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Just want some advice on a really important life issue.

I never loan anyone anything more than $1, cause if they don't pay me back, eh, its just a dollar. Plus I look at it as the price of finding out they were a selfish bastard rather than a friend.

Even with the $1, I have a one strike and you're out rule. Meaning the first time they didn't pay me back, they don't get another dime. Ever. In life. Until they pay me back. The first time you and your friend gave this person MORE money after he didn't pay either if you two back was the same as giving him permission to do it over and over again. And about him "tricking" you into paying for his date? You should have told him "tough, you AND her better roll up your sleeves and wash some dishes or something."

The only way someone can step all over you is for you to bend down and let them.
 
This is not the first time he's done that.

Uhm, you know....fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me!!

If he destroyed your laptop before, you shouldn't even let him near any other of your computers!

Stand up for yourself instead of giving that guy the chance to screw you over again and again! Stop whining and put your foot down, be a man!! Just tell him where to go, and forget about the money, you won't get it anyways.
 
12 years of being a wanker and you still called him your best friend?!?!
WTF? Are you 'Saint cryingfreeman' or something?
12 years of successfully shafting you! No wonder he wanted to be your mate. Just think about it.
 
I just want to see what he's planning to do to make amends, how far he'll go to save our friendship.


Based on the stuff you posted, I'd say your friendship ended a long time ago.


If you do meet with him, might want to make sure it's in a public place with lots of people, just to be safe. His version of "straightening things out" nowadays might be slamming his fist into someone's face.
 
@ rhiannon - If you remember what I wrote earlier I only let him use my laptop once and that's when he ruined it and I made him pay the $1000 to replace it. After I got it fixed I let no one touch my laptop. Eric was even angry at me for a while because I didn't let him touch it. Not that I was being paranoid. I knew that he was looking at porn also when I let him use it and I didn't want history to repeat itself. This incident now happened because he gave me a corrupted antivirus and didn't tell me. And what do you mean whining? I already did what I needed to do. I just came here to asked a simple question. It's not like I was complaining on here every day about him and not doing anything about it.

@ miskiduk - I called him my best friend because he was. We've known each other since 1st grade. He was there for me when my father died 22 years ago. I was there for him when his great aunt died. We were there for each other in good times and bad, through heartaches and breakups. He only started acting the way I described earlier when he started working about 11, 12 years ago. And it wasn't all at once. He would pull something then apologize and make up for it. And it was every once in a while. He didn't really start getting brazen and more frequent with it until about 4 years ago. At first Eric and I would call him out on it every time but we got fed up because he would throw a hissy fit every time we got mad. We remained friends with him because of our history but what he did to me this past Christmas made us realize he didn't care about me and Eric as best friends the way we cared about him. The only thing important to him is his money.

@ He-man - I'm not worried about him. Eric is going to be there. He's got issues he wants to settle with Darnell too. Bsides, Darnell's always been a coward when it came to fighting. In grade school and high school he was getting picked on. We went to the same grade school all 8 years but then I went to a different high school for freshman and sophomore year. I transferred to Darnell's school in junior year and he was the one telling everybody why I got expelled from my last school. That gave me a rep when I got to the new school and every one wanted to see of it were true. Once I established myself as someone not to be taken lightly Darnell jumped on the bandwagon. He even told every one that we fought tooth and nail just to raise his street cred a bit. I let it go because I didn't really care. He started really getting ballsy and stepped to every one who picked on him knowing that they knew we were friends so they wouldn't touch him. And even if they did he knew I would defend him. I told him, though, that I would be there to watch his back but he has to fight his own battles and I wouldn't get involved at all if he started the fight. I also told him to stop riding my coattails. He denied it and I let it go but reminded him that I would only be there if they started with him and only to watch his back not fight his battles. Even to this day when we used to hang out he would stay over until it was light out or he would go home before it got too late for fear of getting jumped or mugged.
 
@ miskiduk - I called him my best friend because he was. We've known each other since 1st grade. He was there for me when my father died 22 years ago. I was there for him when his great aunt died. We were there for each other in good times and bad, through heartaches and breakups. He only started acting the way I described earlier when he started working about 11, 12 years ago. And it wasn't all at once. He would pull something then apologize and make up for it. And it was every once in a while. He didn't really start getting brazen and more frequent with it until about 4 years ago. At first Eric and I would call him out on it every time but we got fed up because he would throw a hissy fit every time we got mad. We remained friends with him because of our history but what he did to me this past Christmas made us realize he didn't care about me and Eric as best friends the way we cared about him. The only thing important to him is his money.


Yeah ok, I can see your dilema and my response may have been a little knee-jerk about it.
It strikes me that he was, in the past, a very valuable friend to you. Of course you are always going to want that to continue, who wouldn't? However, you need to realise that people change over time, move on with their lives. and assign different priorities in place of their old ones. It strikes me that he is no longer the friend he once was, nor likely to ever be again. I think it is time you moved on yourself and realised your own priorites, not his anymore. Whilst to continue to hanker after him he will obviously still remain by your side - it is to his benefit in this case, clearly.
As you go through life, the longer you live on this planet, you go through more and more chapters in your own 'life story'. Friends can come and go, entire social circles can come and go. It isn't always nice to see them go, but sometimes they must, and should. If you believe he is no longer capable of redemtion, and you have tried discussing this bluntly with him to no avail, then I would suggest it is time to now turn the page and begin a new chapter without him. Maybe you'll regret it, maybe you won't - but the new chapter will write itself regardless, and at least you will no longer have the problem you currently have.
Being a good friend to someone long ago does not give you the right to continuously shit upon them in the future. Maybe he has a problem, maybe he has issues. Have you (really) tried to talk it out with him? If so, then move on. If not, then for fuck's sake just lay it all on the line for him bluntly. And I do mean bluntly, don't try extra hard to be diplomatic about it - he'll understand, he's your best friend after all, isn't he?
 
No person should have to type this much to explain a grievance therefore those responsible are assholes for causing you this grief!

I didn't actually read the post lol (im tired sry!) but it sounds like voodoo dolls are required for this solution..
 
@ rhiannon - If you remember what I wrote earlier I only let him use my laptop once and that's when he ruined it and I made him pay the $1000 to replace it. After I got it fixed I let no one touch my laptop. Eric was even angry at me for a while because I didn't let him touch it. Not that I was being paranoid. I knew that he was looking at porn also when I let him use it and I didn't want history to repeat itself. This incident now happened because he gave me a corrupted antivirus and didn't tell me. And what do you mean whining? I already did what I needed to do. I just came here to asked a simple question. It's not like I was complaining on here every day about him and not doing anything about it.

Did he know the antivirus was corrupted?

What I mean by whining is you telling all the horrible things he does, and I am just asking myself why you didn't tell the guy to leave you alone a long time ago! Nothing whatsoever that you described him doing makes him look like a friend. So what would you lose cancelling the friendship? Nothing! I'd just let it go and not talk to him again!
 
rhiannon, I see your point, but sometimes.. one is just.. too hooked into someone, to let go. It happened to me.

I should have told both my ex best friend, and my father, to both go fuck themselves, permanently.. a long time ago. They both had a list of offenses a mile long, that would have justified me in doing so. Had I done so, it would not have given either of them the opportunity to stab me in the back, when my mom has cancer, and when I needed them most.

I'm guessing freeman felt as I did: He trusted his friend, valued him, used to overlook things.. forgive.. when his best friend hurt him. Trust me, I know the feeling. It isn't easy to have to let go of people you want to value. I have no siblings, so my ex best friend was like my brother.

freeman reached the same point I did. The shit piled up so badly, that he couldnt put up with it anymore.

My situation with my ex best friend happened two months ago. I would have been on the phone with him right now, making plans for the day, as I did for eleven years, instead of here posting. It's still weird.. so.. it isn't that easy to just say "Fuck off" to someone you value so much.

However, based on freeman's post, and the fact of what he told us, I see he has no other choice. He cant undo what he did in the past. My mom has been yelling at me all year, about what kind of a fourteen carat asshole I was, to put up with the shit I did from my father, and my now ex best friend. Trust me, I've reproached myself about how I handled the situations with them a million times. What I have to do is put it behind me, and learn from my mistakes.

freeman, as someone who is going through it.. my message to you is this. Be fair to yourself, lose your best friend. Deal with it, and go on, as I'm trying to. I know it hurts.. trust me, but in the long run, you will be better off.

Good Luck to you, my friend. If you want to vent, my PM box is open to you.

Mitch
 
Did he know the antivirus was corrupted?

Nothing whatsoever that you described him doing makes him look like a friend. So what would you lose cancelling the friendship? Nothing! I'd just let it go and not talk to him again!

I've said it before on here so intead of repeating I'll just copy and paste.

He gave me the antivirus knowing that it was 4 years old but he didn't tell me. I uploaded it onto my laptop and it gave me a virus instead. I thought that uninstalling it would get rid of it but the virus stayed. Later when I asked him for the money he argued that he told the antivirus was old and there was a high possiblity that it was corrupted but he never told me that. He said he did but that I don't remember. That's when I got pissed. Eric and my cousin were there when he gave me the antivirus. They even told him he was lying. 😱)

I "called" him my best friend because he was. We've known each other since 1st grade. He was there for me when my father died 22 years ago. I was there for him when his great aunt died. We were there for each other in good times and bad, through heartaches and breakups. He only started acting the way I described earlier when he started working about 11, 12 years ago. And it wasn't all at once. He would pull something then apologize and make up for it. And it was every once in a while. He didn't really start getting brazen and more frequent with it until about 4 years ago. At first Eric and I would call him out on it every time but we got fed up because he would throw a hissy fit every time we got mad. We remained friends with him because of our history but what he did to me this past Christmas made Eirc and me realize he didn't care about us as best friends the way we cared about him. The only thing important to him is his money.

To the others thanks for the sound advice. It's really appreciated. I'm actually feeling better. He keeps texting and emailing saying he that he would pay me back but I told him actions speak louder than words. He even tried to twist it around again and make me look like the bad guy. When he 1st got in contact with me asking to work things out he said I should never have questioned our friendship then asked if we could talk. I told him pay me back or there's nothing to talk about. He responded saying he was hurt and insulted that I was basing our friendship on money.

I was pissed so I told him exactly how I felt - Screw you! Don't twist this around on me. All the times I've been there for you. The one time I depended on you and YOU chose money over our friendship. You knew I needed the money to buy Christmas presents and you STILL made every excuse in the book not to pay me. You STILL chose to fuck me over. That's why I have EVERY RIGHT to question our friendship. Because YOU chose money over it.

After that he told me don't worry I'll get my money but I don't care any more. What he does with himself is no longer any of my concern. Nor is it Eric's. We're done with him screwing us over then twisting things to make himself look like the victim.

@ Mitch - Thanks. Nice to know I've got a kindred soirit here. I hope that PM box is also open to tickled related stuff as well.
 
It's hard after so much time but this sounds like it's just escalating

Was he using you in grade/high school as a human shield? That sounds cold but how long ago do you think the using really started?

And he's also blurted out your business more than once publicly. Maybe in high school you might've thought it was to protect both of you (or maybe especially him? :ermm: Since you then apparently had to live up to that tougher rep,
----unless you'd have been tested by bullies anyway and his statements were truly for mutual protection? :idunno: )

But to announce something very embarrassing & private (anyone can be overcome by a drugged drink, for example, and I'm not looking for more info, that was just enough to make your point --- just so you realize you shouldn't be embarrassed, but that was really private information that he "outed" :shock: )

...that he blurted out in front of your date :facepalm:

Was HE trying to steal YOURS? :evileye:

Sounds like he's worried about your innocent behavior with his date because he himself has no honor
(and really, obviously his dates WERE better off with you or your other friend any day.... :ermm: )
What a bad joke, the man has to pay, he actually said that to you after getting you to pay for his date with a woman???

(He can't complain about your taking over his role with his date since you paid for their evening out anyway 😛 according to his "logic". Especially since regardless of money, you're the gentleman, you waited to be sure his date/s got home safely!!)

----Even aside from spending his money in *front of you after manipulating you out of yours, and for so long :wow:

(and trying to screw up your date/s while making you pay for his :disgust: )

----I think the total disregard for your feelings alone, trying to humiliate you publicly to make himself look witty at HUGE cost to you
tells you this is no friend ----

(And he'd get you in trouble at school with bullies when younger? Just more of the same as an adult, causing a public situation you'd have to pay for one way or another?)

And then the lies on Facebook, :facepalm: which can reach everyone you know, is again more public abuse & manipulation, on an even bigger scale,
now he's also trying to tarnish your reputation with lies?! :shock:

(Maybe that's because he assumes you'll tell the truth about him, just because he doesn't have the honor or decency to keep his mouth shut about *your business...
--so he went on the offensive to fix it so he'd come out looking good at your expense again)

Thankfully many others see through that, which might be another reason he might want to reconcile ----
his latest & biggest attempt at your public humiliation for his benefit backfired in a big way.

"A friend in need is a friend indeed" Sounds trite & cold but sometimes it's hard to distinguish, though here there seems to be no question this guy is bad news.

Any one of the above would be enough of a reason to sever ties with someone, especially when the abuse is repeated, and increased.

After so many years & shared experiences it's very, very hard to be objective, but at least you seem to see that his behavior is destructive, and not just to you.
He's obviously not a friend to you (such a user shouldn't be in any relationship).

It sounds like at least one massive character flaw, and it doesn't sound like he'll easily "grow out of it". Good idea to have at least the other friend with you when meeting him. You might be doing him a favor by telling him off directly, but then again he probably knows what he's doing wrong, and just needs to know he can't get away with it.

Severing ties permanently, you help yourself and him both, he *might take other people more seriously in the future if he realizes this crap will cause him to lose friends.
Regardless, he's abusive, that's enough reason to be done with it.
 
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freeman, I'm sorry to hear what happened to you.

Simply put, Darnell sounds like a jackass and a user. He has come up with every excuse in the book not to act like a friend.

I know a bit how you feel. My friendship with my best friend of 29 years ended about two months ago, and I know it sucks.

However, you deserve to be treated better than Darnell treated you. I would be seriously pissed at him that he owed you money which prevented you from buying Xmas gifts. That, the giving you a virus on your comp, and some of the other things you mentioned, all sound like dealbreakers to me.

Personally, I would lose him.

Mitch

I agree, it's tough. I've been through it. Just keep pushing through. It'll get better, you'll feel better. And realize you don't need people like that in your life. Your friends and family should respect you. Not take you for granted. And posting it on facebook is very childish, why include more people into the drama. Drama seeker, nothing more.
 
freeman, yw, my friend, glad I can help, and of course the pm box is open to tickle related stuff. Contact me anytime for any reason, and I'll get back to you ASAP.

Mitch
 
He didn't use me as a human shield. He just got braver because everyone was afraid of me so he knew they wouldn't touch him out of his association with me. He was just lashing out at the bullies that messed with him. I knew how he felt because I was bullied in grade school but I didn't take it lying down. I actually fought back so when high school rolled around I still had that mentality of don't start shit and there won't be shit. I stood up to all the bullies they had. Even teachers were afraid of me. I didn't bully any one or act out but I always stood my ground when they tried to bully me.

Teachers were afraid because I let my anger get the best of me a couple days after I transferred in. A bully told me to get out of his seat but I was there first and it wasn't assigned seating. I told him to get another one but he threatened to kick my ass so I stood up and got in his face. I told him I'd like to see him try. The teacher told us no fighting and I asked if she was going to stop me. That's when she got scared. The bully backed down and it spread like wild fire. Every one kind of looked at me differently and did their best to stay out of my way.

Darnell and I had LONG talk today. We aired out all our differences. I know that I'm not perfect so he also had issues with me. But we laid out everything. When he arrived I was shoveling snow. He walked up and asked if I had an extra shovel and I got one and he helped me shovel. Later we went in and talked for a good couple of hours. He actually cried in front of me. The only time he did that was when his uncle died and I had picked him up from the funeral. He told me he didn't want to lose his 2 best friends. We had a long discussion of how to fix our friendship, if at all fixable. I decided to give him 1 more chance but I told him that he has to prove himself to me again, be like he was before. I told him that he had 1 strike. That's it. He said ok as long as we could be friends again. Eric was not so understanding. He was supposed to be here but he never showed. He didn;t even answer his phone when we called. I guess his issues run far deeper than I thought. I know a lot of you might think that I'm being idiotic in taking him back but, like I said earlier, I gave him an ultimatum. He has to prove himslef and he has only 1 strike. Hopefully things will work out with every one involved.
 
freeman, I'm glad you settled things with Darnell. I'm sorry that Eric never showed. I'd be a hypocrite if I judged you for taking Darnell back, because, my now ex best friend, and my father, both fucked me over, time and time again, and I repeatedly took both of them back. As I said before, relationships that are supposed to be important to people are hard to just get rid of.

For both of your sakes, I truly hope that Darnell changes. My viewpoint about people not changing, is based on my own experience, with two of the people who used to be closest to me, who just seemed to have an agenda for me to end up out of their lives. Maybe Darnell will finally realize how important your friendship is to him, and he will change.

I wish you both the best of luck. I hope your situation with Darnell, turns out better than things did for me, with my now ex best friend.

Mitch
 
I've seen some of the responses, I've seen some of your info, so here's my take on it.

Everyone talks about revenge, telling him off, whatever.

block your screen names, ignore him on the phone, delete him off your facebook/myspace and if he bitches, then friend him, and block every applicable feature that he can use from your profile. If he tags photos of you, untag them. if he sees you in a pub or around town and strikes up a conversation, act cool, say you have some prior engagement planned (idk.....maybe an interview to go to/prep for?), and leave.

You can't drop your past. You can't forget you know him. But you can play the game so that you deal with him on a minimal basis.
 
Just an update and another question.

My friendship with Darnell is better than ever. He kept his promise. He paid me back and stopped borrowing money from me and Eric. He's actually working 2 jobs to support himself. We all hang out as much as we can though not as often because of our work schedules.

Eric and Darnell have also buried the hatchet. They were even roommates for a couple of years. Of course they did have the normal grievances roommates have such as food issues, chores and cleanliness issues but that's to be expected. The only reason they stopped living together was because the landlord sold the building and the new owner kicked everyone out, renovated it and rented out to new tenants. Eric moved in with his cousins and Darnell's dad asked him to be his roommate because he couldn't afford rent on his own anymore.

The 3 of us have gotten closer the past couple of years, not only because of working through our issues but because of tragedies the pulled us together as well. My grandmother died and Eric and Darnell were there. My mom went to bury her overseas in her birthplace. Most of my family went but I couldn't because of work. I was alone here and they stepped up to the plate and stayed by my side when I needed a shoulder. When Eric's mother went to the hospital due to a stroked Darnell and I were there for him. In turn when Darnell's grandfather passed away and his grandmother suffered a stroke Eric and I were there for him.

A couple of weeks ago Darnell called me and told me he caught herpes from a girl. Eric and I told him so many times to be careful. We knew his choice in women have been sketchy at best. They were reputed to have been more than easy. I've heard that he would get a hooker from time to time also. He even confided to me that this was the reason he didn't pay me that Christmas. He used it to get laid the night before Christmas Eve instead of paying me. He told me this about a year and a half after our fractured friendship had begun to heal.

I took it in stride and shrugged it off but part of me was angry all over again. I felt hurt that he would rather get laid than pay me the money he owed me so I could buy Christmas presents but Eric and my best female friend Angelica told me to let it go. They pointed out that he'd been trying so hard for the past year and a half to change and be a best friend to me and Eric like old times. And he has. He's more than proven himself.

Of course Eric and I were there for him after this revelation of his medical affliction. We've been a shoulder for him and a friendly ear. We've also given him advice on what to do and told him that it's not the end of the world. It's not life threatening. He just has to stay on medication for the rest of his life but that he could still lead a normal one. The only thing is when he first told me I, naturally, felt terrible for him but at the same time I had this mental thought of "that's what he gets" and "you reap what you sow."

I even felt a minute sense of satisfaction, like karma did its job, due to all the times he paid for sex and he didn't heed our warnings and the thought that a couple of years ago he knew I needed the money for special reasons and it was more important to him to get his jollies off rather than help one of his best friends.

My question is this: Am I wrong for feeling this way even though it was for just a short time right before my brotherly love and concern for 1 of my best friends kicked into maximum gear? I told Eric and he was a little mad at me. He said that he felt it was kinda messed up that I would feel that way. He said it was one thing if Darnell told us that the girl said he was inadequate in bed or he was small and I felt that way but he got a sexually transmitted disease, even if it's not life-threatening, it's still a serious thing.

I told Eric I understand that it's serious and felt terrible and genuinely concerned for Darnell's plight and that I also felt really guilty for feeling a little vindicated for that brief moment. Eric said okay and he let it go but am I really wrong for feeling like Darnell got what he had coming to him for not being careful, not taking our warnings into consideration time and time again and always thinking with his penis instead of his brain or heart? The way Eric took it made me feel like I was a bad person and more importantly, a horrible friend. I hope that's not the case. All my friends know that I'm loyal to a fault. Just want your opinion on the matter.
 
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You're not responsible for the brief, momentary thoughts and feelings that come upon you, but in this instance, there wasn't really any reason why Eric needed to hear it, and Darnell definitely doesn't need to hear it. Momentary thoughts and feelings, as opposed to choices and actions, are your own private business, and they generally don't cause any problems until you make the mistake of expecting an external party to understand and validate them.
 
Short and sweet.
True friends don't do this, if he looks at you guys as brothers then he should realize what he is doing. I say cut ties both of you and let him learn the hard way of his ways. Plain and simple
 
Just FYI, an anti-Virus will never ever CAUSE a virus to occur. The worst it can do is to fail to prevent a virus that would have happened anyway. Secondly, most if not all anti-virus software will alert you right away that it's out of date, and prompt you to to update immediately.

So what happened to your computer can't be blamed on your friend. That one is totally 100% on you, buddy.

As for the rest, I'll leave it to the others to psycho analyze.
 
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