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Im sorry but Fuck you denver

Goodieluver

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This story is grotesque

DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffan looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row. Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation.

Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed — an average of more than three a day.

Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance.

Some owners, like Steffan, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.

For Steffan and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had.

"It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground — at least she'll be able to play now," Steffan said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack."

Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation.

Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs — the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter.

City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that."

Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.

"Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said.

Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control.

Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

"If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill — unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen — that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites.

The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths.

But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity.

At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver.

Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.

"He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel."
 
Lets hope the locals voice their displeasure during the next election... This looks like a classic case of overbearing local government run amok.
 
Living across the river from Cincinnati, I can attest this was NOT a knee-jerk reaction there. We had a string of several maulings including the death of a 4 year old by a pit bull that knew the boy well.

I think it is a combo of the instincts of the breed AND bad owners. Unfortunatley, the owners of the attacking animals on the whole act as if "they did nothing wrong' but fail to train the animals properly. BUT, since being responsible for one's actions is policallty incorrect with most of the current generation, it will only get worse.

The ordinance has been controversal, but until all owners of these breeds act responsible with them, you'll see more of it.
 
Unfortunately it's not just the ownder at fault here. I'd like to say that if a pit-bull is handled right then they all have the opportunity to grow up as loving family pets but that's just not the case.
Especially in metropolital areas with high crime and a big dog fighting problem you end up with breeding lines full of dogs bred for their visciousness.
Some of these turn into fighting dogs which are either killed in fights or confiscated and put to sleep. Others end up being put in households or pet shops where they may think they're getting a sound animal and don't realize their dog has a genetic background littered with fighters.
Those dogs can, and have, just snap and attack.
So in part I can understand a city that has a big problem with dog fights needing to go to the extreme and banning the breed entirely. It IS unfair to the family pets who are taken away but on the other hand it will surely cut down on the problems associated with dog fights.
It's important to look at both sides, you know?
 
ITS completely the OWNERS fault.....a dog attacks a person, why? Bad training and not watching the dog. I have a half rot\lab, and i can attest cutest dog ever.....also laziest...takes up more of the friggin bed than i do but moving on. I dont let him out of my sight or off a leash in public because i dont want him causing danger to someone or HIMSELF. This issue is horrible, whats next, cant have a dog in a certain city that has black fur or over 65 lbs because that classifies as a bag and potentially mean and bad dog? Hell squirrels and racoons give rabies, why isnt there a campaign to exterminate them?

I kid not, if some cop came to my lawn and even attempted to take my dog away, i would be arrested and put away for a long time because i will threaten and get physical. No one is taking the one real unconditional love of my life away from me
 
If I am not mistaken some overseas countries have done the same thing Like the UK and Canada
 
It's true, Zod. There are countries, including the UK, that have a blanket ban on the Pit Bull as well as a few other dog breeds.
And I hear you, goodie. But I still stand by the argument that with viscious blood lines running rampant it is sometimes beyond the owners control when and if their dog "snaps" and attacks someone. There have certainly been cases where a well trusted family pet attacks a child in the home with no provocation. Banning the breed is a last-ditch effort to stop the breeding of animals that come from lines bred for their propensity to fight. it's a horrible thing to have to do but I do see why they do it.
 
what a bunch of bullshit! I am sorry, but Denver is a fucked up place. If this continues, all known 'aggressive' dogs will never set paw on Denver soil. One word comes to mind - Ridiculous!
 
Just to say, Pit Bulls are viscious by nature, just to other Pit Bulls. In the past I have done some research on animal attacks. In reality Pit Bulls rank much lower, it's just the fact that when they do attack they intend to kill. They're a warrior dog, they love to fight. I rented a documentary on Pit Bulls and it's clear the dogs enjoy fighting each other. In one scene a Pit Bull had another Pit Bull's jaw clamp on their eye, sure it was wimpering, but it was wagging it's tail. After the two dogs were broken apart the Pit Bull had that 'dog smile' and wanted to go back for more. This is just my two cents though. Frankly any dog can be an attack dog if they are trained right, some are just more inclined then others.
 
Frankly any dog can be an attack dog if they are trained right, some are just more inclined then others.
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Especially in areas where dog fighting is a big problem you'll have a lot of dogs being selectively bred to be vicious. When breeding dogs for fights the more mentally unstable the better. And when these lines get into the breeding population of family pets then you start seeing "trusted" animals attacking.
 
nessonite said:
It's true, Zod. There are countries, including the UK, that have a blanket ban on the Pit Bull as well as a few other dog breeds.
And I hear you, goodie. But I still stand by the argument that with viscious blood lines running rampant it is sometimes beyond the owners control when and if their dog "snaps" and attacks someone. There have certainly been cases where a well trusted family pet attacks a child in the home with no provocation. Banning the breed is a last-ditch effort to stop the breeding of animals that come from lines bred for their propensity to fight. it's a horrible thing to have to do but I do see why they do it.

Ness, this denver law is based on an attack in 1989 where 2 separate incidents occured and a minister and a boy were mauled.

If the dog is from a violent bloodline then yes, they should be taken and secured where they cant do harm, hell we lock up fuckin murderers and rapists for life and have people bitch and moan at how its cruel to lock up people or have the death penalty, but hell its just a mangy dog, lets kill em.....

Sorry, this issue bothers me very very much
 
cloudfrevrr said:
Just to say, Pit Bulls are viscious by nature, just to other Pit Bulls. In the past I have done some research on animal attacks. In reality Pit Bulls rank much lower, it's just the fact that when they do attack they intend to kill. They're a warrior dog, they love to fight. I rented a documentary on Pit Bulls and it's clear the dogs enjoy fighting each other. In one scene a Pit Bull had another Pit Bull's jaw clamp on their eye, sure it was wimpering, but it was wagging it's tail. After the two dogs were broken apart the Pit Bull had that 'dog smile' and wanted to go back for more. This is just my two cents though. Frankly any dog can be an attack dog if they are trained right, some are just more inclined then others.

And german shepherds are trained to be attack\guard dogs too, hell its a standard training tactic of the police to shout commands in German to the dogs because they've been bred so long to the commands that its heredity and it gets a more provoked response. Should German Shepherds be banned as well in cities because they potentially can be harmful to someone?
 
Should German Shepherds be banned as well in cities because they potentially can be harmful to someone?

Well no. As far as I know there isn't a large problem with violent German Shepherds being bred and running rampant as family pets. Shepherds are not only bred for strength and agility but for obedience and intelligence. It's quite different from pit bulls who are bred (in certain circles) to be just plain mean and unstable.
Keep in mind I'm not agreeing with Denver...I'm just saying that I understand their reasoning and I think their point of view does have some validity.
 
But why stop with pittbulls, why not exterminate every dog because every dog has the potential to kill somone.

Hell, while we're at it, lets kill every shark in the world, i mean lil over 100 attacks in a year, THEY'RE BLOODY MURDERING BASTARDS...LOL

I prob need to step away from this but this infuriates me so much.

There are murderers in prison who are still alive due to technicality or liberals arguing the death penalty is immoral and that prison itself is cruel, yet this is allowed to be done. I thought the act of singling out a group and exterminating them was immoral and just evil.....i think we fought a war durin the 40's about this topic....well we claimed it was the issue but none the less, it was a major point
 
Goodie, I was in no way implying that Pit Bulls are the only dogs bred to attack. There is a great difference between dogs trained to fight and dogs trained to attack though. I have never heard of any case where a police dog has attacked a person to the extent that other dogs have. In fact German Shepards are trained to take down an enemy, not kill it. I was simply saying that Pit Bulls are, genetically, more agressive and viscious dogs, but only to other dogs. I myself am appaled by what Denver has decided to do, this really shows the ignorance some people have and the hypocrisy we have in America. How is it alright to declare a mass genocide and ban of a specific dog, but still wrong to allow these same dogs to fight to the death? All of this is completely out of line and hopefully, though most likely not soon, a large majority of people will realize the true problems and begin cracking down harder on owners then simply blame a breed.
 
This law has been on the books for a few years, now they are enforcing it, there are similar laws in cincinatti and miami.

My point is that rottweillers were not bred to attack but as guard dogs, similar to German sheps. But on some statistic they list rotties as number 2 on the agressive list(funny, another list has them as top 5 on most intelligent dogs). But Sheps are given an ok because they are cop dogs and rotts are not. My point is all three can be considered vicious and potentionally dangerous dogs, why limit to one breed if yer exterminating one.
 
Perhaps they are allowed for the greater good. Statistics are easily skewed. If there are 99 Rott's and 1 Pit Bull, I would expect the Rott's attacks to be of a higher percentage. Also, if German Shepard attacks are counted in every criminal they take down, thus attacking, then the numbers can be farther skewed. I am in a full agreeance with you Goodie, Denver should have never allowed that law to be passed. Sadly it has an now many innocent dogs will be terminated because of it. On a slight side note, your shark comment jogged my memory a little bit, coconuts falling on people's heads kill more people a year then shark attacks. Also more people die from Hippo's then from airplane crashes. It's kind of off topic, but it just goes to show that threats vary from where you are. Larger city's will most likely have more Pit Bull attacks than other places simply because there are most likely more Pit Bulls that have been trained to mindlessly attack.
 
cloudfrevrr said:
Perhaps they are allowed for the greater good. Statistics are easily skewed. If there are 99 Rott's and 1 Pit Bull, I would expect the Rott's attacks to be of a higher percentage. Also, if German Shepard attacks are counted in every criminal they take down, thus attacking, then the numbers can be farther skewed. I am in a full agreeance with you Goodie, Denver should have never allowed that law to be passed. Sadly it has an now many innocent dogs will be terminated because of it. On a slight side note, your shark comment jogged my memory a little bit, coconuts falling on people's heads kill more people a year then shark attacks. Also more people die from Hippo's then from airplane crashes. It's kind of off topic, but it just goes to show that threats vary from where you are. Larger city's will most likely have more Pit Bull attacks than other places simply because there are most likely more Pit Bulls that have been trained to mindlessly attack.


Heh i see someone's been watchin mythbusters(coconut reference) 🙂
 
goodieluver said:
ITS completely the OWNERS fault.....a dog attacks a person, why? Bad training and not watching the dog. I have a half rot\lab, and i can attest cutest dog ever.....also laziest...takes up more of the friggin bed than i do but moving on. I dont let him out of my sight or off a leash in public because i dont want him causing danger to someone or HIMSELF.


Good for you, unfortunaltey, Goodie, you are the minority of those owners. The breed was originally created to pull cars out of pits or mines that were to small for horses. Then fight breeders bastardized the breed to take advanatage of the strong jaws. Too bad for the dog, for now the agression has been breed very deep into them.
 
kyhawkeye said:
Good for you, unfortunaltey, Goodie, you are the minority of those owners. The breed was originally created to pull cars out of pits or mines that were to small for horses. Then fight breeders bastardized the breed to take advanatage of the strong jaws. Too bad for the dog, for now the agression has been breed very deep into them.


Many racists claimed that african americans could not deal with freedom because of their centuries of slavery and equated them to be no better than savage animals. Because they were "bred" to work in the fields and such. Hopefully thru education, those racists and many other see the flaw in that grotesque reasoning

Fear makes people act irrationally
 
Let's not forget the Doberman Pinscher in the list of dogs that have been demonized in my lifetime....
 
That isn't a fair comparison, goodie. We know it is very easy and relatively quick to breed certain traits into your dog's bloodlines. The same way that miniature poodles have been bred to be tiny or sheepdogs have been bred to herd. It really can't be denied that madness and visciousness can and have been promoted in pitbull lines (as well as some rotties, dobermans, etc though less often as they arent used for organized fighting).
 
I live in the southern suburbs of Denver and contrary to F.L. Atlanta's assertation Denver is NOT 'Fucked up'. While we are at it goodieluver who do you think you are anyway to start a thread called 'Im sorry but Fuck you Denver' just because you don't agree with an ordinance the City passed concerning Pit Bulls. Miami and Cincinnati are other major city's that passed the same ordinance but you selected to single out Denver for your tirade. Everyone has opinions on dogs that can turn on people and bite, mame or even kill them and why they think this is true or false and that's fine. I for one think dogs like Pit Bulls and some other breeds that have been bred for fighting can't be trusted around small chiildren and even full grown adults. If I saw a Pit Bull attack a small child or adult there would be no need for any ordinance to ban them because I would make sure they were destroyed even if I had to load up a 12 gauge shotgun and kill them myself. Any dog that can't be trusted because meanness has been bread into them needs to be kept away from people especially small children to prevent further such attacks from occuring. Until they are we will continue to witness their attacks on people either in person or on TV or read about them in the newspaper
 
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goodieluver said:
Many racists claimed that african americans could not deal with freedom because of their centuries of slavery and equated them to be no better than savage animals. Because they were "bred" to work in the fields and such. Hopefully thru education, those racists and many other see the flaw in that grotesque reasoning

Fear makes people act irrationally
That is such an outlandishly STUPID reply I will ignore it and not reply...
 
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