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I've gone veggie
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sugarmouse
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skim milk hasnt as much b vitamins...but apart from that its more nutriscious in a way cos the abscence of fat means it has more nutrients per 100mils
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areenactor said:
I hope there are no uneducated (on diabetes) diabetics on the board, because that statement is completely false, and very dangerous. I'd love to see the horrified look on my doctors face if I tell him, I'm going to stop insulin injections because I'm no longer eating carbohydrates.
First insulin has nothing to do with digestion, it is the mechanism your body uses to move the glucose into your blood cells, thus giving you energy. The glucose comes from eating carbohydrates, but your body also makes glucose on it's own (called glucogen..not sure on the spelling). Someone who is no longer making insulin (or not making enough) must still takes shots even if they give up carbs. Yes, they may need less, but they will NOT stop taking shots.
Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread, but that post was just too dangerous not to respond.
tbbw
Different diets work for different people. I tried being a vegetarian and it didn't work. I gained weight(fat) and loss muscle. When I went back to meat I lost the weight and gained muscle. In addition when I was a vegitarian I felt tired all the time. I no longer do. But what works for me may not work for someone else.
Steve,
You were being political in implying that anyone who is against high-protein diets has an "agenda" of anti-meat-ness (note: anti-meat-ness is not a word, I know). I just want to do what's right and what works for me, personally. If I really thought the Atkins diet would be just the thing for me, I'd have the logic that in that case it would either be the animals or me, and I like me. Veggie just works better for me. (Iggy might have the right idea on this.)
It's not that I don't want to hear your point of view, but you keep making the same point over and over.
You were being political in implying that anyone who is against high-protein diets has an "agenda" of anti-meat-ness (note: anti-meat-ness is not a word, I know). I just want to do what's right and what works for me, personally. If I really thought the Atkins diet would be just the thing for me, I'd have the logic that in that case it would either be the animals or me, and I like me. Veggie just works better for me. (Iggy might have the right idea on this.)
It's not that I don't want to hear your point of view, but you keep making the same point over and over.
And besides..."you vegans?" Did you not read me saying that I'm not going vegan? Did you not read Ayla saying that she's not vegan?
(For those reading this who are confused: vegans eschew all animal products, while vegetarians will still eat eggs and dairy.
(For those reading this who are confused: vegans eschew all animal products, while vegetarians will still eat eggs and dairy.
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Daumantas said:
i want to be a vegan but im too lazy!!!!
i dnt eat eggs tho...theres somthing unappetizing abouta chickens period.......😛 but each to their own.....
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ticklishbbw said:
sorry bbw, but you are 100% wrong! positivly, absolutly wrong! first i am a freaking nurse! i have worked on a endocrine unit at evanston hospital. i also worked at an alternative medicine clinic for over 5 years. i saw, and worked with literaly 100's of diabetics who went off insulin shots, and controled their diabetas by using our diet alone! my father is a diabetic, we talked to his dr. about it. he agreed that taking out the carbos, starches and sugars would negate the need for insulin. sad part is, my father won't give up that shit.
listen people go ahead, eat how ever you want, i don't care. i tried to give someof you the truth, but you don't want it, fine, not my problem ,it will be yours down the road!
and btw. milk has almost no value to humans. if you want protein from milk, you need to use human breast milk. remember cows milk is ment for baby cows! not humans. think about that one.
steve
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areenactor said:
No, You are wrong, and if you are an "actual" nurse, I'll make sure to never have diabetic problems near your place of employment.
I have been a diabetic all my life. No matter what I eat, I will never go off of insulin. The only people who MAY go off insulin shots are type two diabetics, who are still making insulin. If their problems are primarily driven by insulin resistance then a change in diet, and losing weight may keep them from takings meds and shots. However a type 1 diabetic, whose body does not make insulin, will NEVER go off insulin shots. Amounts will be adjusted, but they will never stop taking shots.
How Scarey!!
If anyone wants information on type 1 diabetes (or type 2), see the link below, or talk to your primary care physician or endocriniologist.
American Diabetes Association
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Forgive this brief hijacking of this thread...
For kwil's birthday, I bought a multicolored feather boa, and wrapped it around a gift...me!
The funny part is that I had forgotten I bought a boa until I saw it mentioned in his birthday thread, so he received a belated birthday gift.
Ayla ny said:
For kwil's birthday, I bought a multicolored feather boa, and wrapped it around a gift...me!
The funny part is that I had forgotten I bought a boa until I saw it mentioned in his birthday thread, so he received a belated birthday gift.
Re: veggie is not healthy
I have heard so many people speak out against the Atkins diet, that it makes me want to grip them by the throat and puke in their faces.(And coming from gentle, pacifist me, that is saying summat!!!) No-one has EVER shown that it causes any of these weird and wonderful health problems like renal failiure, heart disease or bone problems. Quite like many things the medical profession largely adopts the opinion least supported by the proof and evidence available, and then ridicules anyone who dares to oppose it. Even people who have been on it come out with total shite sometimes. I heard two people in a chat show audience say they were on it, but that you were only supposed to do it for two weeks at a time. Once again, it's a sign of people going into something without knowing anything about it.
If you start Atkins, you could feasibly stay on it for the rest of your life, even if that amounts to a century. The induction phase lasts for two weeks, but the diet doesn't. I sometimes wonder if half the people who have gone on it or critiscised it, have actually read anything about it, apart from the single chapter in Dr. Bob's book, which deals with the induction.
As for it's effectiveness, well that is beyond doubt; at least for most people. I went on it and lost nine pounds in five days, and a full stone in a week. (14 pounds.) Sadly, staying on it was largely impossible. One of the biggest things was that I had to eat huge amounts of fresh vegatables (there goes another myth that allegedly intelligent health professionals like to waffle about), which meant going shopping every two or three days. Given the way our household is structured, that was largely impossible.
areenactor said:
I have heard so many people speak out against the Atkins diet, that it makes me want to grip them by the throat and puke in their faces.(And coming from gentle, pacifist me, that is saying summat!!!) No-one has EVER shown that it causes any of these weird and wonderful health problems like renal failiure, heart disease or bone problems. Quite like many things the medical profession largely adopts the opinion least supported by the proof and evidence available, and then ridicules anyone who dares to oppose it. Even people who have been on it come out with total shite sometimes. I heard two people in a chat show audience say they were on it, but that you were only supposed to do it for two weeks at a time. Once again, it's a sign of people going into something without knowing anything about it.
If you start Atkins, you could feasibly stay on it for the rest of your life, even if that amounts to a century. The induction phase lasts for two weeks, but the diet doesn't. I sometimes wonder if half the people who have gone on it or critiscised it, have actually read anything about it, apart from the single chapter in Dr. Bob's book, which deals with the induction.
As for it's effectiveness, well that is beyond doubt; at least for most people. I went on it and lost nine pounds in five days, and a full stone in a week. (14 pounds.) Sadly, staying on it was largely impossible. One of the biggest things was that I had to eat huge amounts of fresh vegatables (there goes another myth that allegedly intelligent health professionals like to waffle about), which meant going shopping every two or three days. Given the way our household is structured, that was largely impossible.
soleshine said:
A not-so-bad point, that applies to more than just knowledge of the vegetarian diet. There are huge myths about Atkins going round, largely caused by people reading some half-arsed shite in a newspaper and then assuming it's the gospel truth. Sadly this extends to quite a few health professionals.I swear to God that I saw one of these idiots write in a newspaper health column that going on Atkins meant cutting down on the amount of vegetables you eat.
BULLSHIIIIITTTTTT!!!
When I was on it I found that I was eating way more greens and other veg than before. My intake of iron and other veg related vitamins and minerals went through the roof! It was the only way to compensate for the loss of my beloved spud! 😀
ticklishbbw said:
It's amazing the things that are very good for you, that would cause horrified looks on many a med professional's face.
I'm a member of other boards that talks (amongst other things) about alternative medicine. I've heard two people, that I can think of now, say that their insulin levels stopped needing intravenous control when they drastically reduced the amount of processed carbohydrates in their diet.
I'm sure that there are some people who this would not work for, or only partially work for. However I'm equally certain that there are those who it does work for. While I'd definately agree with TBBW's cautionary note about not going for any old fad that you think will help your condition, I have to agree with Steve on the point he made.
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i have to concede one point
the modified atkins that i am on, and that we used at the clinic to take patients off insulin injections, will not work for juvienal onset diabetas. kids need sugar, even diabetic children, for proper growth, and development of the nervous system.
steve
the modified atkins that i am on, and that we used at the clinic to take patients off insulin injections, will not work for juvienal onset diabetas. kids need sugar, even diabetic children, for proper growth, and development of the nervous system.
steve
