Hesitation (Star Wars)

[Celtic_Emperor]

The Force is with people who are sensitive to it. Much like in this world, in reality, those who seek God and have a personal relationship with Him are the ones who truely feel His presense and see His works where others see it as just a happy fate of chance. God's will is not a chance, nor is the Force's in this same way. Certain people are chosen to do something great, however small or momentous that may be.

In the same way, the Jedi are more capable than the Sith to use the Force to it's full potential. The Jedi are in communion with the Force, whereas the Sith only use it to a certain extent to move things and change things in this world. They are their own masters, and while that makes their decisions more forward and absolute, they lack true foresight and trust in the Force (much like people who don't believe in God, or whatever equilvent they would be inclined towards).

I think this is validated by the fact that the Jedi, through the Force, are capable of fully uniting with the Force upon death, like we've seen in the movies thus far with their spectral forms. The Sith simply die and concede to a non-existance, whereas a Jedi's journey may have only just begun.

Since the Sith do not value life, they cannot appriciate or understand anything that comes after death and we know that there is, and that there is more power to be had there.

"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!"- Obi-Wan Kenobi

Palpatine cheated death on several occasions, because he knew what was in store for him should he die. Palpatine however was chosen as well, chosen to make things as they were for the ammount of time they were meant to be.

The Jedi embrace death because they know it means a reunion with the Force. The Sith work in defiance of their fate, and so spite the Force itself by abusing it. And like I said before, abuses of the Force come full circle and that seals people's fates.

Yes, the Force is a neutral power, but its more inclined to be prominent among those who would use it to it's optimum potential and actually understand it and appriciate it for what it is. The Sith don't do that, and so they are gone for long spurts of time and only resurface when the Jedi are becoming too strong and complacent.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

True but in practice it does seem that the Darkside is stronger.
I find it most irritating that the Jedi keep saying we're stronger.
They are not.
Some Jedi with more potential and training can defeat a Darkside with less potential and/or training.
But if you'd for instance take Windu and put him against a Dark Jedi as strong and skilled as Windu he'd just have that extra edge.
After all the Darksiders are not limite that is their strength. They can warp minds, be in the offensive etc.
Vader, Exar Kun, Maul, Palpatine... their battles prove that.
What is correct is that the Darkside pays a price for their raw power.
It is a tool for them to use to achieve their goals.
Another thing is... not all Dark Jedi are psychotic and evil. They all run on a precarious cord but that does not necessarily mean they'd fall off.

For the Darksiders the Force is a tool. For the Lightside it's a way of life.
But on the other hand... it only goes for the latter areas.
As in the early Republic and with the REAL Sith it's as much an ideology as that of the Jedi. As much a religious view.
This however seems to dissapear.
On the other hand... on the even longer term that also happens with Luke's Academy.
Where they are a lot more pragmatic and practical about it. For obvious reasons off course.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

When the whole statement of "Master Yoda, is the darkside stronger?" and Yoda responding with "no" it was taken that the Light Side was stronger in all respects, but he was refering specifically to the end result and the potential. The truth is, ANYONE who uses the Force can be made stronger through it. A Jedi can have the same fury that a Sith has, and a Sith can have the same countering and defensive powers a Jedi has.

It boils down to personal style and how one uses the Force and how strong the Force is with a person, on a person by person basis, not necessarily which "side" they choose to involve themselves in. Yoda was right, the darkside is not stronger, its just easier to attain and easier to practice. The reason a Jedi seems weaker than a Sith in most cases is because they train years to perfect their styles and Force usage rather than physical brutality which gets more and more proficient in the same way. Its a deep, deep refinement process that in the end makes their skill more pronounced and effective in battle. A Sith basically says to hell with that, and relies almost completely on physical assertion to get the job done in a duel.

I'd say, with the Sith, its a series of mixed results. You'll notice that the more intellegent Sith tend to last longer and tend to be more powerful. Thats because they're doing what the Jedi are doing and thats taking the time to perfect their craft.

Strictly in a duel a fully trained Jedi Knight and a Sith Lord would end up in a stalemate I think and one would only win because the other made a single mistake, not because one is better than the other.

Take Qui-Gon Jinn's singles duel with Darth Maul. He was holding his own despite his advanced age. Maul was impressive, but Jinn took everything he delivered and actually augmented his style DURING battle to compensate for what his regular style would not be able to handle. Thats real tough to do in split seconds, especially when you've got someone striking at you at twice the speed and agility than yourself and two blades to deflect.

And like I said, Qui-Gon only died because of ONE mistake, otherwise it would have been a stalemate. This duel is a perfect example of how the darkside is not stronger. The two are equal, with both having their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

Don't agree. The EU sources clearly state he was dominated entirely.
He could play defensive... but he was wearing down. And 'quickly'.
Obi there was dominated too but his total defence technique kept him going.
As for Obi... he won against Maul through luck alone... he would not have had a chance.
Maul is/was stronger in combat killed some Jedi Masters before Episode I but only focussed on combat and the 'hunt'.
Vader, Obi, Qui Gon etc have diverse skills.
Which partially explain the situation.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I agree, provided you keep this duel in the contexts and contained environment of that generator core which Qui-Gon was trapped in, alone.

Before the final phase of the duel, Qui-Gon Jinn was clearly preparing himself to die and join with the Force by kneeling and meditating. He knew what was going to happen now, because of the situation.

As for Kenobi just getting lucky, well, to quote Ben himself "in my experience theres no such thing as luck".

For instance, should Palpatine have been so easily killed, the first time? No. The fact of the matter is the Force prepared the events in advance, and it was merely a moment of opportunity that was presented to Vader. When someone dies its because it was their time, whether they were murdered or died of natural causes.

Star Wars is perhaps one of the most literal movies out there which clings to the realities, truths, and beliefs of this world.

Alot of people accuse George Lucas of just being a sell-out, and such, but he's at least kept true to the messege, the moral of Star Wars, and thats great.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

He put alot of mythology, classic story structures and chars, movie elements and history in it.
That's what I like off it.

Vader faces Maul in a comic once. Did you ever read it?
In it he seems to have come off as the clear superior of Maul.
But I never got to read it. A shame...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Nope, never saw it. Seems interesting enough. Maybe you'll find a scan of it somewhere.

 

[Darth Vegeta]

hmm

Hopefully 🙂

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Was it a standalone comic or part of something else?

 

[Darth Vegeta]

no idea. I think standalone. Miniseries.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

A miniseries just for Anakin or what? This wouldn't have been possible, since he was just a kid when Maul was around. Was it one of those "alternate universe" deals?