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I hate George Bush

xylo

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I've started this thread to discuss George W Bush. First off let me say that I cannot even comprehend how any logical (or perhaps moral) person would choose George W Bush to be the most powerful man in the world. Let's just look at his track record:
(this list was not compiled by me so if there are any factual errors please let me know so I can ammend/remove them)

Geroge Bush:
a-had been a cheerleader in school.
b-was a documented draft dodger.
c-had been arrested for public drunkenness.
d-had lost the election by 600,000 votes, but was president after being installed by his fathers friends in the supreme court.
e-had been best friends with the ceo of the corporation involved with the biggest instance of corporate fraud EVER.
f-had invited the perpetrators of the aforementioned fraud to the white house to set policy.
g-had long standing family ties with saudi arabia and the bin laden family.
h-allowed a private jet to fly around the united states after september 11 to pick up members of the bin laden family and return them to saudi arabia without being questioned by the fbi.
i-had presided over the steepest drop in the stock market and the greatest rise in unemployment figures of any president in the last 60 years.
j-bombed afghanistan looking for osama bin laden and never found him.
k-bombed iraq looking for saddam hussein and weapons of mass destruction and found neither.
l-proposed a 700 billion $ tax break for the wealthiest americans and planned on paying for it by cutting money to the police, fire departments, education, etc.
m-had members of his administration who had long standing ties to racist and white-supremacist organizations.
n-had a vice president who had been in business with the bin laden family.
and so on.

These points only scratch the surface of the complete incompetance of George Bush. If anyone else would like to add to this list please feel free to (there's a more comprehensive coverage in Mike Moore's Book Stupid White Men, however this book was discussed ad nauseum a little while ago if I remember correctly, so let's keep the discussion of it in the relevent thread)

Also if we can, let's try and keep this discussion as civil as possible (which might be hard considering some of the strong opinions about this matter) and look at each argument with an open mind.

Whew, that's it, I fear that this is definately going to become a very heated discussion - perhaps even moreso than the one that Krazy and I had about rappers (if you're reading this Krazy I'm still awaiting your response to my last post in that thread) - well, that's all from me on this for now.

xylo
 
xylo said:


Geroge Bush:
a-had been a cheerleader in school.
Wow! Not even I'd heard that one! Anyone know if that's true? Gotta be goldurn hillarious if it is!
xylo said:
b-was a documented draft dodger.
He enlisted in the Air National Guard a few days before he was due to be drafted. The process normally took weeks but a buddy of his dad's swore him in on the SAME DAY!
xylo said:
c-had been arrested for public drunkenness.
Frequently and let's not forget he was also suspended from the NG for refusing to take a medical unless it was done by his own doctor. The reason? Because he was snorting coke at the time and didn't want an independant medical done by the forces.
xylo said:
d-had lost the election by 600,000 votes, but was president after being installed by his fathers friends in the supreme court.
Pretty much the truth, yeah. Possibly open to some argument though, by the more legally minded. Basically he was fiddled into office because of a fucked up "electoral college" voting sysytem where voters don't vote for their candidate, but for a representative who can then change his mind if he or she feels like it.
xylo said:
e-had been best friends with the ceo of the corporation involved with the biggest instance of corporate fraud EVER.
LOL Yup, damn right. I'll be giving some in-depth details of that in PArt 3 of my 9/11 thread series.
xylo said:
xylo said:
f-had invited the perpetrators of the aforementioned fraud to the white house to set policy.
Ibid.
xylo said:
g-had long standing family ties with saudi arabia and the bin laden family.
Yup, if you call having Bin Laden's brother as one of the main stockholder's in his "Shrub" oil company, then yes he is closely connected to them. Again, watch for more details in my next big thread.
xylo said:
h-allowed a private jet to fly around the united states after september 11 to pick up members of the bin laden family and return them to saudi arabia without being questioned by the fbi.
OH HELL YES! The bugger is up to his neck in "Conspiracy" (as Myr calls it) and I'll be going into great depth about that later.
xylo said:
i-had presided over the steepest drop in the stock market and the greatest rise in unemployment figures of any president in the last 60 years.
And that's on top of all the fuck ups he made as Governor of Texas.
xylo said:
j-bombed afghanistan looking for osama bin laden and never found him.
You forgot the bit about causing tens of thousand of civillian causalties by bombing a village 7 days after the Taliban had left it.
xylo said:
k-bombed iraq looking for saddam hussein and weapons of mass destruction and found neither.
Ibid. Also watch for part 3 and 4 of my thread series as I'll rip him to shreds for some of the military expediences he's played.
xylo said:
l-proposed a 700 billion $ tax break for the wealthiest americans and planned on paying for it by cutting money to the police, fire departments, education, etc.
No comment. :disgust:
xylo said:
m-had members of his administration who had long standing ties to racist and white-supremacist organizations.
Not to mention himself.
xylo said:
n-had a vice president who had been in business with the bin laden family.
Not to mention himself again.


xylo said:
These points only scratch the surface of the complete incompetance of George Bush.
Hmmmm, not so much incompetence (although he certainly is) but deliberatley criminal. The man is the biggest crook to be President since.....err.........his father.

xylo said:
Also if we can, let's try and keep this discussion as civil as possible (which might be hard considering some of the strong opinions about this matter) and look at each argument with an open mind.
Let's hope so indeed, but I seriously doubt it will be.
 
George Bush really needs to get his act together, and take it out of the White House. The rest of the world thinks we are morons, because we voted him into the White House, and we didn't even do that!
 
LOL What a bunch of BULLSHIT..

Gores family had ties to Hitler. That doesn't make Gore Hitler. You can take ANY politician and eventually tie him to something, it's like playing 7 steps to kevin Bacan.

Bush was a football player, NOT a cheerleader

Bush IS a qualified fighter pilot. You don't become one of those without having some brains AND Guts.

Check the vote count again

The system of elections in the US was specifically designed AND RATIFIED by the people so the electoral college decided because quite frankly the Average American isn't really smart enough to elect a leader..

Hussein died the first night of the war, Bin Laden died November of 2001. You'll never find either. All you'll see is these "current video tapes"

American unilateralism is a good thing for the world.. The last time a country did things in her own interests there was peace for almost 200 years.. (pax Brittanica)

I pay almost 45K in taxes a year. You don't see me bitching. I want to know WHY because I make more money that I have to pay more taxes than those who don't

Uh you need to learn how economics work. What the current administration does will not matter. Economics are based on what happened 8 to 10 years ago. Clinton was helped by the Reagan Administration. Bush is paying for the clinton Administration.

BUsh needs to decide who is next. I figure either Syria,, or France.

Just because someone has ties to racist people does not mean he/she is racist themselves. To use an analogy, everyone here knows Haltickling, yet no one asks him how many Jews he's gassed today do we?? We don't because we know it's ludicrous to think he engages in OR condones this activity, yet a generation ago his country gassed 6 million of them.


Man I do get a luagh out of some of the loonies and idiots who come here 🙂


Tron
 
And if you don't want to go to those links xyz, or whatever your name is, here is one of his lies exposed from his BOWLING documentary (Documentary? Yeah right.)

"And Moore's anti-gun fervor also trumps the facts. He stages an event at North Country Bank and Trust in Michigan's Traverse City, claiming that opening an account would entitle one to walk out of the bank with a gun in hand. The film shows him doing just that. But the key word is "staged." In reality, the bank does not provide guns for opening accounts, and you can't walk in or out of the bank with one-unless you're a security guard employed by the bank. The gun is one of several "giveaways" that can be chosen by customers in exchange for opening a CD account. In order to qualify for the gun, customers must open a 3-year CD with at least $5,000 and then must pass a background check for the gun, which can only be picked up at a licensed gun dealer."

" Of course this is to be expected from Moore. He failed to reveal that he included quite a few inaccuracies in his latest film, which critics have been blasting him for in the mainstream press. Most notable of these gross mistakes is the scene where Moore supposedly opens up a Certificate of Deposit with North County Bank of Michigan. In the film, Moore opens up the CD because the bank allows customers to take their interest in the form of a rifle or shotgun. However, Moore didn't bother to include in his film the photo identification and FBI criminal records check a customer has to go through to receive the gun. In essence, the audience is given the impression that Moore walks into the bank and out with a gun in the same day. Moore actually staged the exchange, something you're not supposed to do in a documentary. After all, making a pro-gun control statement doesn't come across so well if you show the extensive hoops that one has to jump through to get the gun."

" First of all, in order to qualify for this free firearm, one must sign up for a long-term CD account with the bank. After all the necessary forms are filled out, the bank gives you a coupon for the handgun. Next, an extensive background check is performed on you to determine if you are actually responsible enough, by law, to redeem this handgun. Only then, after all of the criteria are met, can you go and pick up your free firearm."

"The much-celebrated scene at the beginning of the film where Moore receives a gun at a bank in return for setting up a certificate of deposit turns out to be false as well. In reality, customers at the branch where Moore shot the scene are normally required to pick up their guns at a local store. An executive at North Country Bank said the scene where Moore is handed the gun at the bank was staged at his request (and a mistaken belief by the bank that it would be good publicity)"

And also, and I find this funny, "To add insult to injury, he is also a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association, an organization he loathes so much."

And, and when his inacuracies and lies are pointed out by critics, he replies "How can there be inaccuracy in comedy?" he said on CNN. Yet in an interview with the Contra Costa Times, he expressed an opposite sentiment: "I always assume that only 10 to 20 percent of people who read my books or see my films will take the facts and hard-core analysis and do something with it. If I can bring the other 80 percent to it through entertainment and comedy, then some of it will trickle through."

So the fact is, HE IS A LIAR AND HE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey what post was it? and the last thing I want is a flame war!
 
I mean it. If you keep this up in this manner, Myriads with throw a fit. (Believe me, you DON'T want to be there when that happens.) So please, behave!!!!!:sowrong:
 
Re: LOL What a bunch of BULLSHIT..

Neutron said:
Gores family had ties to Hitler. That doesn't make Gore Hitler. You can take ANY politician and eventually tie him to something, it's like playing 7 steps to Kevin Bacon.

Bush was a football player, NOT a cheerleader

Bush IS a qualified fighter pilot. You don't become one of those without having some brains AND Guts.

I pay almost 45K in taxes a year. You don't see me bitching. I want to know WHY because I make more money that I have to pay more taxes than those who don't

Uh you need to learn how economics work. What the current administration does will not matter. Economics are based on what happened 8 to 10 years ago. Clinton was helped by the Reagan Administration. Bush is paying for the clinton Administration.

Tron

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Hmmm..should have known that if enough threads got posted Tron and I would find common ground...lol. Taxes ARE murder in the higher brackets. I pay nearly 20K a year now for HOUSE taxes in this area. My first 55,000 of salary goes for "services" that benefit everyone equally, and it's annoying at times. Last big tax cut increased the overall prosperity of the country and business owners could use a break. Tron also made a good point about the economic climate being a reflection of decisions made years ago...things don't happen instantly on that level.

Threads like this are prone to strong opinions. Please stay focused on the issue(s) rather than the poster... Q
 
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Krazy said:
Hey what post was it? and the last thing I want is a flame war!
It was the ICP vs Eminem debate in "Tha Eminem Thread" which was a while ago now. I just mentioned it because it was the last serious debate I was involved in. And there's no need to worry, there was no flame war, it was much less heated than this threads turning out to be.

xylo
 
You're not the only one, Xylo. I hate him too.

You forgot to mention the fact that he wormed his way out of fighting in Vietnam too. That's quite ironic for a man so obsessed with leading a war against poorer countries.

But no, a flame war is pointless. Let's all just respect the fact that we have different opinions to each other and move on. Xylo and I were just venting our frustrations. No harm in that.
 
WOW. There has already been an enormous response to this and I think that I should perhaps clear a few things up.

1. I did not write or compile the list, someone sent it to me via email and I just thought it would make a good discussion piece so I posted it along with some of my opinions on the matter

2. When I stated that it was not moral or logical to vote for George Bush, I simply that it was not in accordance with my morals or logic. And I'm sure that some people feel that it was more moral and logical to vote for George Bush. What I feel is moral is what is going to benefit the most number of people of the long term and I feel that, that is not George Bush, others may disagree, that is the main point that I intended to discuss in this thread. I'd like to hear reasons why people feel that George Bush is a good bet too. I, by no means, claim to have a monopoly on morality and logic.

3. I know that some people might be offended by the title of the thread. The reason why I used that title was so it would cause as many people as possible to read it and have an opportunity to post an opinion here.

With that out of the way, let the debate continue (minus the flames and personal attacks please everyone). Also people who are in favour of George Bush, how about posting some of the good things that you feel the Bush administration has too so we can discuss those.

Again, let's keep this discussion as balanced and civil as possible, and I'm sorr if I offended anyone, but I was just posting my opinions, and I look forward to hearing everyone else's too.

xylo

p.s. I still hate George Bush
 
Man I do get a luagh out of some of the loonies and idiots who come here


Agreed and you've given me the biggest laugh of all Tron. I agree with EVERYTHING Xylo said .
 
Well Shining Ice...

Since you realized there might be a war, and backed out of your military commitment I don't find it surprising you agree with xylo..

Lynchy HOW can you believe Bush skipped a Nam commitment???
HE IS A QUALIFIED FIGHTER PILOT!!!!!! GRRRR Last I knew that took a certain amount of guts and courage..

LOL HOW can a debate about ICP and Eminem be considered a serious debate. In my parents household stuff like that was reserved for the kiddy table.

Tron
 
Re: Well Shining Ice...

Neutron said:
LOL HOW can a debate about ICP and Eminem be considered a serious debate. In my parents household stuff like that was reserved for the kiddy table.

Tron


I can believe it.
 
Krazy..

I never said you did. As I recall you said you don't even remember the guy 🙂

Tron
 
Re: Re: LOL What a bunch of BULLSHIT..

qjakal said:


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Hmmm..should have known that if enough threads got posted Tron and I would find common ground...lol.



They say. If you give a 1000 monkeys a 1000 typewriters, and lock them in a room for 1000 years one will eventually write a work of Shakespeare..

I guess some chimp just wrote Macbeth 🙂


Tron
 
Re: Well Shining Ice...

Neutron said:
Lynchy HOW can you believe Bush skipped a Nam commitment???
HE IS A QUALIFIED FIGHTER PILOT!!!!!! GRRRR Last I knew that took a certain amount of guts and courage..
Funny you should menion that and your other points Tron, because...........

Neutron said:
Gores family had ties to Hitler. That doesn't make Gore Hitler. You can take ANY politician and eventually tie him to something, it's like playing 7 steps to kevin Bacan.
Hmmm, so that means we can forget that his grandfather funded Hitler, his father funded Hussein and he had a business partnership with the bin-Laden family? Oh well, that's alright then.
Neutron said:
Bush was a football player, NOT a cheerleader
Damn, I'm disappointed now. I was really looking forward to putting a poster on my wall with Dubya waving his pom-poms. I think he'd look nice in a skirt too.😀

Neutron [/i][B] Bush IS a qualified fighter pilot. You don't become one of those without having some brains AND Guts.[/B][/QUOTE] Brains? Hee hee. He scored 25% on the aptitude test said:
Check the vote count again
Tron-meister, I noticed you ain't replied to part 1 or part 2 of my 9/11 posts yet. Of course whenever we post in the same thread it invariably gets pulled, so maybe that's not a bad thing. In part 3 the focus will be mainly on the current President. Let's see what you think of his "honourable character" then.

Neutron said:
The system of elections in the US was specifically designed AND RATIFIED by the people so the electoral college decided because quite frankly the Average American isn't really smart enough to elect a leader.
So you think the right to govern themselves should be taken away from the people because they're not intelligent enough? I guess it doesn't matter really, because both candidates were cousins of each other and controlled by the same people, so it doesn't matter who gets voted for. As for being designed and ratified for and by the people, well that's laughable. It was designed and ratified by ex members of the British aristocracy and ex British army officers. As for being voted for by the people, well it was even easier to fiddle something then, than it was in the 2000 election.

Neutron said:
Hussein died the first night of the war, Bin Laden died November of 2001. You'll never find either. All you'll see is these "current video tapes"
Talking of videos, anyone ever seen the "confession" video that congress and parliament presented to show that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11? Good video, except for the fact that the bloke who was reportedly Osama bin-Laden was about 30 pounds too heavy and appeared to have had nose surgery.

Neutron said:
American unilateralism is a good thing for the world.. The last time a country did things in her own interests there was peace for almost 200 years.. (pax Brittanica)
One nation, one people, one leader. Maybe unilateralism is a good thing from your point of view Tron, but it's unfair and leaves it all open for manipulaion and blatant raqueteering by people with authority. 99% of conflicts between nations that divide the people would'nt happen in the first place if they were'nt manipulated into existence.
As for peace for 200 years, well I presume you're not counting the thosands of Zulus, Matabele, Native Americans, Maoris, Australian Aborigines, Indians and god knows how many other races and peoples from all continents that were slaughtered in the name of Pax Brittanica?

Neutron said:
I pay almost 45K in taxes a year. You don't see me bitching. I want to know WHY because I make more money that I have to pay more taxes than those who don't
I agree actually. Taxing high-earners into the ground in the late 60's and early to mid 70's is what caused the brain-drain in Britain.

Neutron said:
Uh you need to learn how economics work. What the current administration does will not matter. Economics are based on what happened 8 to 10 years ago. Clinton was helped by the Reagan Administration. Bush is paying for the clinton Administration.
Uh? So Clinton only created that situation, because of what Reganomics left him with then? With longer lasting things that could go right back to 1789 and even then George's ghost could compain he was only compensating for the erstwhile tea tax.

Neutron said:
BUsh needs to decide who is next. I figure either Syria,, or France.
Words fail me, so I'll just emote instead. 😀😛 😱 :wow:

Neutron said:
Just because someone has ties to racist people does not mean he/she is racist themselves. To use an analogy, everyone here knows Haltickling, yet no one asks him how many Jews he's gassed today do we?? We don't because we know it's ludicrous to think he engages in OR condones this activity, yet a generation ago his country gassed 6 million of them.
A common nationality doesn't indicate a tie to anyone. (And Hal isn't even the same nationality as Hitler was.) The Bush family's ties to rasism go as far as Prescott, George and Dubya actually funding those or having business partners who have committed rascist crimes. That is a lot more precise than 7 Steps To Kevin Bacon. It's direct involvement.
 
Re: Re: Re: LOL What a bunch of BULLSHIT..

Neutron said:

I guess some chimp just wrote Macbeth 🙂


Tron


ARGH!!!!

Hot potatoes, hot be-jaws, got to make amends!!! ARGH!!!!! *pulls on his own nose*

You need to be both a Brit and a Blackadder fan to understand that one! 😀
 
Tron................try LOGIC. Just once I promise you, you'll be surprised at how much it works..
 
HisDivineShadow said:
Who said that? Baldrick, Blackadder, or some other person?

Neither. It was two actors hired in Episode 4 (Sense and Senility) of Series 3. Every time someone mentioned the word "Macbeth" they went through this weird little ritual to dispel the bad luck.
It involved a funny dance, the above mentioned gibberish and hoiking on each others nose. Happy?😀

Tosser. 😛
 
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