would have been NWA and Jim Crockett".

It just proves that personal situations and circumstances change that lead people to change their minds and opinions. It doesn't make a person a liar.

If that were true, every couple who said "I do" then got divorced were all liars.

Like I said before Heeko, mind over matter, I don't mind, cause you don't matter.

 

[Heeko]

Like I said before Heeko, mind over matter, I don't mind, cause you don't matter.

And if you had a mind you would realize what really matters.

You spell like a 5 year old with a spelling problem and have trouble with geography. I understand you being in Canada, but there are maps and resources you can refer, especially when trying to give a fact any validity.

Then again, I've already said it. If you had a mind you would realize what really matters.

I would consider putting you on ignore but I think too many people have already done that in your life. Especially your teachers.

 

[Goodieluver]

I love how slaver will use vintage matches in other promotions and other countries from the 70s-80s to portray how amazing wrestling was, then put this up for his hatred for flair, whom had some of the most classic matches in GLOBAL WRESTLING HISTORY in the
80s-90s

I wonder whats the timeline for him to shit on the Great Muta, arguably the greatest wrestler in the world and Greatest Wrestler not to work directly for McMahon. He uses chairs, blades a decent amount, you know, all that stuff that doesn't make wrestling entertaining

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Christ, Im mad at how Misawa just about destroyed AJPW after Baba died(god rest both their souls) but im not gonna sit and obsess over the actions and instead enjoy the continuation of the product.

Finally, I could be a snob and say that Kenta Kobashi's worst match outperforms anyone Slaver holds dear as a awesome match/wrestler, be it any of the hart foundation or members trained by the harts. But I shan't

Nearly every big wrestler in any promotion will do what they want to hold the up and coming talent down to keep their spot. You read any book from the Anderson book to any of the Foley books to whatever is hot now. Nearly every big top dog is gonna want to keep his job in the spotlight than to give it to another guy and retire.(Terry Funk is the ONLY guaranteed exception in this category)

 

[SlaverTickler]

I love how slaver will use vintage matches in other promotions and other countries from the 70s-80s to portray how amazing wrestling was, then put this up for his hatred for flair, whom had some of the most classic matches in GLOBAL WRESTLING HISTORY in the
80s-90s

I wonder whats the timeline for him to shit on the Great Muta, arguably the greatest wrestler in the world and Greatest Wrestler not to work directly for McMahon. He uses chairs, blades a decent amount, you know, all that stuff that doesn't make wrestling entertaining

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Christ, Im mad at how Misawa just about destroyed AJPW after Baba died(god rest both their souls) but im not gonna sit and obsess over the actions and instead enjoy the continuation of the product.

Finally, I could be a snob and say that Kenta Kobashi's worst match outperforms anyone Slaver holds dear as a awesome match/wrestler, be it any of the hart foundation or members trained by the harts. But I shan't

Nearly every big wrestler in any promotion will do what they want to hold the up and coming talent down to keep their spot. You read any book from the Anderson book to any of the Foley books to whatever is hot now. Nearly every big top dog is gonna want to keep his job in the spotlight than to give it to another guy and retire.(Terry Funk is the ONLY guaranteed exception in this category)

I think Muta is fantastic (and he doesn't need chairs or anything else to be entertaining), and that it was shitty how the NWA forced him to lose every match at a round robin tournament he was in at one of the Starrcades (I think it was 1989) where he lost 3 matches, and pretty much carried everybody he was in the ring with. It was a shambles.

If you're really the best in the world, you don't have to worry about losing your spot, because your ability should be enough to carry you. Flair didn't feel his skills were good enough so obviously he wasn't the best. Hart never worried about making every guy he worked with look as good as he could, because he had confidence in himself, and had the talent to back it up, that's why he was the best, and I would find it hard to believe anybody was any better. You simply don't have to screw up for the other guy if you are the best.

By the way, TLC isn't about the evolution of Pro Wrestling, it's about the devolution of the wrestling fans. Because only a vile mongrel would enjoy shit like that.

 

[InspectorJapp]

Still the man.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Still the man.

More like a Rodeo Clown, who rambled like an idiot every time someone put a mic in his face. Like I've said many times, the best don't have to sand bag the other guy to stay on top. The best would have to much pride in what they do, and to much respect for themselves to do that.

 

[InspectorJapp]

Nope. Still the man, actually.

 

[Johnny lea]

I've seen some of those, and then I saw them again in the 80's and again in the 90's (only he cuts himself more in the 90's so people will over look his lack of talent). I guess you missed the match he had with Scott Stiener at Clash of Champions where he basicley ruined the guy big push into singles by have the worst match I've ever seen involving a world champion that wasn't Kevin Nash. Flair was a hack, and a dough, who used politics to hold back "Stunning" Steve Austin (who's ass he would later kiss to try and get a program going, and Austin never did it), and according to Austin Brian Pilman as well. He's also crapped on Randy Savage because he used to plan out his matches in advance, witch is easy for Flair to do since he always has the same match and never has to plan for anything. Ric Flair was never the best Wrestler, he worked with the best wrestlers who worked their asses off making him look better then he was. I would say he was the 2nd best marketed wrestler (to Hulk Hogan who was another monotonous performer), and it didn't hurt that he had the 4 Horseman angle to carrie him through most of the 80's. Speaking of the NWA, and the 80's, wasn't that around the time when that organization pretty much fell apart... on Flair's shift... yep that says allot for him.

ST

Well of course we all have our favourites over the years and are entitled to our opinions, which is fair enough Slaver. I'll be honest I love Flair and view him as one of the best who ever did it, although I do find these last few years a little sad to watch.

A couple of points though, I wouldn't really blame Flair for the demise of the NWA during the eighties; The Crocketts expanded way to fast and threw ridiculous amounts of money around to gobble up territories like the UWF and boost their roster.

In terms of Flair burying Stenier in that match, yep it's there to see but he's not the only one to commit such acts.

Austin during his time on top refused to work with Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett during 1999, then come 2002 walked out on the promotion after he was requested to put Lesner over.

The example of what Triple H did to Booker T at Wrestlemania 19 is there to behold as well. The list is endless and the reality of what the business is about on top.

 

[proud2tickle]

its simple..... people love the hardcore of wreslting the attitude and he crisma....if you want to like a sport that is about the skill of the athletes watch football. wrestling is about what is marketable and whats interesting to the crowd. strength and skills sets play no variable in the equation of the outcome in pro wrestling. its a show, sometimes a good one and sometimes a bad one. everyone has the characters they like and dont.... but putting ric flair down like this after he was a key piece of the cornerstone to what we all love in some shape or forum is like saying babe ruth was lazy for eating hot dogs and drinking a beer before the game. if u dont like something he does that is fine. but there is no need to change peoples opinions of what they thing is great. Slaver you might be a fantastic wrestling analyst if you would just let your personal views and feelings out weigh your professional ones. you talk about bret hart being a sell out to his brother.... what if coming back to wwe provided closure to bret in ways we couldnt imagine... in fact at the end of the day his brothers death was an accident. i think its funny how you dont care for sting but that man is pretty much the prefect wrestler you always describe, oh and he never even thought about kissing Vincent Kennedy McMahon's ass. remember at the end of the day its just a show, not a competition

 

[proud2tickle]

not out weigh

 

[SlaverTickler]

Well of course we all have our favourites over the years and are entitled to our opinions, which is fair enough Slaver. I'll be honest I love Flair and view him as one of the best who ever did it, although I do find these last few years a little sad to watch.

A couple of points though, I wouldn't really blame Flair for the demise of the NWA during the eighties; The Crocketts expanded way to fast and threw ridiculous amounts of money around to gobble up territories like the UWF and boost their roster.

In terms of Flair burying Stenier in that match, yep it's there to see but he's not the only one to commit such acts.

Austin during his time on top refused to work with Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarrett during 1999, then come 2002 walked out on the promotion after he was requested to put Lesner over.

The example of what Triple H did to Booker T at Wrestlemania 19 is there to behold as well. The list is endless and the reality of what the business is about on top.

I don't side with Austin often (cause he is a gutless drunk who beats on women) but from what I know of the Lesner deal he was right. Austin was a big star, and to simply have him lose to Brock in a King of the Ring tournament match would be stupid. That sort of thing has WrestleMania written all over it. As far as I am concerned nothing Triple H has ever done was ever for the good of the industry. He is the King of Ass Kissers, and deserves no respect from the locker room. He is a selfish fuck, who never did anything for anybody but himself.

You would never see Bret Hart on a list like that. The only guy I ever heard Hart refused to work with (and I did hear him say it in an interview on TV) was Steve McMicheal (hope I spelled it right). He said he liked Steve as a person, but he had no real idea on how to work, and he wouldn't risk having a match with him. Other then that, both Bret & Owen Hart would work with anybody. Point in case, Bret defending the IC title against Skinner (and have a pretty good match wit him) and Owen putting over Bob Holly in his home town when nobody would do it (he beat him the next week when the IC title was on the line, but I don't think Owen would have cared if he'd lost that one either.). The Hart's could make anybody look like a million bucks, and if you were already great they made you look like a billion. There's never been anybody who had the balls to put their own spot on the line the way they did, because they were confident enough to know they were two of the best in the world. Bret's only weakness were his promo's, but if you really think about it, even though they weren't BIG like Flair's they were clear, and he got his point across. Bret made both WCW and the WWF money, especially as an international draw, the fact that WCW was to stupid to build on his exit from the WWF in 1997 wasn't his fault.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Nope. Still the man, actually.

Flair sucked, he was as useless in the ring as tits on a bull, and by the late 80's his promos were so worn out you knew it was time to go get a beer when he was handed the mic. Hart was just as big a draw for the WWE as Flair ever was for WCW or Georgia Championship Wrestling, and he was most likely a bigger draw internationally for both WCW and WWF. If Flair was so great why did Vince pick Hart to carry the ball, why did Vince (who is supposed to be the greatest promoter of them all) let the Nature Boy go back to WCW? Because Flair was one of the most miserable workers he'd ever hired. He worked a match with Savage that was so bad Vince made them go back out and re-do the entire match, and I'll guarantee you it wasn't because of Randy Savage either.

The truth is nobody has never wanted Ric Flair, not his birth parents, his adoptive Parents, the AWA, WCW, WWF, or anybody else. Vince was happy to let him go twice, and the only reason he kept him so long the 2nd time is married to his daughter. If your the best, you don't feel threatened by the opportunities of others, you do your best to make every match look good because it is what you are paid to do. What Flair did in that match with Stiener wasn't just a cheat on Scott, it was cheating the fan's of what could have been a great match. He's a loser, a liar, and a dirt bag. To be the man, you have to be better then the Hit Man, and if Flair even dreamed he was better then Bret Hart he'd best be apologetic when he wakes up.

Feud with Ric Flair
In 2004, Hart engaged in an off-screen rivalry with Ric Flair. In his autobiography, Flair criticizes Hart for exploiting the death of his brother, Owen Hart, and the controversy surrounding the Montreal Screw-job. Flair also claimed in his autobiography that, despite Hart's popularity in Canada, he was not a formidable money-making draw elsewhere, a claim which Hart dismissed as "plain ridiculous" in a column written for the Calgary Sun. Hart claimed that he drew greater revenue than Flair, citing his headlining performances on consistently sold-out tours throughout his WWF career, while Flair wrestled to allegedly near-empty arenas. He also criticized Flair on what he perceived as insults to fellow wrestlers Mick Foley and Randy Savage. Hart did acknowledge a decline in the WWF's popularity during the mid-1990s, but he, and others, felt that this was largely attributed to the WWF's well-publicised sex and steroid scandals, as well as WCW's acquisition of former top WWE stars. In contrast to Flair's claims, WWE owner Vince McMahon has asserted that whichever company hired Hart could "have built the entire franchise around [him]," describing him as an "extraordinary star who you know is going to give you the best match of the night every time he goes out there." McMahon added that it was "fortunate for me, in terms of my company," that his chief competitor, WCW, did not utilize Hart to his full potential.WCW described Hart as "an incredible international draw, attracting standing room only crowds in every corner of the globe."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Hart

 

[smokinj]

Doesn't a thread about 'pro wrestling' and I use that term loosely, belong on the silly stuff forum, cause thats exactly what it is. Sure I used to watch it....when I was 12. Sorry, I just don't see the appeal. All the theatrics and drama, on steroids.

 

[InspectorJapp]

Flair sucked, he was as useless in the ring as tits on a bull, and by the late 80's his promos were so worn out you knew it was time to go get a beer when he was handed the mic. Hart was just as big a draw for the WWE as Flair ever was for WCW or Georgia Championship Wrestling, and he was most likely a bigger draw internationally for both WCW and WWF. If Flair was so great why did Vince pick Hart to carry the ball, why did Vince (who is supposed to be the greatest promoter of them all) let the Nature Boy go back to WCW? Because Flair was one of the most miserable workers he'd ever hired. He worked a match with Savage that was so bad Vince made them go back out and re-do the entire match, and I'll guarantee you it wasn't because of Randy Savage either.

The truth is nobody has never wanted Ric Flair, not his birth parents, his adoptive Parents, the AWA, WCW, WWF, or anybody else. Vince was happy to let him go twice, and the only reason he kept him so long the 2nd time is married to his daughter. If your the best, you don't feel threatened by the opportunities of others, you do your best to make every match look good because it is what you are paid to do. What Flair did in that match with Stiener wasn't just a cheat on Scott, it was cheating the fan's of what could have been a great match. He's a loser, a liar, and a dirt bag. To be the man, you have to be better then the Hit Man, and if Flair even dreamed he was better then Bret Hart he'd best be apologetic when he wakes up.

Are you trying to say that you think Flair is slightly overrated?

That's wrong, actually. Still the man!

 

[CrystalLight]

Whaaaa??


Flair be Stylin' & Profilin' !


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!