Horrific kidnapper/sex offender found out!

[PurpleStyle]

I think you've both misunderstood my words. First, the system did not fail. Does it have flaws? Certainly. But throwing blame at an entire country's governmental system because a couple of morons in California did nothing is silly. If you really feel that passionate about it, maybe you should brainstorm some possible ways to fill in those gaps and help push us toward that Utopian society everybody seems to think will just magically happen on it's own.

Second, I never said she did anything violent. Nor did I say that everyone should start being peaceful and happy and Utopian. How does not getting pissed off at one rapist who is already in jail for his crimes equate to the Nazis conquering Europe? I'll tell you how; it doesn't. If you want my reasoning, you can scroll up and read your own words: the people you listed that got angry and did something had a cause to fight against; slavery, Nazism, equality.

Ask yourself this: Is there a cause to fight against in this case? No. What would you propose people fight against? Rape? Rape is already "fought" against; it's a crime. Just like slavery is illegal, and segregation is illegal.

There's a reason the victims' rights amendment didn't get passed: because sometimes, people who aren't criminals get convicted of crimes. If we follow how you say we should react, Hawk, we would be throwing even more innocent people in jail because of the social trend it would cause: using blackmail as a weapon against people. If I was a person of low moral standards, and I didn't like my neighbors, I could accuse them of raping me and have their name tarnished forever. Oh wait, that kind of shit already happens to people. Throwing in that victims' rights amendment would be akin to convicting people before they've even been to court.

A good friend of mine's father was falsely accused of sexual abusing a child many years ago, and now he's a registered sex offender. He didn't serve any time, but they put his name in the newspaper along with other sex offenders. Now I know this guy. He isn't like that at all. But does that stop the government from destroying his reputation as a person? No.

Who's looking out for the rights of the falsely accused? People without money who are victim to this kind of abuse, false accusations; get shitty court-ordered attorneys to defend them. How fair is that?

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Now that I think about it, aren't you two being unusually antagonistic? Turn the other cheek, "he'll get what's coming to him in the afterlife, so let's move on", etc? Or have you finally seen the light? 😉

 

[Cbarton]

I see this easily from both sides, Purple, as I was once accused of a sexual assault that never happened. I have seen parents locked up for child abuse for giving a misbehaving brat a swat on the bottom and labeled as 'child abusers.' I fully for the full rights within the court room and the assumption of innocent until proven guilty. What I refer to is the already guilty, not the presumed.

What should they fight against? How about the continued atrocities toward young kids and the pedophiles that s till get away with such stuff? Just because it is been declared illegal doesn't mean you stop fighting against it.

By how you claim I allude to, no more innocent people get locked up. I fail to see how you reach that conclusion. If I follow your logic, no one should get convicted because of the risk of ANYONE falsely being accused, but I know that is not your intent. You make being a victim's advocate sound like I should be made a pariah by the press for daring to speak up. I'm not for throwing people in jail left and right. I never said anything of the kind. I thought that was how all that 'social justice' stuff that was poured down my throat the past 40 years was supposed to work.

Yes, there is evil in the world and there are people how HAVE destroyed people as you've listed. That's why I feel you should only be on the sex offender list once convicted.

Antagonistic? Oh yeah, that's what I get called for not quaking in my boots when I reply and stand my ground. Turn the other cheek? Of course I believe in it. I often carry the bundle the extra mile. But, Christ also stood up against the Pharisees for how they used the law unjustly on the people and He even cast the money-changers out of the temple for cheating the true faithful. If He stood up for other and took action against wrong, then I shall let myself be 'covered by the dust of my Rabbi" and do as He did. After all, He still is the Light of the World.

 

[jts963]

I think you've both misunderstood my words. First, the system did not fail. Does it have flaws? Certainly. But throwing blame at an entire country's governmental system because a couple of morons in California did nothing is silly.

No more silly than assuming I was condemning "an entire country's governmental system". You're jumping to conclusions left and right. I was referring strictly to the justice system, the one that says a convicted kidnapper and sexual assaulter should get out after serving less than 20% of his sentence, that complaints from neighbors should go ignored or get a half-assed investigation. That system sucks because it doesn't adequately protect the public and it clearly in this case didn't prevent a young girl from being kidnapped and sexually assaulted by a PoS who should have still been in jail for his previous kidnapping and sexual assault. WTF, just how many times do these scum have to repeat their crimes before the justice system gets serious on their worthless asses?

You keep saying he's been convicted, like that solves the problem. He was convicted before. Sure worked out great for that little girl, didn't it?

By the way, he's been arrested, not convicted. The trial hasn't taken place yet.

 

[Wade1]

Screw our constitution

Well, that's kinda disturbing...

 

[PurpleStyle]

jts: My point is, he's been put in jail. There's no way he won't be convicted. Again, there's no "cause" to fight against anymore.

Hawk: Now you're not misunderstanding me, it seems as though you're twisting my words to vilify me. If you fully understand both sides, why were you drawing analogies that didn't pertain to my words? Forgetting about some deadbeat rapist who's gonna live the rest of his life in jail is like letting the Nazis take over Europe? Fighting against rape is like Martin Luther King Jr. fighting for Equality? Fighting for equality is one thing, but you can't just magically stop every human being on the planet from having devious intentions. As you yourself said, if Europe was super-peaceful the Nazis would own the entire continent. To put an end to rape would require putting an end to all crime in the entire world. If you believe that people should only be put on the list when convicted; why did you comment about my surprise at Rox's anger at all? As jts said, this man hasn't even been convicted yet.

Please, next time, read my words more carefully. I pointed out that rape is only in that all three are crimes. The feminist movement is long over, as is the civil rights movement. My being here and standing up to bullshit like this is a testament to the impact of women's liberation.

You will never stop anything from happening just because you deem it illegal. That's human nature. But of course you don't stop fighting against them. This is what we have the police and court for. However, there is no fight to rally the troops for in this case. As I've pointed out, several times, the atrocities are in the past, he's in jail, he will be convicted. There is nothing left to scream about except how wrong everyone thinks I am for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It's also obvious that the only reason people bother to disagree with me is because I don't go with the flow. My being an atheist that's happy with life is apparently wrong.

 

[ticklebug101]

This guy should be dipped in acid. That is all

Well said cuz.
Ooh, and maybe shot after?
ya know just before he totaly melted from the acid.
Sorry, I just think people like this deserve pain.

 

[Duke Diablo]

I want his fucking penis and testicles cut off! Not surgically removed people. CUT OFF! WHILE HE'S STILL CONSCIOUS! THIS TYPE OF SHIT GIVES ALL OF US BESM PEOPLE A BAD NAME AND FRANKLY IT GIVES THE HUMAN RACE A BAD NAME AS WELL! ANIMALS DON'T EVEN DO THIS TO THEIR YOUNG!

Oh, you'd let him go off that easily? Were it me, I'd be much more methodical (warning, ramblings of my sadistic side here):

First off, I'd give him a blood infusion... wouldn't want him to die on me, now would I? 😉
I'd start by driving a screwdriver between his fingernails and skin, and use the leverage to snap his fingernails away, one by one, in that method. With them out of the way, I'd tie a pencil to the back of his bloodied fingers and rolled it back, towards the top of his palm, thus causing the fingers to clench in the direction opposite of the one they were supposed to... again, breaking one finger by one. Then, one by one, I'd open his fingers up with a scalpel and remove the bones there, one by one, proceeding onwards to his hand and arm, but breaking the bones prior to extraction, all the way up to the shoulder. Of course, I'd repeat the same process for his other arm.
Then, I'd take his eye out of the socket, just a little bit, so it is still attached to the nerve, and just out enough so I can impale it on the pencil. Then, I'd take a lighter and burn the guy's eye until it chars, repeating the process with the other one as well. Then, I'd dip his balls in a slowly-corroding acid, and place a cage with several rats in it on his belly: being that there are very few vitals there (at least the ones that would kill him immediately), I'd heat the cage until it would be red-hot and, besides the pain from hot iron, the rats would be chewing at his intestines for a long, long time.
After that, I believe it would be best to impale him and leave him to die in pain. Just before he dies, though, he would be torn, limb from limb, and his remnants impaled on long poles on the road to capital, as a reminder to further felons.

And yeah, Purple, I understand your concern for Rox... 🙂 But rest assured, I am not pissed... I'd do this for joy.

 

[jts963]

jts: My point is, he's been put in jail. There's no way he won't be convicted. Again, there's no "cause" to fight against anymore.

In other words, you think he's the very last violent offender to get an early release and re-offend when he should have still been rotting in jail. :huh


There won't ever be any others, right? Right?

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

There is nothing wrong with an established death penalty. People who are repeat felons who get convicted of property crimes, fraud, extortion, etc. deserve life in prison. Murderers, rapists and other perverse freaks who prey on humanity just need to go. Society has the right to self-defense. This man clearly deserves it. Of course he is entitled to a trial. We can't have vigilantism running the show, but still should he be convicted then he deserves what he gets.

 

[morgandee]

you guys are nuts, every time i see this thread pop up from now on in my new posts list i'm going to add five random pictures to it because i know people like pictures more than boring text

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

you guys are nuts, every time i see this thread pop up from now on in my new posts list i'm going to add five random pictures to it because i know people like pictures more than boring text

If you do that, then I'm gonna start posting boring text about how serial rapists and killers should be sliced-up with teeny tiny razors in the "Interesting Pictures Thread". :stickout

 

[PurpleStyle]

jts: stop putting words in my mouth for crying out loud. You're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. I don't know what else you want me to say besides stating the obvious and reiterating myself for the 6th time. I can't admit that I'm wrong in this context, because I'm not.

Everyone else: I know you're just trying to be funny and get a rise out of me now, but it's getting old. If you're really that angry and aggressive, then all you're doing is showing how petty you are.

 

[Journia]

Seriously...what are the most of you doing? Most of you aren't going to implement the kind of torment you suggest on this man or any other criminal of the ilk. The man is caught, stop stressing yourselves out over this in such a non productive way. It's not going to do anything to hasten this man's death, or his whatever i te afterlife, if you believe in it.

So please, stop. there are much more diabolical things to worry about in the world.

 

[jts963]

jts: My point is, he's been put in jail. There's no way he won't be convicted. Again, there's no "cause" to fight against anymore.

In other words, you think he's the very last violent offender to get an early release and re-offend when he should have still been rotting in jail. :huh

There won't ever be any others, right? Right?

jts: stop putting words in my mouth for crying out loud. You're just arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. I don't know what else you want me to say besides stating the obvious and reiterating myself for the 6th time. I can't admit that I'm wrong in this context, because I'm not.

You said there's no "cause" to fight against. Which means one of two things: either you think this is an isolated case that will never happen again, or you think it will happen again but you don't care and you get upset that others care. Pick one.

This type of atrocity (entirely preventable crime facilitated by early release) happens routinely. If you're OK with that, that's your choice, but why get irate with those of us who don't like it one bit?

If the posting in this thread upsets you, take your own advice and ignore it.

 

[Timewarp]

i think this thread should be locked.

 

[Journia]

i think this thread should be locked.

I agree.

 

[Celerich]

Holy crap, how far off topic this conversation became. How about be all just agree that what happened is douchey, and that the police were worthless? There, something we can all agree on.

 

[Duke Diablo]

Everyone else: I know you're just trying to be funny and get a rise out of me now, but it's getting old. If you're really that angry and aggressive, then all you're doing is showing how petty you are.

I'm really sorry if I came out trying to be funny to get a rise out of you. I just think that, for some crimes, the prison just isn't a solution. I mean, I have read of cases both here and in my country where homeless people perform crimes just to get into prison. I'm sorry, but I can't see prison as a sentence severe enough for those guys. And, being that my dad worked as a chief of rehabilitation programs in two prisons (one of which was max security), and he told me of the programs they have for prisoners, and their goals to always try and rehabilitate someone. Now, to me, someone who commits such heinous crimes like that guy, or a murder, rape, high treason, etc. doesn't deserve such treatment. They need to be put down... not for vengeance, but for protection of others (prison guards, and further victims). I mean, one can escape prison... and if they are ever let out, what makes you think they won't do the same thing again? I believe that, at the moment they commited the crime on the victim and denied him/her their basic rights (living, free choice...), the attacker gives up their own basic rights.

Seriously...what are the most of you doing? Most of you aren't going to implement the kind of torment you suggest on this man or any other criminal of the ilk. The man is caught, stop stressing yourselves out over this in such a non productive way. It's not going to do anything to hasten this man's death, or his whatever i te afterlife, if you believe in it.

So please, stop. there are much more diabolical things to worry about in the world.

Honestly, given the chance, I'd really implement the torments I spoke of upon some people.

 

[morgandee]

looks like i saw this thread again!!!

 

[MistressValerie1]

i think this thread should be locked.

I agree.

As do I. Nothing will be gained by continuing this argument.