Jeff Hardy is a loser...

[primetime]

The guy (Slavertickler) doesn't get it. Yes, he does have a right to express his opinion. Doesn't mean it's a valid one though...

It's the fans' fault huh? We picked out certain individuals and MADE THEM become pro wrestlers. We the fans have told them to do death defying stunts for our own amusement. We the fans have told them that you are a slave to Vincent Kennedy McMahon and despite the obvious abuse by this vile, evil human being McMahon, you have to STAY in wrestling because you have no other choice.

Slaver, for crying out loud, you act like the wrestlers are brain-washed and can't make conscious decisions on their own. These guys are athletes. They can do other things. For example, become a professional athlete. Or the Olympics. Or join the corporate world and become rich that way. Naw, all they have, and all they can do in life is be a slave to McMahon.

You ever stop and think that the wrestlers CONTINUE to work in this "slave environment" on their own free will? You ever stop and think that if wrestling is as bad as you make it out to be, these "independent contractors" would have left the business once thier contracts expired and notify some government authorities about the "abuse" that goes on? Don't you think some of them would write books en masse warning all the young kids out there to not become a part of the wrestling industry? Nope. The retired guys keep showing up. Obviously there must be a lot of positives in the wrestling industry for these guys to keep coming around.

Oh I know, you'll point out guys like Bruno Sammartino and Jesse Ventura, but for every one man you point out, there are 10 others who keep coming back to the industry. If working for McMahon was as horrible and dangerous as you keep making it out to be, these people would have been gone forever. Face facts for onnce in your life.

Fact 1: You have not worked for Vince McMahon. Therefore, you don't know a damn thing about what ACTUALLY happens behind the scenes on a daily basis.

Fact 2: Pro wrestling existed before McMahon, and it will keep happening after McMahon. I guess the wrestling industry just keeps moving whether you bitch about it or not.

Fact 3: The WWE continues to entertain the fans around the world whether you like it or not.

Bottom line is this. You can keep flapping your gums all you like. Your opinions are laughable and it amuses us that someone who does not watch the shows on a weekly basis keeps spewing the same rhetoric each and everytime a wrestling thread pops up. Guess what? People will still watch. Notice you are the only one, day after day after every damn day that believes your hype. Bret Hart, a guy you vigorously defended decided to work with McMahon again after all those years. If he can learn how to get over the hate, then maybe there's hope for you. Then again, like we all know including you, Bret Hart was, is, and always will be a better man than you.

So go back to typing your insane posts about the evils of McMahon. Keep flapping your gums about "evil McMahon". Keep showing ridiculous youtube clips from guys who are bored to tears in their lives to talk about McMahon. At the end of the day, the train known as WWE keeps going. Considering you never worked behind the scenes and are not there, all your ranting is circumstantial.

So enjoy the next Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match.....

 

[SlaverTickler]

The guy (Slavertickler) doesn't get it. Yes, he does have a right to express his opinion. Doesn't mean it's a valid one though...

It's the fans' fault huh? We picked out certain individuals and MADE THEM become pro wrestlers. We the fans have told them to do death defying stunts for our own amusement. We the fans have told them that you are a slave to Vincent Kennedy McMahon and despite the obvious abuse by this vile, evil human being McMahon, you have to STAY in wrestling because you have no other choice.

Slaver, for crying out loud, you act like the wrestlers are brain-washed and can't make conscious decisions on their own. These guys are athletes. They can do other things. For example, become a professional athlete. Or the Olympics. Or join the corporate world and become rich that way. Naw, all they have, and all they can do in life is be a slave to McMahon.

You ever stop and think that the wrestlers CONTINUE to work in this "slave environment" on their own free will? You ever stop and think that if wrestling is as bad as you make it out to be, these "independent contractors" would have left the business once thier contracts expired and notify some government authorities about the "abuse" that goes on? Don't you think some of them would write books en masse warning all the young kids out there to not become a part of the wrestling industry? Nope. The retired guys keep showing up. Obviously there must be a lot of positives in the wrestling industry for these guys to keep coming around.

Oh I know, you'll point out guys like Bruno Sammartino and Jesse Ventura, but for every one man you point out, there are 10 others who keep coming back to the industry. If working for McMahon was as horrible and dangerous as you keep making it out to be, these people would have been gone forever. Face facts for onnce in your life.

Fact 1: You have not worked for Vince McMahon. Therefore, you don't know a damn thing about what ACTUALLY happens behind the scenes on a daily basis.

Fact 2: Pro wrestling existed before McMahon, and it will keep happening after McMahon. I guess the wrestling industry just keeps moving whether you bitch about it or not.

Fact 3: The WWE continues to entertain the fans around the world whether you like it or not.

Bottom line is this. You can keep flapping your gums all you like. Your opinions are laughable and it amuses us that someone who does not watch the shows on a weekly basis keeps spewing the same rhetoric each and everytime a wrestling thread pops up. Guess what? People will still watch. Notice you are the only one, day after day after every damn day that believes your hype. Bret Hart, a guy you vigorously defended decided to work with McMahon again after all those years. If he can learn how to get over the hate, then maybe there's hope for you. Then again, like we all know including you, Bret Hart was, is, and always will be a better man than you.

So go back to typing your insane posts about the evils of McMahon. Keep flapping your gums about "evil McMahon". Keep showing youtube clips from guys who are bored to tears in their lives to talk about McMahon. At the end of the day, the train known as WWE keeps going. Considering you never worked behind the scenes and are not there, all your ranting is circumstantial.

So enjoy the next Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match.....

If you feel the guys are risking to much when they do certain matches, change the channel. I grantee you that if the rating & PPV number drop, McMahon will change what he does. If you continue to support it knowing that the guys are needlessly hurting themselves in stupid gimmick matches that will either kill them or force them into early retirement then you are proving me right anyway. In the long run the fan's control what happens or doesn't because Vince books the show based on what draws.

By the way, thanks for bringing up a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with anything I was talking about, further proving your inability to win a debate by actually staying on topic.

ST

 

[SlaverTickler]

That we agree on Slaver. You have a right to your opinion as does everyone here.

The two unfortunate events you mentioned are not related to the silly debate of 'my team is better than yours'. It's silly to debate about something written and predetermined. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Grown adults make their own career choices. No one forces anyone to be a pro wrestler. I'm sure anyone considering signing a contract is well aware of Owen and Benoit. Yet these grown adults are doing it. Making their own choices about their careers given the past history and reputation of the business.

They know about the ladder matches.

They know about the inferno matches.

They know about the drugs, steroids, politics and all the corrupt elements of this position.

They know about Owen. They know about Benoit.

Yet they voluntarily, knowingly and willfully sign to do such a career.

And again I ask you, how is this the fault of the fan?

Simply put, they wouldn't do it, if you wouldn't pay to see it.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver, I'll give you some merit on TLC matches being dangerous. Incorporating objects can be entertaining, especially for the blood-thirsty, backyard wrestling-type fans, but I can also respect a talent's ability to skillfully take a chair-shot to the face. I have a customer who wrestles independently as a hobby in her off-time, and she told me a while back how she busted her nose when a chair-shot wasn't executed properly by someone (the only person she really trusted to hit her with a chair) she was working with. However, I could be just as entertained by lucha libre matches without weapons. Fast-paced, high-flying matches that display wrestling ability in an exciting fashion. It's all about putting butts in seats, though. Matches like that sell. These guys know what they're getting into. People in this industry don't do it because, "Ho hum. I just HATE workin' for the MAN, but gosh darn it, I need a paycheck, and professional wrestling is all I've got!" Well, that MIGHT be true for Hulk Hogan, and maybe Ric Flair... I dunno. Seriously, though, they do it because they love the business. A union would probably be a good idea, though.

Skillful and Chair shot have no business in the same sentence. A chair shot should be used in the same way a villain uses the ropes for leverage on a pin fall or using a submission, as a visual aid to show the bad guy is doing something bad. Their is not art in building an entire match around the use of a chair, or even a table. A one on one ladder match isn't so bad, because you can control what you do with the ladder bit more. Table matches are simple stupid, putting a guy through a table is a dumb way to win a match let along a title, and I already explained what I thought of the use of chairs. WWE has at least band the "Chair Shot to the Head" it only took a guy with dementia (caused by massive constitutions and brain damage) killing his wife and kid to get them to do it... WINNING!

Thanks you for making my point for me with your comment

"Matches like that sell."

, that's what I am talking about when I say the fans have an accountability. If they didn't support it, the WWE wouldn't do it.

 

[Heeko]

Simply put, they wouldn't do it, if you wouldn't pay to see it.

Maybe the fans wouldn't pay to see it, unless the performers were willing to do it and prove they are the best in the world at what they do. Freedom still exists last time I checked. No one is forcing them at gunpoint to be pro wrestlers. They know the risks of the business when they sign on the dotted line.

To put the blame on fans only proves lack of responsibility and free will thinking on the part of the wrestlers. Grown adult wrestlers who can make their own decisions.

Next thing you'll be blaming baseball fans for Buster Posey's broken leg because they bought the ticket which forced him to play baseball for a paycheck.

 

[primetime]

If you feel the guys are risking to much when they do certain matches, change the channel. I grantee you that if the rating & PPV number drop, McMahon will change what he does. If you continue to support it knowing that the guys are needlessly hurting themselves in stupid gimmick matches that will either kill them or force them into early retirement then you are proving me right anyway. In the long run the fan's control what happens or doesn't because Vince books the show based on what draws.

By the way, thanks for bringing up a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with anything I was talking about, further proving your inability to win a debate by actually staying on topic.

ST

No, you delusional human being. It doesn't matter what the hell you are talking about, it is always the same thing. Vince evil. Fans of WWE evil. Slaver right. Or should I write is as "Slaver rite" since you can't spell to save your life?

Dude, no one agrees with you. It is extremely rare if you ever make a valid point. Every post you make bad mouths McMahon and the WWE. Since you didn't read what I wrote, I AM on topic. Did you not see where I wrote these guys are willing to do these gimmick matches? Yeah fans pay to see it, but it's not like they went to Vince McMahon and said, "Give us TLC matches or we leave forever! It doesn't matter if the wrestlers want to actually do it or not!"

The point I am making is that these wrestlers make a CONSCIOUS decision to remain in the business. Why on Earth would they do that if McMahon is "abusing" them? You know we are all right. You just hate McMahon so much you don't give a damn about logic.

Tell me Slaver, have you ever worked for Vince McMahon?

 

[Deleted member 66627]

lolol. Biggest match ever?

No.

TNA was a shit-stain in Vinny Mac's drawers before it ever became popular. And Hardy was ridin' the wave with a steady following of fans and much Higher Profile matches than that one with Sting.

As far as being drunk ?


C'mon.. :

<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCbU4-MrbkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCbU4-MrbkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="390" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>​

-- Hardy just don't know how t' hold his drink. 😉

 

[SlaverTickler]

No, you delusional human being. It doesn't matter what the hell you are talking about, it is always the same thing. Vince evil. Fans of WWE evil. Slaver right. Or should I write is as "Slaver rite" since you can't spell to save your life?

Dude, no one agrees with you. It is extremely rare if you ever make a valid point. Every post you make bad mouths McMahon and the WWE. Since you didn't read what I wrote, I AM on topic. Did you not see where I wrote these guys are willing to do these gimmick matches? Yeah fans pay to see it, but it's not like they went to Vince McMahon and said, "Give us TLC matches or we leave forever! It doesn't matter if the wrestlers want to actually do it or not!"

The point I am making is that these wrestlers make a CONSCIOUS decision to remain in the business. Why on Earth would they do that if McMahon is "abusing" them? You know we are all right. You just hate McMahon so much you don't give a damn about logic.

Tell me Slaver, have you ever worked for Vince McMahon?

If the fan's didn't support it, Vince wouldn't book it.

By the way, I haven't seen you comment on the Jim Cornette interview I posted the other day. It's from back when he was running OVW. He doesn't like dives off the balcony, or allot of other stupid shit guys are doing. He did work for McMahon, and McMahon cheated him out of money, so he won't work for him again.

To answer you question (I wasn't going to, but I will). No I've never worked for Vince McMahon, I've also never been dropped 80 feet because of my Employers negligence in the work place. My bosses have always paid me on time, and unlike allot of WWE/McMahon employees I am almost 40 and still alive. I'm not in a wheel chair, or walking hunched over like Quasimodo. My employers also paid into my Social Insurance witch Vince McMahon never does, as the WWE claims that the wrestlers are "independent contractors" so he doesn't have to. Like the old saying goes Prime Time, some people work in the house, other people work in the field, so why don't you just run on back to the house, and get Mister McMahon his pipe and slippers. Those of us in the field have to do the real work that keeps the house running.

ST

 

[SlaverTickler]

lolol. Biggest match ever?

No.

TNA was a shit-stain in Vinny Mac's drawers before it ever became popular. And Hardy was ridin' the wave with a steady following of fans and much Higher Profile matches than that one with Sting.

As far as being drunk ?


C'mon.. :

<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCbU4-MrbkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/YCbU4-MrbkE?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="390" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>​

-- Hardy just don't know how t' hold his drink. 😉

This guy is another thing, Austin, the guy beat up his wife and the fan's still love him. Thanks for the help Crystal, it just proves my point even more.

 

[SlaverTickler]

The idea of a work is that you can execute a move with some type of reasonable degree of certainty that your not going to injure yourself or your opponent.
-Jim Cornette (Shoot Interviews).

Pretty hard to follow that rule in a TLC match, their for it's wrong to have TLC matches. However, as long as the FANS support it, then they will continue to do it.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Oh here is another thing, Martha Hart, not so long ago, had to sue the WWE for back royalties they owed her for using footage of her husband on WWE DVDs. Now isn't that wonderful, the company kills her husband with their negligence, and then they try to cheat her out of royalty money. Also she has demanded that they stop using his footage in their products. Guess what, Jimmy Cornette is on her side in this.

<object width="560" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dOkZy5Bj8W4?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dOkZy5Bj8W4?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="349" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

<object width="560" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/phn-RrXrEx0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/phn-RrXrEx0?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="349" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

So ya, sounds like this is an industry everybody should be supporting, cause nothing says humane like ripping off a widow who's husband you killed. I seems that while public opinion may be on your side Prime Time, the facts about working for the WWE seem to be on mine. I will take facts over opinion any day. Now if you'll excuse I will watch The Hart Foundation vs The British Bulldogs on DVD, because both of those teams are were better on their worst then the Hardy Boy's and Dudley Boyz were on their best.

 

[AphxA]

Kevin nash said it best when he signed back with the wwe. " I want to retire for a company where the seats are filled each night." Tna was good back in the day when aj styles and the fallen angel christopher daniels were having epic matches. Now its a low budget wcw. I hope tna burns. Tna uses fake crowd cheers. ITs a fact!! jeff hardy go back to wwe, you may never get a title shot but at least you can pay your rent.

 

[SlaverTickler]

said it best when he signed back with the wwe. " I want to retire for a company where the seats are filled each night." Tna was good back in the day when aj styles and the fallen angel christopher daniels were having epic matches. Now its a low budget wcw. I hope tna burns. Tna uses fake crowd cheers. ITs a fact!! jeff hardy go back to wwe, you may never get a title shot but at least you can pay your rent.

I have a new flash, Kevin Nash is a ***** who will work where ever he is paid the most. If ROH offered him more money then the WWE he could care less if their was 1,000 people in the seats or 100, or even just 10, as long as he got his paycheck on time that's all he ever cared about. That's why he left WCW to work for Vince (and become the lowest drawing world champion of all time) and then went back to WCW to get more money from Turner. So basically Kevin Nash is full of shit.

As for TNA, it's like WCW with out the 84 weeks of glory. They should have kept their product based on ring work, and stayed happy being Number 2. There is allot of money to be made if you except being number 2. Hiring a guy like Bischoff who only cares about "beating Vince" is a big mistake. The person running the show should be dedicated to putting on the best show they can with the talent that they have. TNA still has some talented guys, and with Panda Energy backing it, assuming they still are, it could still be something great. Unfortunately that won't happen with the people who are running it. I don't want to see any wrestling companies go out of business, because I don't want to see people out of work, I just want to see the industry cleaned up, and made as safe as reasonably possible.

 

[ShiningIce]

Like the old saying goes Prime Time, some people work in the house, other people work in the field, so why don't you just run on back to the house, and get Mister McMahon his pipe and slippers. Those of us in the field have to do the real work that keeps the house running.

Did you just call him a fucking house slave??? Say that to his face next time.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Did you just call him a fucking house slave??? Say that to his face next time.

I said some of us (meaning of all people) work in the house, while others (also meaning of all people) work in the fields. PT keeps giving me the impretion that he is some executive type, a suite, the guy in the office (or House). I am a labor guy, be it in the Factory, the Trades, or as a Secruity Guard (I've been in all 3). For me the worker's rights is paramount to any profit, to him profit is all the matter. If I am wrong then so be it, but the way he seems to thinks it's ok to make a profit at the coast of the worker is pretty disgusting.

If he's offended he can away go to the Mods, maybe he should consider that his comments have caused me to have that opinion of him before he does. Believe it or not I used to like the guy, now, I wouldn't want to wait for the bus next to him.

ST

 

[ShiningIce]

Well hopefully he won't take it personally.

 

[primetime]

Hey Shining, I don't take what he said personal. Everyone already knows what type of person Slaver is, so it only figures something like that would come from him.

To top it off, this guy wants to insult people but he can't figure out how to spell....If I'm going to be insulted, I want to be insulted by someone with an education higher than a two year old...

Slaver..here's your problem. You're blinded by rage and it has made you ignorant. Let's look at simple facts.

Fact 1: If everythign was bad, wrestlers would leave in droves. They would write all kinds of books about how McMahon "made" them do things they didn't really want to do.

Fact 2: Even all the people you use to discredit Vince usually end up working with him again. Did you ever stop and think, WHY ON PLANET EARTH WOULD they work for Vince again? For example, Bret Hart. You bring up Jesse Ventura. Gee, Jesse has made guest appearances on RAW within recent years, which was years after he was governor of Minnesota. Why would Jesse show up on RAW? I can promise you that if Vince called Jim Cornette and said he needs his help, better believe Cornette will show up with tennis racket and all.

Fact 3: You have NEVER worked for Vince McMahon. Everything you state about what is really happening is pure speculation. The picture you paint is McMahon is holding these people against their will and forcing them to do things they don't want to do. If that is true, why do they stick around and RENEW their contracts?

You are just flapping your gums about stuff you do not have first hand knowledge of. You act like you're a wrestling expert. You're not. Stop living in fantasy land. You do not know the truth. How can you? You DON'T WORK THERE. Get that through that thick concrete skull.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver..here's your problem. You're blinded by rage and it has made you ignorant. Let's look at simple facts.

Fact 1: If everythign was bad, wrestlers would leave in droves. They would write all kinds of books about how McMahon "made" them do things they didn't really want to do.

Fact 2: Even all the people you use to discredit Vince usually end up working with him again. Did you ever stop and think, WHY ON PLANET EARTH WOULD they work for Vince again? For example, Bret Hart. You bring up Jesse Ventura. Gee, Jesse has made guest appearances on RAW within recent years, which was years after he was governor of Minnesota. Why would Jesse show up on RAW? I can promise you that if Vince called Jim Cornette and said he needs his help, better believe Cornette will show up with tennis racket and all.

Fact 3: You have NEVER worked for Vince McMahon. Everything you state about what is really happening is pure speculation. The picture you paint is McMahon is holding these people against their will and forcing them to do things they don't want to do. If that is true, why do they stick around and RENEW their contracts?

You are just flapping your gums about stuff you do not have first hand knowledge of. You act like you're a wrestling expert. You're not. Stop living in fantasy land. You do not know the truth. How can you? You DON'T WORK THERE. Get that through that thick concrete skull.

1) Where are the wrestlers going to go to make money in their chosen profession? Vince pretty much has a monopoly on pro wrestling, and just because people want to work in that business, doesn't make it ok for their employer (McMahon or otherwise) to demand the ridiculous from them.

2) I can't understand why Jesse works for him, he must be hard up for cash. Bret's reasons maybe he feels he can help out the family that's there, still, I wouldn't work for a company who's negligence killed a member of my family. Cornette has sworn off ever working for Vince based on the fact that he's cheated him out of money, and so far he hasn't been back. Maybe he hasn't been asked, but he seems to be happy helping run Ring of Honor.

3) I don't need to work for a guy to see the repercussions of what happens when you do. Owen Hart's death, the death a Lance Cade (at 29) the profiteering from Eddies Guerrero's death, the disappearance of Chris Benoit from everything since his death (are you picking up on a theme). You want to give Vince all this praise for all what's good in the business, ok do that, but then he also has to face the other side of the sword, that being all that's wrong with it as well. The fact that if you aren't juicing you aren't advancing, if you get injured you better work anyway, because you'll lose the spot you earned if you don't. The fact that there have been more deaths in pro wrestling then in any other form of sport or entertainment, and that most of them have been WWE employees. That their are no safety standards in pro wrestling, and that's why the Benoit tragedy happened in the first place. Most importantly, there is no reason for "Professional Play Fighters" to be using steroids, or on pain pills (let along addicted to them). Not that you care, so long as you are entertained.

To this day I'm still not exactly sure what Vince supposedly did to make the business better for anybody other then himself. Guys made plenty of money before he took over. They worked in the big arenas (MSG, Boston Gardens, Marple Leaf Gardens, to name 3) before he came along. If a guy was losing his appeal in one territory he could go to work for another. Now nobody has any choice but to work for Vince if they want to make the big money, and even working for him doesn't mean you'll make more then 40 grand a year... I made more then that working as a UNION painter.

You say I am blinded by rage, but I'm not even upset. You on the other hand can't see past the two McMahon ass cheeks that are blocking your vision. However what it really comes down to are the fan's (like yourself) who continue to support the company in one way or another. You've said that you aren't even happy with the current product the WWE puts out, so why are you supporting a company that isn't giving you what you want? Would you eat at a restaurant if the cooking was bad? Would you buy food from a store if it was always rotten, or the milk was always sour? Of course not, so why do you continue to support a company that gives you a bad product when it's wrestling? It's almost like you are suffering from a consumer's version of Battered Wife Syndrome, and your Vince's bitch. The fans determine what the WWE does, so as long as you are giving him ratings, ordering PPV's or buying merchandise, he assumes that you must like what he's doing, because an intelligent person would change the channel if they didn't.

Now here is your ball, make like Steve "Wife Beater" Austin, go home. Wait for the next memorial show so you can pretend like you care.
ST

PS

My spelling been aces in this thread (my grammar is questionable but I am pretty sure everything's been spelled right). However, since you brought it up, you should know it is spelled "everything" not "everythign". Maybe you should consult that 4th grader you are always recommending to me.

 

[primetime]

1) Where are the wrestlers going to go to make money in their chosen profession? Vince pretty much has a monopoly on pro wrestling, and just because people want to work in that business, doesn't make it ok for their employer (McMahon or otherwise) to demand the ridiculous from them.

2) I can't understand why Jesse works for him, he must be hard up for cash. Bret's reasons maybe he feels he can help out the family that's there, still, I wouldn't work for a company who's negligence killed a member of my family. Cornette has sworn off ever working for Vince based on the fact that he's cheated him out of money, and so far he hasn't been back. Maybe he hasn't been asked, but he seems to be happy helping run Ring of Honor.

3) I don't need to work for a guy to see the repercussions of what happens when you do. Owen Hart's death, the death a Lance Cade (at 29) the profiteering from Eddies Guerrero's death, the disappearance of Chris Benoit from everything since his death (are you picking up on a theme). You want to give Vince all this praise for all what's good in the business, ok do that, but then he also has to face the other side of the sword, that being all that's wrong with it as well. The fact that if you aren't juicing you aren't advancing, if you get injured you better work anyway, because you'll lose the spot you earned if you don't. The fact that there have been more deaths in pro wrestling then in any other form of sport or entertainment, and that most of them have been WWE employees. That their are no safety standards in pro wrestling, and that's why the Benoit tragedy happened in the first place. Most importantly, there is no reason for "Professional Play Fighters" to be using steroids, or on pain pills (let along addicted to them). Not that you care, so long as you are entertained.

To this day I'm still not exactly sure what Vince supposedly did to make the business better for anybody other then himself. Guys made plenty of money before he took over. They worked in the big arenas (MSG, Boston Gardens, Marple Leaf Gardens, to name 3) before he came along. If a guy was losing his appeal in one territory he could go to work for another. Now nobody has any choice but to work for Vince if they want to make the big money, and even working for him doesn't mean you'll make more then 40 grand a year... I made more then that working as a UNION painter.

You say I am blinded by rage, but I'm not even upset. You on the other hand can't see past the two McMahon ass cheeks that are blocking your vision. However what it really comes down to are the fan's (like yourself) who continue to support the company in one way or another. You've said that you aren't even happy with the current product the WWE puts out, so why are you supporting a company that isn't giving you what you want? Would you eat at a restaurant if the cooking was bad? Would you buy food from a store if it was always rotten, or the milk was always sour? Of course not, so why do you continue to support a company that gives you a bad product when it's wrestling? It's almost like you are suffering from a consumer's version of Battered Wife Syndrome, and your Vince's bitch. The fans determine what the WWE does, so as long as you are giving him ratings, ordering PPV's or buying merchandise, he assumes that you must like what he's doing, because an intelligent person would change the channel if they didn't.

Now here is your ball, make like Steve "Wife Beater" Austin, go home. Wait for the next memorial show so you can pretend like you care.
ST

PS

My spelling been aces in this thread (my grammar is questionable but I am pretty sure everything's been spelled right). However, since you brought it up, you should know it is spelled "everything" not "everythign". Maybe you should consult that 4th grader you are always recommending to me.

Sigh..... I don't know if you're hard headed, or just like to cause controversy. Do you even get what I am trying to say? You are blathering away about the injustices McMahon is doing to his employees, but you have absolute no proof. Ever stop and think that every single corporation out there will have some former employees bad mouth the company? Did you ever stop and think that these "unions" you talk about may not prevent some of the stuff you are rambling about?

Did you ever stop and think that drug/steroid use is not just a WWE problem? You see that kind of stuff throughout sports across the freakin globe. Do fans like big guys wrestling? Sure they do. But what they really want to see are performers entertaining them. Period. Steve Austin is not exactly the largest guy around, but he drew in tons of fans. He was a household name. Did he have to resort to being "buff" in order to get his career over? Did HBK? Did Bret Hart? No.

The tragedies of the wrestlers who died are just that. Tragedies. What did Vince do to make those wrestlers do the things they did? Vince didn't tell them to abuse alcohol or drugs. Vince didn't tell them to do those things. Every person has their own demons. It is not the responsibility of Vince McMahon or any CEO of a major corporation to make sure each and every employee are not abusing themselves in their PERSONAL lives. In the NFL, athletes are expected to be physically ready for the demands of the sport. The NFL DOES NOT encourage drug use. In the WWE, having a physically strong body also helps with the rigors of their craft. But nowadays, the WWE does not encourage drug use. As for Eddie Guerrero, his personal demons started BEFORE he came to the WWE. How did Vince start those demons?

You have to be amazingly oblivious to wrestling if you think that guys were making just as much money before McMahon's WWF/E and today's game. Seriously? Are you kidding me? Why do you think wrestlers from the 80's LOVED being on a wrestling card with Hulk Hogan? Because their payouts will be bigger! In today's world, the WWE is an international giant. They are making far more money now than they did back in the pre-McMahon era. You actually wrote that?

To answer your question about where wrestlers would go... Gee, guys/gals want to be a professional wrestler. Their instructors have told them what life will be like on the road, away from their families, and the physical demands of the job. Guess what, the students STILL OPT TO DO THE JOB. They could bow out before they get in. Why do you think all of us have been saying these wrestlers are WILLING participants. I guess you haven't been watching, but when was the last time they truly had "hardcore" matches? WWE is PG now.

If Jesse Ventura can show up for RAW appearances, it sure blows your argument out of the water about him being this behind the scenes hero huh? If he detested McMahon, why on this planet would he show up for Vince? Next time, pick another person. Jesse Ventura has his opinions, but at the end of the day, he still has some love for the business.

You are barking up the wrong tree. You have absolutely no idea on what really happens behind the scenes. I think people would take you more seriously if you actually WORKED in the industry. You go around and insult us fans, and you have ZERO proof about McMahon and how things are actually run in the WWE. Grow up and get a freakin brain. Why should anyone believe what you say? Jesse Ventura, despite his ramblings about McMahon has worked for Vince again. Bret Hart, your hero, your idol, worked for Vince again. Your "evidence" of guys, have worked for Vince again. Makes you look silly doesn't it? But oh no, we are all supposed to believe some guy behind a computer on a tickling forum with ZERO experience in the wrestling industry. Give me a break. Maybe you should pull your head out from your own buttcheeks and get a clue.

As for my typo. It happens. You miss entire words. For example, "which" was spelled "witch" by you. "Right" was spelled "rite". I had a typo, what's your excuse? Oh I forgot, your excuse is simply being Slavertickler.

 

[Heeko]

You are barking up the wrong tree. You have absolutely no idea on what really happens behind the scenes. I think people would take you more seriously if you actually WORKED in the industry. You go around and insult us fans, and you have ZERO proof about McMahon and how things are actually run in the WWE. Grow up and get a freakin brain.

C'mon Prime. You know the most accurate and reliable sources in the world are hacked up, edited and taken out of context youtube clips. Everyone knows that.

As for my typo. It happens. You miss entire words. For example, "which" was spelled "witch" by you. "Right" was spelled "rite". I had a typo, what's your excuse? Oh I forgot, your excuse is simply being Slavertickler.

How's the GED coming along Slaver? Because if you actually graduated school the teachers who passed you make the "Montreal screw job" look like a picnic. As the nWo would say, they screwed you over.. "For Life".

 

[SlaverTickler]

C'mon Prime. You know the most accurate and reliable sources in the world are hacked up, edited and taken out of context youtube clips. Everyone knows that.

How's the GED coming along Slaver? Because if you actually graduated school the teachers who passed you make the "Montreal screw job" look like a picnic. As the nWo would say, they screwed you over.. "For Life".

As a great Sell Out once said:

It's all about mind over matter, I don't mind because you don't matter.
-Bret Hart

 

[SlaverTickler]

Sigh..... I don't know if you're hard headed, or just like to cause controversy. Do you even get what I am trying to say? You are blathering away about the injustices McMahon is doing to his employees, but you have absolute no proof. Ever stop and think that every single corporation out there will have some former employees bad mouth the company? Did you ever stop and think that these "unions" you talk about may not prevent some of the stuff you are rambling about?

Did you ever stop and think that drug/steroid use is not just a WWE problem? You see that kind of stuff throughout sports across the freakin globe. Do fans like big guys wrestling? Sure they do. But what they really want to see are performers entertaining them. Period. Steve Austin is not exactly the largest guy around, but he drew in tons of fans. He was a household name. Did he have to resort to being "buff" in order to get his career over? Did HBK? Did Bret Hart? No.

The tragedies of the wrestlers who died are just that. Tragedies. What did Vince do to make those wrestlers do the things they did? Vince didn't tell them to abuse alcohol or drugs. Vince didn't tell them to do those things. Every person has their own demons. It is not the responsibility of Vince McMahon or any CEO of a major corporation to make sure each and every employee are not abusing themselves in their PERSONAL lives. In the NFL, athletes are expected to be physically ready for the demands of the sport. The NFL DOES NOT encourage drug use. In the WWE, having a physically strong body also helps with the rigors of their craft. But nowadays, the WWE does not encourage drug use. As for Eddie Guerrero, his personal demons started BEFORE he came to the WWE. How did Vince start those demons?

You have to be amazingly oblivious to wrestling if you think that guys were making just as much money before McMahon's WWF/E and today's game. Seriously? Are you kidding me? Why do you think wrestlers from the 80's LOVED being on a wrestling card with Hulk Hogan? Because their payouts will be bigger! In today's world, the WWE is an international giant. They are making far more money now than they did back in the pre-McMahon era. You actually wrote that?

To answer your question about where wrestlers would go... Gee, guys/gals want to be a professional wrestler. Their instructors have told them what life will be like on the road, away from their families, and the physical demands of the job. Guess what, the students STILL OPT TO DO THE JOB. They could bow out before they get in. Why do you think all of us have been saying these wrestlers are WILLING participants. I guess you haven't been watching, but when was the last time they truly had "hardcore" matches? WWE is PG now.

If Jesse Ventura can show up for RAW appearances, it sure blows your argument out of the water about him being this behind the scenes hero huh? If he detested McMahon, why on this planet would he show up for Vince? Next time, pick another person. Jesse Ventura has his opinions, but at the end of the day, he still has some love for the business.

You are barking up the wrong tree. You have absolutely no idea on what really happens behind the scenes. I think people would take you more seriously if you actually WORKED in the industry. You go around and insult us fans, and you have ZERO proof about McMahon and how things are actually run in the WWE. Grow up and get a freakin brain. Why should anyone believe what you say? Jesse Ventura, despite his ramblings about McMahon has worked for Vince again. Bret Hart, your hero, your idol, worked for Vince again. Your "evidence" of guys, have worked for Vince again. Makes you look silly doesn't it? But oh no, we are all supposed to believe some guy behind a computer on a tickling forum with ZERO experience in the wrestling industry. Give me a break. Maybe you should pull your head out from your own buttcheeks and get a clue.

As for my typo. It happens. You miss entire words. For example, "which" was spelled "witch" by you. "Right" was spelled "rite". I had a typo, what's your excuse? Oh I forgot, your excuse is simply being Slavertickler.

Well I have to admit it is a little hard to understand what you're saying sometimes, you know, having your tongue so far up Vince's ass and all, but from what I usually get from it is that you are a selfish person who is only interested in his own entertainment with know concern for the well being of those provide it for you. Every major corporation isn't professionalism wrestling, every major corporation doesn't have monopoly on an industry... in fact I believe their are laws that are supposed to prevent that, but for some reason pro wrestling seems to escape that. It is a proven fact that in well managed union environments Serious Injury and Death are cut down to nearly a 3rd, and I know this to be true because my father is a union rep, and it is his job to know things like that. So if the Pro Wrestling Industry was Unionized, and assuming the union was run legitimately, then their is no doubt in my mind that death and serious injury would be cut down. Especially if Vince has to pay guys as much a 80% of their wage if they had to miss work due to injuries sustained on the job. Steroid testing would be weekly, and nobody would be exempt (unlike the current "Wellness Policy"), Hard Core Matches and your beloved TLC PPV would disappear right quick, and Benoit would have been fined (by the Union) and suspended (by McMahon) for failing to properly protect himself during a match.

The fact that pro sports across the globe would almost be relevant if it wasn't for 3 things. 1) Pro Wrestling isn't a sport, it's a physically demanding form of Performance Art, 2) Steroid use in sports happened because Super Star Billy Graham, admittedly, brought Steroids into pro wrestling and it has since crossed over into the real stuff. 3) I've never been a fan of Baseball, Basketball or Football, but as somebody who is, maybe you should be concerned about what those guys are. Then again concern isn't big on your list of emotions.

Truckers, construction workers, Factory Employers. For years, and years their employers wrote off that the deaths of their employees were just unfortunate accidents/tragedies. Did you you know that when you sign with the WWE it's in your contract that all legal matters must be handled in a Connecticut State Court? Do you know why? Probably not because you don't know what you are talking about. As it turns out, under Connecticut Law people don't have to pay out for Negligence Law Suits. That's because a guy named Charles Austin was hurt during a match with the Rockers, sued, and won a case against Marty, Shawn and Titan Sports. After that Vince started putting a clause in wrestler contract that all legal matter had to be settled in Connecticut so he wouldn't have to pay out for Negligence. I know about this because when Martha Hart was suing McMahon his legal team try to pull that shit, but her lawyers claimed his death made that clause void and that the trial would have to be held in Kansas City Louisiana. So, don't ever accuse me of not knowing my shit, cause when it comes to this topic I have more game then 99% of you. I also believe you pal Tickle Fiend will back me on this one, although the type of court case may be wrong, the clause in some form does exist for the reason I've stated.

Oh by the way, I almost forgot. That thing about Bret and Shawn not using steroids, and being at the top. If I remember right that was during what they call the "Lean Years", when Vince was trying to change the image of the WWF and push the smaller, more skilled performers. It worked while Bret was champion, but then when Shawn won the belt most people jumped over to WCW where the Turner allowed his wrestler to use steroids, or didn't know, or just didn't care. He was just a fan more then a promoter. However, when push came to shove, Vince caved and brought back the big juiced guys (or in Austin's case sauced as well). fortunately for me Nitro aired on Tuesday or Wednesday in Canada, so I could watch both, but that was before if saw the light and began Crowing.

There have been lots of industries that were dangerous but because people loved being in it they still did it, that doesn't excuse employer Negligence,or the callous attitudes. Some of what Jesse Ventura says is opinion, sure, but allot of what he says in based in fact. Jesse was the guy who tried to start a Union just prior to WrestleMania 2, and it was your buddy Hulk Hogan who ratted him out for it. He doesn't like how the business is run, but at the same time he has never claimed he wouldn't do business with McMahon again. Since we are on the topic of Insiders, I still haven't heard you defend the WWE for allegedly (yes allegedly) ripping off Owen's widow for residuals for using his image on DVDs, and failing to respect her request to not use footage of Owen anymore. After all their Negligence killed the man, the least they could do is respect his wife's requests... oh wait, these are the McMahon's they don't respect anything, even basic human standards of morality. I guess you just don't have the guts, either that or you know in whatever passes for your heart that it's true.

I am not claiming guys made as much money, but they still did well for themselves. The only thing good about being on a card with Hogan was the money, because 90% of the guys Hogan worked with were pretty much through after he beat them. Even Andre all but fell into obscurity after Summer Slam 89. The only person Hogan was good at making was Hogan, and he never did anything to help anybody he didn't have under his thumb (sort of like another blond with a big nose... woooo!). When Vince wiped out the territories he brought about the begining of the end for Professional Wrestling, he turned it from a fun thing to do on a Saturday Night to a dog he dog, nut cutters paradise. Things were far better when guys had options, now you either work for Vince, or starve in a smaller company. The only person who really profited from what McMahon did was McMahon.

What can I say, Bret wasn't the man I thought he was. He sold out his brother like a Judas, he's no different his sisters Ellie and Diane who sold out Owen by faxing notes their mother had regarding the case they had against the WWE to Vince in hopes of getting their husbands work. Bret betrayed everything he claimed he believed in so he could be in the spot light again, and make some money in the process. Now I have no bitch against him for wanting to make money, or be in the spotlight, but to sell out your dead brothers memory... it's immoral. No wonder Martha has nothing to do with the rest of that family, from the sounds of things Owen, Stu, and Helen were the only good ones out of the entire crop.

I might not know Right, from Rite, but I do know whats right from whats wrong, to bad you can't say the same.

ST

 

[primetime]

Well I have to admit it is a little hard to understand what you're saying sometimes, you know, having your tongue so far up Vince's ass and all, but from what I usually get from it is that you are a selfish person who is only interested in his own entertainment with know concern for the well being of those provide it for you. Every major corporation isn't professionalism wrestling, every major corporation doesn't have monopoly on an industry... in fact I believe their are laws that are supposed to prevent that, but for some reason pro wrestling seems to escape that. It is a proven fact that in well managed union environments Serious Injury and Death are cut down to nearly a 3rd, and I know this to be true because my father is a union rep, and it is his job to know things like that. So if the Pro Wrestling Industry was Unionized, and assuming the union was run legitimately, then their is no doubt in my mind that death and serious injury would be cut down. Especially if Vince has to pay guys as much a 80% of their wage if they had to miss work due to injuries sustained on the job. Steroid testing would be weekly, and nobody would be exempt (unlike the current "Wellness Policy"), Hard Core Matches and your beloved TLC PPV would disappear right quick, and Benoit would have been fined (by the Union) and suspended (by McMahon) for failing to properly protect himself during a match.

The fact that pro sports across the globe would almost be relevant if it wasn't for 3 things. 1) Pro Wrestling isn't a sport, it's a physically demanding form of Performance Art, 2) Steroid use in sports happened because Super Star Billy Graham, admittedly, brought Steroids into pro wrestling and it has since crossed over into the real stuff. 3) I've never been a fan of Baseball, Basketball or Football, but as somebody who is, maybe you should be concerned about what those guys are. Then again concern isn't big on your list of emotions.

Truckers, construction workers, Factory Employers. For years, and years their employers wrote off that the deaths of their employees were just unfortunate accidents/tragedies. Did you you know that when you sign with the WWE it's in your contract that all legal matters must be handled in a Connecticut State Court? Do you know why? Probably not because you don't know what you are talking about. As it turns out, under Connecticut Law people don't have to pay out for Negligence Law Suits. That's because a guy named Charles Austin was hurt during a match with the Rockers, sued, and won a case against Marty, Shawn and Titan Sports. After that Vince started putting a clause in wrestler contract that all legal matter had to be settled in Connecticut so he wouldn't have to pay out for Negligence. I know about this because when Martha Hart was suing McMahon his legal team try to pull that shit, but her lawyers claimed his death made that clause void and that the trial would have to be held in Kansas City Louisiana. So, don't ever accuse me of not knowing my shit, cause when it comes to this topic I have more game then 99% of you. I also believe you pal Tickle Fiend will back me on this one, although the type of court case may be wrong, the clause in some form does exist for the reason I've stated.

Oh by the way, I almost forgot. That thing about Bret and Shawn not using steroids, and being at the top. If I remember right that was during what they call the "Lean Years", when Vince was trying to change the image of the WWF and push the smaller, more skilled performers. It worked while Bret was champion, but then when Shawn won the belt most people jumped over to WCW where the Turner allowed his wrestler to use steroids, or didn't know, or just didn't care. He was just a fan more then a promoter. However, when push came to shove, Vince caved and brought back the big juiced guys (or in Austin's case sauced as well). fortunately for me Nitro aired on Tuesday or Wednesday in Canada, so I could watch both, but that was before if saw the light and began Crowing.

There have been lots of industries that were dangerous but because people loved being in it they still did it, that doesn't excuse employer Negligence,or the callous attitudes. Some of what Jesse Ventura says is opinion, sure, but allot of what he says in based in fact. Jesse was the guy who tried to start a Union just prior to WrestleMania 2, and it was your buddy Hulk Hogan who ratted him out for it. He doesn't like how the business is run, but at the same time he has never claimed he wouldn't do business with McMahon again. Since we are on the topic of Insiders, I still haven't heard you defend the WWE for allegedly (yes allegedly) ripping off Owen's widow for residuals for using his image on DVDs, and failing to respect her request to not use footage of Owen anymore. After all their Negligence killed the man, the least they could do is respect his wife's requests... oh wait, these are the McMahon's they don't respect anything, even basic human standards of morality. I guess you just don't have the guts, either that or you know in whatever passes for your heart that it's true.

I am not claiming guys made as much money, but they still did well for themselves. The only thing good about being on a card with Hogan was the money, because 90% of the guys Hogan worked with were pretty much through after he beat them. Even Andre all but fell into obscurity after Summer Slam 89. The only person Hogan was good at making was Hogan, and he never did anything to help anybody he didn't have under his thumb (sort of like another blond with a big nose... woooo!). When Vince wiped out the territories he brought about the begining of the end for Professional Wrestling, he turned it from a fun thing to do on a Saturday Night to a dog he dog, nut cutters paradise. Things were far better when guys had options, now you either work for Vince, or starve in a smaller company. The only person who really profited from what McMahon did was McMahon.

What can I say, Bret wasn't the man I thought he was. He sold out his brother like a Judas, he's no different his sisters Ellie and Diane who sold out Owen by faxing notes their mother had regarding the case they had against the WWE to Vince in hopes of getting their husbands work. Bret betrayed everything he claimed he believed in so he could be in the spot light again, and make some money in the process. Now I have no bitch against him for wanting to make money, or be in the spotlight, but to sell out your dead brothers memory... it's immoral. No wonder Martha has nothing to do with the rest of that family, from the sounds of things Owen, Stu, and Helen were the only good ones out of the entire crop.

I might not know Right, from Rite, but I do know whats right from whats wrong, to bad you can't say the same.

ST

One of these days, your brain will actually kick in and make sense. Again, I ask you. Why should we believe you? You have ZERO experience working in the industry, but yet you are comparing unions of other entities to what a union would be like in wrestling. Do you honestly believe there are ZERO safety standards in wrestling? You are making a fool out of yourself again. Not that I should be surprised.

You act like Vince invented the whole "TLC" matches. Gee, what was Paul Heyman doing in the original ECW? Remember Mick Foley's barbed wire matches? Where did they originate? With McMahon? Crazy, out of this world matches, have been occuring forever, but yet you act like Vince McMahon thought of the whole "stuntman" mentality matches. How come you are not screaming about those promoters putting their wrestlers in harm's way? Jesse couldn't get a union started, but what prevented WCW, AWA, ECW, etc, from establishing their own union? WWE by the way is NOT a monopoly for crying out loud. In order to be a monopoly, you have to be the ONLY organization. True or False, there's another wrestling organization out there?

By the way, I never realized there was place called Kansas City, Louisiana. Silly me, I know all 50 States of the US and I never heard of such a location. Yet, I am supposed to believe what you say.....It's not even a spelling error too. Yeah, you really know your shit...

Oh, silly me. Superstar Billy Graham is the ORIGINAL reason how steroids got into professional sports such as football, basketball, and baseball. Never mind the fact illegal performance drugs have been used by athletes for years before that. yeah, Billy Graham is the reason for all the steroid abuse in sports across the world. Dude, you really need to quit.

It really is sad how you turned your back on Bret. It is ONLY because he decided to work with Vince again. I can guarantee you that if HBK ever turned on Vince and agreed with what you say about Vince, HBK would find a place somewhere in your heart. Get over it dude. You spew a bunch of nonsense that you can't prove. You have NEVER worked in the industry, but you're right about what happens? That is so freakin laughable that it actually becomes sad.

You act like I have no knowledge of "blue collar workers". You have no idea what I do for a living. As for unions and safety standards, I have lost friends that work as longshoremen. The docks of San Pedro, California has had unfortunate accidents and I lost some friends. You know how freakin dangerous dock work is? You don't think many of the young men who join KNOW the dangers of their job? Yet, they still do it. Accidents happen. Union or no union. So for you to say I don't care, or I don't know about unions/blue collar laborers simply tells me that you talk out of your ass all the time. You don't know who I am or what I do. You make ASSUMPTIONS. Just like how you are making ASSUMPTIONS of how Vincent Kennedy McMahon operates his business. You know why I don't make outlandish assumptions of McMahon? I do not have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of how the wrestling industry works. Gee, simple concept right?

Oh, and one more thing. As for your spelling being spot on, um, you may want to re-read your latest post... I also can't get over "Kansas City, Louisiana". Then you followed with the statement, "So, don't ever accuse me of not knowing my shit, cause when it comes to this topic I have more game then 99% of you." Oh really....Please tell me where Kansas City, Louisiana is....

 

[The Fallen Angel]

One of these days, your brain will actually kick in and make sense. Again, I ask you. Why should we believe you? You have ZERO experience working in the industry, but yet you are comparing unions of other entities to what a union would be like in wrestling. Do you honestly believe there are ZERO safety standards in wrestling? You are making a fool out of yourself again. Not that I should be surprised.

You act like Vince invented the whole "TLC" matches. Gee, what was Paul Heyman doing in the original ECW? Remember Mick Foley's barbed wire matches? Where did they originate? With McMahon? Crazy, out of this world matches, have been occuring forever, but yet you act like Vince McMahon thought of the whole "stuntman" mentality matches. How come you are not screaming about those promoters putting their wrestlers in harm's way? Jesse couldn't get a union started, but what prevented WCW, AWA, ECW, etc, from establishing their own union? WWE by the way is NOT a monopoly for crying out loud. In order to be a monopoly, you have to be the ONLY organization. True or False, there's another wrestling organization out there?

By the way, I never realized there was place called Kansas City, Louisiana. Silly me, I know all 50 States of the US and I never heard of such a location. Yet, I am supposed to believe what you say.....It's not even a spelling error too. Yeah, you really know your shit...

Oh, silly me. Superstar Billy Graham is the ORIGINAL reason how steroids got into professional sports such as football, basketball, and baseball. Never mind the fact illegal performance drugs have been used by athletes for years before that. yeah, Billy Graham is the reason for all the steroid abuse in sports across the world. Dude, you really need to quit.

It really is sad how you turned your back on Bret. It is ONLY because he decided to work with Vince again. I can guarantee you that if HBK ever turned on Vince and agreed with what you say about Vince, HBK would find a place somewhere in your heart. Get over it dude. You spew a bunch of nonsense that you can't prove. You have NEVER worked in the industry, but you're right about what happens? That is so freakin laughable that it actually becomes sad.

You act like I have no knowledge of "blue collar workers". You have no idea what I do for a living. As for unions and safety standards, I have lost friends that work as longshoremen. The docks of San Pedro, California has had unfortunate accidents and I lost some friends. You know how freakin dangerous dock work is? You don't think many of the young men who join KNOW the dangers of their job? Yet, they still do it. Accidents happen. Union or no union. So for you to say I don't care, or I don't know about unions/blue collar laborers simply tells me that you talk out of your ass all the time. You don't know who I am or what I do. You make ASSUMPTIONS. Just like how you are making ASSUMPTIONS of how Vincent Kennedy McMahon operates his business. You know why I don't make outlandish assumptions of McMahon? I do not have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of how the wrestling industry works. Gee, simple concept right?

Oh, and one more thing. As for your spelling being spot on, um, you may want to re-read your latest post... I also can't get over "Kansas City, Louisiana". Then you followed with the statement, "So, don't ever accuse me of not knowing my shit, cause when it comes to this topic I have more game then 99% of you." Oh really....Please tell me where Kansas City, Louisiana is....

i can't even see what he is saying anymore because i put him on ignore to save some sanity. No matter how right/good your argument or rebuttal are he isn't going to agree with you or give an inch, and will just spout the same nonsense. Just give it up prime, its not worth it

 

[ShiningIce]

I am in Kansas City at the moment. Last I was aware Louisiana was two states down.