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Hesitation (Star Wars)

great pic

hmmm intriguing as I stated on the TMF forum I like it. But why? Why does she hesitate?
 
Perhaps the one she has bested is beloved comrade? A male Dark Jedi?
 
My you're persistant, and with an old picture. 😛

Thats good though. As for the sequel, not yet. I plan these things accordingly with my other projects. I haven't forgotten, its really just a time factor and what I want to draw now.
 
A guy with my Forum ID says it all about his mindset 😛
How can I not be persistent.
But I will wait... until the end of days to find out the terrible... or not so terrible truth.
 
You mean the title of Darth?

She is a darth herself, is that the attraction? I wish I could elaborate more at this point, but to be honest, the details of her bio are pretty fragile right now. It could go either way. There was a point where she was a rogue jedi like Count Dooku. Or wait, he doesn't quite count since he's a sith in secret.

Anyways, things may change.

As for the happenings of this picture, there may not be a terrible truth. I just wanted to get across that even though she's "evil" she does have a conscience.
 
In a way she reminds me off Mara Jade as the Emperor's Hand as seen on a Decipher Card.
In her glory days before she got overused.

As for Dooku well he left the order and was a while still 'good' before he got contacted by Sidious and convinced of the 'faults' of the corrupt Republic and the power of the 'Darkside'. And such a delicious power it is...
 
Yeah, I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but I talked to him about how she coincidentally has Mara Jade's color scheme. If I wanted a Mara-type character I would have done it intentionally.

As for the Star Wars Customizable Card Game that sadly no longer is being made for SW, I have it, both a diverse Rebel and Imperial deck. I never did get Mara Jade, even though she was a promotional card that anyone could have got.

The one that was totally random was Palpatine himself from the Death Star II expansion pack. He was listed as an ultra rare card, and the chances of getting him in a pack were very low. I remember I bought a whole carton of DSII expansion packs. And while I did get almost every single rare card, character, and ship I wanted, I did not get Emperor Palpatine. And that would have given my darkside deck a sense of completeness. Ah well, it was a phase I think, and I was more into collecting them then actually playing the game.

As for Dooku, yes I realize that, but I was refering to when he was already in league with Palpatine.
 
I play alot of CCG's. Though Magic remains nr1 in my heart. Decipher had a rather good system... and the cards were of magnificent quality (Wars appears to have adapted/taken over the old system as poor Decipher lost the license as you know)
Never had Jade. Loved the look she had as Emperor's Hand. Magnificent blade too.

Not able to find the new one. (a year or 2 ago yes... but no longer find it... just as I want to try it, though the new system is more action orientated but lacking depth) A shame... .

Yeah. I'm amazed the EU is still this lacking in contradictions. Though officially there are none... or almost none. I have found several over the years. The biggest ever is the Fett family history. That background is so messed up it's ridiculous. Too bad since the Fetts are after Vader the 'coolest' 'foes' a hero can have in SW.
 
When I did play, one thing I liked to do was get a capital ship, and stock it up with pilots and weopons. I'd use the Defiance (a mon calamari star crusier). It gave +2 to weopon draws, and any ship it hit was -2 to power for combat resolution. If you put Captain Varrack on the ship, he adds a further +2 to weopon draws.

This one ship alone with the right combo cards deployed with it and turbolasers is really bad ass, it can take out any imperial ship, even the Executor with it's armor 12. Before, actually destroying the Executor would not have been possible. The only way the imperial player could lose it was by forfeiting it to satisfy attrition damage.

I have the Executor too, though its the original card, which I'm guessing is more rare and worth more. Yay for me. 😛

Yeah, canon and EU have a way of contradicting eachother at times. But its like that for other series as well. It would definitely be irritating if it was just a Star Wars thing.
 
Contradictions run amok you say?

The one thats actually from the original trilogy and the new one that still gets me is that up until Episode I were we to believe Yoda trained Ben, and not Qui-Gon Jinn. Now, I do realize that Yoda trains all of the younglings, Ben included, but as we know they are assigned a Master and this was Qui-Gon.

The contradiction and mistake lies in Ben telling Luke that he was trained by Yoda, and such. Theres never any mention of a Qui-Gon Jinn. Being that Qui-Gon was practically Ben's father for so many years, you'd think he'd mention him before Yoda and in a more personal, affectionate way.

Obviously Qui-Gon Jinn was a "tack-on character" unfortunately and was meant to bridge a gap Lucas didn't anticipate he would have to later, or quite like this.

This is really a shame, since of all the Jedi thus far, Qui-Gon Jinn is my favorite. He's a meaningful character, for a tack on, and its shame he had to be introduced because of script issues. And Liam Neison was great as Qui-Gon, I think. :happy:
 
I like the DVD trilogy... they edited the discussion between Vader and Palpatine's Holo in a positive way.
Unlike a lot of fans I don't mind special edition etc.

As for Obi... coming from the guy who said it was 'perspective'... .
(;

Off the new chars... my favourite is Jango, followed by Dooku (magistrally played but than again that actor rarely falters), thirdly Maul. I rather liked Qui Gon too at times.

Off the newbies I think Windu is overrated. Don't really like him.
Too 'forced'.

Yoda than again is probably one of the few Jedi I really like.
He's mostly puppet and CGI... yet he seems more alive than half the cast put together 😛
He's just so... likeable.

And that coming from a guy who has Vader and Maul as posters hanging at his wall 😛
 
Oh yes, the holonet conversation is obviously visually better first and foremost because its actually Ian McDiarmid instead of crappy CG. And then of course theres the additional dialogue.

I liked Jango too. His presense helps add a depth to what Boba is going to be like later. We now know what has motivated him and its interesting that they used Jango's actor's voice as the new voice over for Fett.

Windu is overated probably because people expected Samuel L. Jackson to go wild and show his skills early on. In the first movie the Jedi really did nothing, and Episode II was just a sample. Episode III is going to not only raise the bar but set it so high that its going to be hard to top it later, if Lucas ever decides to continue the series. I'm speaking specifically of the duels themselves and the physical performances, not the actual acting. Jackson is going to whoop some real ass this time, before he dies, and Palpatine is really going to show his dominance and power.

As for Yoda, I give it all up to Frank Oz. If someone else was Yoda I don't think it would have worked the same way. Lucas knew the type of personality he wanted Yoda to have and he chose wisely I think, from the actors he had available for puppets at the time. On top of that, Frank Oz is an excellent puppeteer, so it was no contest.

Unlike Windu, people looked forward to Yoda fighting. Its for the same reason that people want to see Palpatine fight finally. We've alway seem them as just these wise sages that talk the talk and little more than that and a few displays of their Force ability.

I think Episode III will see Yoda and Palpatine fighting. The two masters of Light and Darkness have to fight. I can't imagine III ending without at least a short duel between the two.
 
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Personally I am especially looking forward to the beheading of Dooku, the possible Anakin vs Dooku battle. Like everyone Anakin vs Obi but most off all the creation of Vader.
That will litterally be the turningpoint. And the moment where old meets new.
For me the movie falls or wins in the way they'll visualize his 'change' and especially the way he dons the armour.
 
Actually, some people think the turning point where he turns to the darkside is when he kills Dooku (when and if that happens). Because theres foreshadowing already that it might turn out this way.

Anakin gave in and kills Dooku, but Luke didn't give in and did not kill Vader. Thats the foreshadowing. That and both father and son lost their right hand in a saber duel to a Sith. Luke saw his father's mechanical hand chopped off and now we know it's Dooku who did that. Perhaps if Luke had not seen that or knew it he would have killed Vader in the moment and not have reflected on his own severed hand. It was done to his father and it was done to him. Luke saw his own face in Vader's helmet.

He knew immediately that what he did there would change his future forever, and he did not want to follow in his father's footsteps because he would turn out just like him and suffer the same fate.

Dooku is the connection of this foreshadowing in that both of these people had a choice in a critical moment and both made a different decision which altered their lives forever. So its very likely at this stage that Anakin not only fights Dooku, but kills him and thus turns to the darkside.

He's already Vader when he fights Ben, Anakin is, some people say.The actual duel there just further solidifies his decision in addition to the fate of him wearing the suit.

Its a battle of reluctance perhaps, but one that feeds Anakin's rage, even after it's over. We know he is consumed by the darkside BEFORE he wears the suit because his eyes changed (unless thats a dream or vision). However during the duel (in the trailer anyway) his eyes are normal.

This would explain why Dooku, a Sith, has regular eyes as well. Perhaps neither Dooku or Anakin are so consumed that they can choose to be that way. Not so with Palpatine, whose physical transformation in this movie is really just a reflection of what he's become on the inside and its just bursting out violently, which explains why his face is aged dramatically, his teeth begin to rot, and his skin goes completely pale.

Palpatine has been using the Force to keep himself from transforming (and not seem suspicious, especially to the Jedi and he's been using his powers to mask his true self from their detection which is a further drain), but the power is so great its slowly changed him anyway. I'm sure you noticed how in Episode I he looked normal, and in Episode II, he was pale, his hair was almost completely white and his eyes were less blue than they were before.

Of course though, Palpatine has nothing to hide anymore and so allows the transformation which I'm guessing is instantanious and I'll bet happens right before/during his duel with whomever he crosses swords with (which I'm guessing is either Yoda, Windu, or both).

Alot of people think Palpatine is the one whose going to kill Windu, and that Yoda steps in afterwards but was too late to save Windu. And then their duel begins. And we know these two survive it, so its curious to know how it ends, if it happens at all, which it better. 😛
 
I suggest you go see the Episode III trailer of Lucasarts.
Anakin seems destined to face Windu in the game.

Personally I think the Jedi Order needed to be reformed.
They were a bunch of ignorant overconfident Zealots.
It should have been a more military order.
I know sounds Darksidey... but in real life that had been useful.
A select group of emergency enforcers.

Another thing though many agree and many disagree with me on this.
Obi Wan and the Order themselves are at the basis of Anakin's change and that off many others.
Both their absurd rules surpressing human's most fierce desires (the early Old Republic Jedi Order did not have this) and their attempts to keep Anakin down in a way stimulated his chance.
Like during the Clone Wars. Anakin became a Fighter Commander. Obi and Yoda opposed this... . Though he performed admirably.
They didn't use tact either.
I know that if I had been Anakin that would not have come of as positive.
The EU but also the events of Episode II clearly show the skill of Anakin and though he lacks some maturity... he has a lot of energy. Energy they should have focussed and released.
At the stage he was in they should have released the reigns a bit more.
 
"Perhaps it is time we inform the Senate that our ability to use the Force has been dimmished."- Mace Windu

I think, for a long time up to this point, the Jedi Order was off it's game, in the cosmic sense. It simply wasn't a time for Jedi anymore, and they were so desperate to keep whatever they had that they pushed unreasonable expectations on the younglings and while they came out of it ok, its certainly not healthy.

At the time, the Jedi Order was made mostly of diplomats and the like that had never seen a war much less be involved in one, save for the eldest of the members, specifically, those on the Council. Its no wonder a great deal of them dropped like flies in the collesium battle near the end of the Episode II.

Its not their fault however. And ultimately, I don't blame the Jedi either, I blame the government which the Jedi are subjected to. And what was the government? By this point it was corrupt and complacent.

Windu said it best himself "we're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."

That being said, we cannot necessarily blame the Jedi directly or their mindset and reluctance to allow Anakin to be trained. Remember, they are working under the impression that he MAY be the chosen one who will bring the Force back into balance and he's just too great a liability. Their holding him back may not seem fair, but their concern is genuine. Yoda especially can feel Anakin's pain and frustration, so he knows perhaps better than anyone even Kenobi, that Anakin is unstable and should be closely watched.

The fact is, he is NOT the chosen one, and Qui-Gon Jinn was right when no one thought he was. Anakin would BRING balance, but it wouldn't be him, but his children, specifically Luke and his reinstitution of the Jedi Order, and a Jedi Acedemy. Qui-Gon somehow knew this about Anakin, whereas they saw it as a blind faith he was putting in the young boy. One Jedi was able to see what a council supposedly made up of the strongest Jedi could not.

Their minds were not in the right place at the time, as Sidious would have it.

Remember, the Jedi Order we see in Episodes I-III is based around a government that is not working and is flawed. In the process of protecting it, the Jedi themselves became flawed and perhaps too content. What wasn't their concern they didn't deal with, they let it pass.

They conformed to the standards of the government they represented, and thats the mistake. They became an organization within it doing what is self-serving.

You are what you eat.
 
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Agreed but he was the one who brought balance. First off all indirectly through Luke yes but mainly by that one decision he made.
 
Both his decision to join the darkside and his decision to save his son and kill his master were both balance changing decisions, but in a way both were a way of clearing the field for change to occur. He wasn't the change, so much as the bringer of change, which is a force in and of itself. He was the instrument through which change would occur, good and bad.

In the end however, I accredit the Force itself for the balance. The Force is like fire, its a non-discriminating element, but any abuse of it goes full circle even though it is a neutral energy.

If the Force truely does have a will of it's own, it knows what its doing.
 
But does it have a will of it's own.
After all the Jedi accidently discovered it during the ancient days of the Old Republic... and itnerpreted as they wanted.
Were they right? Are the Sith wrong? Are they both wrong or correct?
As they know the effects of the force... not the truth.
Reminds me off religion... you see things... and we make up a truth for it.
'life is a lie... the only truth is death' but even that can be disputed.
 
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