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In Defense of Michael Vick

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With all the talk of Michael Vick and how much everyone hates him, I wanted to try a twist and actually defend him.

First, I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not agree with or condone his actions. That said, here's my defense of Michael Vick.

Michael Vick is human. He made a huge mistake. That mistake cost him millions of dollars. Like anyone convicted he will serve time. Michael Vick is not saying he is innocent. He is only asking forgiveness. He is not saying he should not serve time for his crime. He is only asking we forgive him during and after he has served that time.

No one on this planet is perfect. At some time in our lives we all have done something we regret. We all have used poor judgment and made poor decisions.

What exactly did Michael Vick do that was so horrible, so terrible and so horrendous? For most it's the fact he murdered dogs. For those who think this one act is so sickeningly threatening to society, I ask you this: How many of us had hamburger last night? Chicken? Steak? That means that somewhere, somehow, someone murdered an animal. Somewhere a cow, pig or chicken got slaughtered, murdered and put through acts that would probably make what Michael Vick did seem humane.

Which brings up another point. He and his partners in crime "murdered" these dogs for performing poorly in the dogfights. The dogs they murdered were probably bleeding profusely, suffering with huge gashes and cuts and writhing in agony as they died. Truth be known, Vick and his partners actually did these dogs a favor, much like putting down a horse with a broken leg to stop the suffering.

I know there are some that say he took a life. This is true. But it was the life of an animal. No different than the life of the dinner most of us ate last night. There's a huge difference in killing a dog, a cat or animal than killing another human. For those who say there isn't, then why aren't slaughter house employees doing time? Why don't they throw hunters in jail? They are killing innocent, non threatening animals every day.

Then there's the argument these people are killing to provide food and sustain life. Wrong. Anyway you look at it, they are no better than Michael Vick. They are killing an innocent animal life for their own gain and profit.

There's a huge difference in what Michael Vick did in killing suffering dogs that in reality were probably going to die anyway, than if he had taken a five year old girl out in his backyard and put a gun to her head. That's a human life. Would you want a murderer that commited that crime doing the same sentence as Michael Vick?

Ok now let's take a look at the positive that Michael Vick has done. He's helped charities and organizations in Atlanta. He's given time and money to Virginia Tech to help improve and further the education of those less fortunate. He's always been there when the people of Atlanta have needed him. His football jersey is the highest selling jersey in Atlanta Falcons history. Until now, he has been a role model for the youth of Atlanta.

Michael Vick has admitted his mistake. He will serve his time. He made horrible wrong decisions and got involved with the wrong people. He has since made peace with himself and turned to religion. He has vowed to redeem himself once he has served his sentence.

In closing I ask you this: If you were Michael Vick, what would you do and how would you feel? You would be ashamed, scared and in need of a friend.

He has admitted his crime. He will serve his time. It's easy to back someone when they are on top but a lot more difficult when they are at rock bottom.
 
Sorry pal. The court has heard the defense and rejects it utterly.

What exactly did Michael Vick do that was so horrible, so terrible and so horrendous? For most it's the fact he murdered dogs. For those who think this one act is so sickeningly threatening to society, I ask you this: How many of us had hamburger last night? Chicken? Steak? That means that somewhere, somehow, someone murdered an animal. Somewhere a cow, pig or chicken got slaughtered, murdered and put through acts that would probably make what Michael Vick did seem humane.
We eat animals to survive. For nutritional purposes. Dogfighting serves no function of survival whatsoever. It's entertainment and even then, only for those twisted enough to enjoy it. Whether my eating meat is right or wrong has absolutely no bearing on Michael Vick's crime. Even if you believe I'm wrong to eat meat, I'm not the one who slaughtered the animal. It's already dead and packaged by the time it gets to me, so I'm not doing any more harm by eating it. Michael Vick on the other hand takes perfectly healthy dogs and deliberately sets them to kill each other. There's simply no comparison.

Which brings up another point. He and his partners in crime "murdered" these dogs for performing poorly in the dogfights. The dogs they murdered were probably bleeding profusely, suffering with huge gashes and cuts and writhing in agony as they died. Truth be known, Vick and his partners actually did these dogs a favor, much like putting down a horse with a broken leg to stop the suffering.
Did Vick and his partners do the dogs a favor by putting them into this bleeding, writhing condition to begin with?

Don't take this the wrong way, but Michael Vick better hope you never serve on his defense.
 
Michael Vick is low. He did not make a mistake. To make a mistake, one has to unwittingly, subconsciously do or say something negative that, after a few apologies, can be overlooked. What he did, however, can not be.

To defend Vick for his crimes, you can also defend the man that burned a pit bull alive, or the kids that used their mower to kill kittens. People that wantonly abuse and slaughter animals for pleasure.

Butchers and cattle ranchers kill livestock for food. Many government groups are in place to ensure that this is done in a humane and professional manner. People that hunt for food either like the taste of duck, quail or deer, or are in areas that don't have a Super Wal-Mart around the next bend. Those people do what they do to survive, just as you would.

Nothing Vick did was humane or professional. He demonstrated that he is just as good as the next lowly, common thug who gets his jollies watching animals kill each other for sport. And being someone who knows and has seen how people train dogs for these illegal rings, those poor beasts might as well be put out of their misery as soon as possible.

Vick is a thug, plain and simple. And just like every other professional athlete, was over-paid to toss a ball around and even that wasn't enough.
 
Killing vs killing...

Killing a cow to make hamburgers or stakes is alot differemt then killing a dog because it isn't a good fighter. Vic should go to jail 5 years for every dog he killed at least!
 
Yes, we do all make mistakes.

Michael Vick made a mistake. And he knew it.

So what did he do next?

He went into Federal Court and entered a 'Not Guilty' plea on Day one.

Does it seem like he understood his mistake or was sorry for it? Nope. That's the key to much of this in my book. The dude got busted, then STILL denied it in court -- under oath. He obviously felt like he was above the law.
 
i don't eat meat...and i can't believe you would compare him with butchers anyway...they don't do it for amusement..he slammed defenseless puppies on the ground...he should be put away for life...
 
Dogs are not for human consumption so there goes yer whole food analogy. These dogs were not used for food as well, they were kept in cages and bred to be extremely violent and dangerous and when they lost they got beaten or killed

Let me throw a shitty analogy your way too, If some dirtbag beats his wife or kid, shouldnt he be forgiven because we're all just animals arent we?

GMAFB

You also try to give a shitty ends justify the means style argument and it is false. Blame the cancer, not the symptoms
 
Gutsy first post. Welcome, I guess.

Right, I'm with my partners here.
Vick fessed up because he had no choice. His friends and witnesses turned on him. He initially claimed innocence. Bad move #1 and cost him more respect than he'd lost already for his actions.
#2 This is a nation of dog lovers, whether you're one of them or not.
#3 The contract he signed forbids activity such as gambling. He intentionally violated that.
XOXO
 
First, I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not agree with or condone his actions. That said, here's my defense of Michael Vick....

What exactly did Michael Vick do that was so horrible, so terrible and so horrendous? For most it's the fact he murdered dogs. For those who think this one act is so sickeningly threatening to society, I ask you this: How many of us had hamburger last night? Chicken? Steak? That means that somewhere, somehow, someone murdered an animal. Somewhere a cow, pig or chicken got slaughtered, murdered and put through acts that would probably make what Michael Vick did seem humane.

Which brings up another point. He and his partners in crime "murdered" these dogs for performing poorly in the dogfights. The dogs they murdered were probably bleeding profusely, suffering with huge gashes and cuts and writhing in agony as they died. Truth be known, Vick and his partners actually did these dogs a favor, much like putting down a horse with a broken leg to stop the suffering.
Help me out here. You say you don't condone his actions, but how can you not condone "doing an animal a favor," if that's what you really believe Vick did? Doing an animal a favor is a good thing, right? You really ought to condone that.

Unless perhaps you understand that taking a wounded animal and electrocuting it, or hanging it up to strangle slowly, is not really comparable to humane slaughter or euthanasia. It's just making their last moments even more horrible. Perhaps you understand that these dogs wouldn't have been injured in the first place if Vick and his buddies hadn't been betting on which of them would tear the other to pieces in a pit.

If you understand that, then of course you can't condone what he did. No decent human being could. But then in that case you know that he wasn't doing them any "favors" either.

Vick deserves everything he has coming to him. It's possible that he might rehabilitate himself and his character someday, but I don't think pious words are enough.
 
I have been trying to avoid this, but I just can't anymore.

What Michael Vick did was wrong, plain and simple. He helped murder 37 dogs, that is true. Having acknowledged that, here is my problem with the whole thing:

Why should a man have to lose his career for killing dogs if some of the same men killed, raped, used drugs etc and are allowed to keep their careers? Fine him, put him in jail, but don't take away a man's career. He worked hard for that and still what he did was very stupid. But he lost his career because the animal loving community wanted his head on a plate. Where were they when Ray Childers was allowed back to the NFL? Where were they when one of the Cleveland Browns (who's name eludes me) was in jail for drug possession? Where were they when the former Houston Oilers quarterback (who I'm surprised I don't remember his name) beat his wife? They got to keep their careers. Arent' they more important than dogs???

If they would get behind people causes 1/10th in the manner they joined against Michael Vick, I wouldn't have a problem. But they don't; many of them will step over someone dying in the street to get to a stray puppy dog IMO!

The man should pay something, he did wrong and should pay. But should he pay with his career especially since he isn't the first athlete to break the law and won't be the last?
 
Yes, we do all make mistakes.

Michael Vick made a mistake. And he knew it.

So what did he do next?

He went into Federal Court and entered a 'Not Guilty' plea on Day one.

Does it seem like he understood his mistake or was sorry for it? Nope. That's the key to much of this in my book. The dude got busted, then STILL denied it in court -- under oath. He obviously felt like he was above the law.

I've made my share of mistakes and plead not guilty to them too. That's just the way the game is played. It got me out of a few well deserved traffic tickets too. It's not the same as illegal dog fighting I know, but court is court and that's just how the game is played.

The biggest thing I blame Vick for is being stupid! Once you get a NFL contract, it's time to leave the hood behind. He and his brother never left that criminal element when they got contracts. I don't even think his brother plays in the NFL anymore, with his so-called "bad boy" self. You have to leave the hood and the element that comes with it alone if you want to keep your contract.
 
Killing animals is killing animals. Vick is no worse than a person who hunts animals. Most people choose to shoot the animals, but Vick and his friends had their own methods. What Vick did was wrong but don't make it seem like he is worse than any other person who kills animals as a hobby.
 
I have been trying to avoid this, but I just can't anymore.

What Michael Vick did was wrong, plain and simple. He helped murder 37 dogs, that is true. Having acknowledged that, here is my problem with the whole thing:

Why should a man have to lose his career for killing dogs if some of the same men killed, raped, used drugs etc and are allowed to keep their careers? Fine him, put him in jail, but don't take away a man's career. He worked hard for that and still what he did was very stupid. But he lost his career because the animal loving community wanted his head on a plate. Where were they when Ray Childers was allowed back to the NFL? Where were they when one of the Cleveland Browns (who's name eludes me) was in jail for drug possession? Where were they when the former Houston Oilers quarterback (who I'm surprised I don't remember his name) beat his wife? They got to keep their careers. Arent' they more important than dogs???

If they would get behind people causes 1/10th in the manner they joined against Michael Vick, I wouldn't have a problem. But they don't; many of them will step over someone dying in the street to get to a stray puppy dog IMO!

The man should pay something, he did wrong and should pay. But should he pay with his career especially since he isn't the first athlete to break the law and won't be the last?

The problem I have with this is that his life got too easy... NFL players have no appreciation for people who go out and bust their ass all day long for a fraction of what sports figures earn. Their job-- Is to go and play a GAME! Wish I could earn millions doing virtually nothing. What exactly is his contribution to society? Execute this lowlife, and all murderers who kill for their own enjoyment.

You want him to keep his career? Well, then i think you should be behind reinstating Don Imus' employment, whose WORDS offended somebody....Right? Like him or hate him, I have no opinion on him, I'm a Stern fan, but he didn't physically injure anybody.
 
Killing animals is killing animals. Vick is no worse than a person who hunts animals. Most people choose to shoot the animals, but Vick and his friends had their own methods. What Vick did was wrong but don't make it seem like he is worse than any other person who kills animals as a hobby.
We don't have to make it seem that way. It already is that way. Though hunting for sport is pretty dispicable in its own rite, it rarely if ever comes close to approaching the level of inhumanity practiced by Vick and his fellow thugs.
 
Killing animals is killing animals. Vick is no worse than a person who hunts animals. Most people choose to shoot the animals, but Vick and his friends had their own methods. What Vick did was wrong but don't make it seem like he is worse than any other person who kills animals as a hobby.

I could not disagree more! Hunters eat their kills. Do you like to fish, by the way? So hunting is a hobby?
 
priorities

I'm no Michael Vick fan. I have never seen him do anything that amazing. In fact, I had him as my first fantasy quarterback pick two years in a row, and he let me down both years with injuries and lameness. but in all fairness, he bets on some dog fights that he arranged and gets kicked out of the leauge, while professional athletes are doing far worse everyday and not being punished for it. Football and basketball players are getting high, taking steroids, raping college girls, wrecking cars, detroying property, and not getting kicked out of the league. Some are convicted of rape, go to jail, and come back to play when they get out. Do we as a people value our dogs more than we value our daughters?
 
hello he didn't just bet...he killed them...gesh
 
hello he didn't just bet...he killed them...gesh

He ordered/approved the killings, he wasn't even on the property (to my understanding). He didn't actually kill the dogs. Does it make it any better? Certainly not! He should be punished for what he's done; I just don't think he should lose his career over it.
 
I'm no Michael Vick fan. I have never seen him do anything that amazing. In fact, I had him as my first fantasy quarterback pick two years in a row, and he let me down both years with injuries and lameness. but in all fairness, he bets on some dog fights that he arranged and gets kicked out of the leauge, while professional athletes are doing far worse everyday and not being punished for it. Football and basketball players are getting high, taking steroids, raping college girls, wrecking cars, detroying property, and not getting kicked out of the league. Some are convicted of rape, go to jail, and come back to play when they get out. Do we as a people value our dogs more than we value our daughters?
To suggest that getting high and/or taking steroids is worse than maming and killing defenseless dogs is beyond ludicrous. I hope no dog is ever cursed with you as a master.
 
To suggest that getting high and/or taking steroids is worse than maming and killing defenseless dogs is beyond ludicrous. I hope no dog is ever cursed with you as a master.

That's not all he said drew.

He included rape, dui, destroying property. Some have even gone to jail and got their jobs back when they got out. I even mentioned those that have been involved in murdering people, domestic abuse, and the like. Why didn't they have their jobs taken from them? Simple answer; they didn't piss off animal rights groups.
 
Oh, I'm not saying he should lose his career, kis. I'm saying he should walk the green mile. You know, take a ride on Ole Sparky.
 
Oh, I'm not saying he should lose his career, kis. I'm saying he should walk the green mile. You know, take a ride on Ole Sparky.

Well, not enough juice to kill him but enough sparks to send a message would be fine. You know, about 37 good shots in his behind should do nicely along with a ridiculous fine and 5 years community service at an animal shelter would be great. To humiliate him further, he should be made to travel and speak on the dangers of animal cruelty. That's how I feel he should be dealt with.
 
Gotta reply, if only for the nearly unique (for me) experience of agreeing with Drew.

kis, I think the claim that he didn't do anything himself was one of his defenses. Not to put too fine a point on it, it was a lie. He plead guilty to actually killing dogs.

To compare that with DUI, destroying property is...I can't think of a word to use that wouldn't start a flame war. Let's just say I strongly disagree with that.

Comparing it to murder is another matter. But when "being involved in murder" is a bit more of a stretch. I assume you're talking about Tank Johnson, who's bodyguard was murdered? So yes, he was "involved" I guess. But hardly in a criminal way.

And rape? Mike Tyson was convicted of rape and went back into the boxing ring. That's disgusting, and enough to torpedo any respect I might've had for boxing. It's hardly an example the NFL should try to emulate.

The guy repeatedly took living animals and deliberately tortured them to death. He's not being punished because he did something "un-PC" or because he pissed of the wrong group. He's being punished because he repeatedly committed a heinous crime.

Put it this way: A lot of people have said that animal rights activists don't care what happens to people. Can you imagine what would've happened to Vick if his victims had been human? If he'd been kidnapping children, caging them, forcing them to fight, torturing them to death? It's obscene to even consider. Anyone caught doing such a thing would be lucky to survive long enough to be sentenced to death. But because Vick's victims were animals, he'll pay a fine, serve a few years in jail, and be free to do just about anything he wants, except being paid millions of dollars to throw a football. That's hardly excessive.
 
Anyone notice that the OP hasn't said a word? Wanna bet he's joining a lot of forums and posting the same thing?
 
Anyone notice that the OP hasn't said a word? Wanna bet he's joining a lot of forums and posting the same thing?
Actually lk, Id be willing to wage dollars to donuts that the OP is a member of the forum already and created another ID to post this message because this person did not want a PM box full of nasties and to be trolled on every post they make on the forum from here on out.

Ok, on to the real discussion....
Why should a man have to lose his career for killing dogs if some of the same men killed, raped, used drugs etc and are allowed to keep their careers?
This is actually an easy answer for me kis.... it is not my say or anyone else's on if Vick keeps his job or not. It is the company that make the decision. It is his right to have a job, but not his right to have this job. Being an NFL player the person takes the risks associated with it. If other people murder, dui, cheat, steal or whatever the individual company has the right to fire or keep on said person. The NFL is within its rights to terminate him permanently if they choose to do so. Playing football in the NFL is a privilege not a right.
No one has said that he can never have a career, just that he might not be able to play football. If he spends 2 years in jail and can play again but no one wants to pay him, its not that he can not work it is just no one wants to take a chance.
Again it is not his right to play in the NFL. He made the choices, very bad ones and must deal with the consequences. If because of his actions no one wants to hire him, dont blame the companies, blame the actions he made.

Rob
 
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