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Let's clear up the Chat Room once and for all- this post has been a long time brewing

Why people are not banned:

I give you the example of a member who first caused an issue in 2003. He was banned.

As of today they have created 117 accounts. Each of which has been banned as discovered. They operate on a high volume ISP. If I ban it, I'll take out about 6K other members.

How successful would he have been with his multiple accounts if he'd had to make 20 non-spurious posts to validate each new identity before he could use the chatroom? This was one of the advantages I wanted to raise in my original post but forgot to include that paragraph- it would also provide a solution to your abovementioned 'blanket ban' problem.

Go visit Tickling City. The tickling forum that required person by person verification before they could post. It failed to maintain critical posting levels, stalled, and while still up, has become a ghost ship. That is what happens when you build hurdles to member participation.

Our membership, at last count, numbers 124,221. An enormous percentage have already made their 20 posts and would be completely unaffected by any changes.

I'm not trying to cause any additional work, but merely making the suggestion of a software alteration that would make the room far more accessible to those who genuinely have something to say rather than those who take advantage of the community and creep out our female members.
 
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I'm not trying to cause any additional work, but merely making the suggestion of a software alteration that would make the room far more accessible to those who genuinely have something to say rather than those who take advantage of the community and creep out our female members.

that's the thing, the software alteration would make it harder for people to access the room, those who aren't to your taste AND otherwise, like many have said there is plenty of courteous polite non creepy people who don't have any interest in posting on the forum that use and have used the chatroom for years, why make things more difficult for them when the easier way to deal with people who come across as creepy is to hit the ignore button? that solution works perfectly and requires no staff, especially if you keep a mental note of which users bug you.

As for the banning thing, users like the one Myriads pointed out really havn't been very taxing to keep under control, literally it goes like this:

1. problem in chat room, screen caps made.

2. problem discussed and someone will go "hey its that guy again"

3. user gets banned again and the problem goes away again

If you could see how often mods genuinely have to do something and actually take action in the chatroom you would see that no extra work needs to be done, no extra walls need to be put up, just the same issue as everywhere else on the internet, people need to take a little responsibility for what they're doing and choose to use the ignore button and accept that people like that will always be about.

It wouldn't be right to block them out at the expense of those who would be effected by it and would make the whole place a lot quieter and would probably end the popularity of the room.
 
How successful would he have been with his multiple accounts if he'd had to make 20 non-spurious posts to validate each new identity before he could use the chatroom? This was one of the advantages I wanted to raise in my original post but forgot to include that paragraph- it would also provide a solution to your abovementioned 'blanket ban' problem.




Our membership, at last count, numbers 124,221. An enormous percentage have already made their 20 posts and would be completely unaffected by any changes.

I'm not trying to cause any additional work, but merely making the suggestion of a software alteration that would make the room far more accessible to those who genuinely have something to say rather than those who take advantage of the community and creep out our female members.

I can think of a number of members with far more than 20 posts that truly have nothing to say, and are simply taking advantage of the community. Thankfully, it's neither my decision nor my right to exclude them.
That's the difference between a community and a gated community.

As for "creeping out" our female members, I'm pretty sure the women in the chat room know how to work the ignore button, make a screencap, or make a report to a mod. If not, it's fairly easy to ask how.

There are systems in place to make the chat room a more polite environment; people just have to use them, rather than impose restrictions based on one person's criteria.
 
How successful would he have been with his multiple accounts if he'd had to make 20 non-spurious posts to validate each new identity before he could use the chatroom? This was one of the advantages I wanted to raise in my original post but forgot to include that paragraph- it would also provide a solution to your abovementioned 'blanket ban' problem.

In the early days such was not much of an issue for him. He happily posted on the forum at the same time that he hit up the chat room (Most of his posts were in video and images, complimenting posts he enjoyed). All of his first 2 or 3 dozen accounts had 10-30 posts on them at the time of killing. He knew how to post, and would have had no issues jumping a 20 post hurdle.

In fact, eventually once he knew he was gonna burn an account by trolling the chat room, he'd burn it on the forum by trolling threads too. So it was double the work to clean up. I wager a lot of folks would troll out 20 posts hit the room to be rude and then repeat with a new account, causing in fact MORE work in that forum staff would need to back up and clean up the troll posts on forum, which we'd encouraged with the posting bar.

In twelve years of running the place I've found that people that want to be annoying are excellent at getting past automated walls. You can only strain them out by hand. And that is a strait up manpower issue. Manpower is limited. As all my staff is unpaid, anytime I task them with some new project I'm asking for a chunk of life. A chunk that will get spent on some task that is mind numbing and unending is not one that goes down well, it demotivates them, and then they go away. Then I have less manpower to use on the real problems that I need staff for.

Sadly adding a pile of new staff is not an answer either. Moderating is more art then science, and getting folks to a point where they don't over or under mod is difficult and takes time. Ask Crystalight who is a professional Mod for a large internet company how much training and time goes into each hire to ensure quality... and where she works people get PAID and well.

At the base of this is a desire for a civil and friendly forum. A goal that I want, and have worked toward since I came on in '00. I'm aware of how clods chase women off. I'm aware how atmosphere causes more or less interaction. And if folks remember the tickling community circa 1999 or so, most will agree it was a sausage fest. Women who interacted and spoke were few and far between.

It was my first priority to make women feel welcome and secure on the TMF, and a LOT of time and energy was spent on that goal. And it paid off. That work, along with the demographical changes in the new generations that have come of age since ~2000 have made women a very visible and active part of our community. In fact, to such a point that people from other fetish groups have asked me how we did it.

I give our female members more credit then most for knowing how to deal with clods and creepers. They handle them quite well.

The Room today in my eyes is little different then any internet chat client that I have used going back to one at my collage in 1983. There are idiots that make it less fun. Every technology gets abused. e-mail was a wonder, until the flood of unwanted spam came with it. Cellphones are amazing, but seeing every couple at a nice dinner out looking at their phones or talking on them is a bummer. Hell I have a customer at my business that I have not spoken to since 2005 every time he is in he's on the phone, and we complete his transaction via hand signals. Technology gets abused.

Chat rooms will have idiots. Trolls get stomped. But being socially inept is not a crime. A lot of users who hit the room are making their first attempt at connecting with anyone who has the same fetish they do. Sadly a lot of them are not very apt in interaction, and unfortunate things happen. I've always held that these folks need education from the more skilled in the community to become functioning members of it. And often members step up and do help them.

Many of the most active posters on the forum today were people who in days gone by has 'issues' with the forum rules, and could well have been banned if I'd chosen to lean that way. But given time and some effort they have grown and become very productive members of the community who add a lot to discussion and the forum.

A posting bar in my eyes is very much like a 'ban' would have been to such folks. A removal of a chance to get in touch with people and learn and grow. I always land on open over exclusion. It often creates situations that make me unpopular. But it's not about me. It's about the community that I was asked to care for and grow here on the forum. And I see that as including all the folks, not just the better spoken, or full matured ones.

Would I like the sort of room the OP outlined in his post? Yes. A civil, polite, mature room would be wonderful. But such a room reflects only one segment of the community, and the communities skill level. And since the room has tools that allow that segment to tune out the segment that bothers them, I have chosen to land on the more inclusive group size.

A lot of folks think running places like this is a giggle. I thought it would be back in '00. It turned out to be a metric fuck-ton more complicated and time eating then I ever expected.

Myriads
 
I tend to just ignore the stinkheads. It's rare that I'm even in there but some of the peeps are ok. But some of them? Yeah. :jester:

It's the internet. I've seen it happen in just about every chatroom I've ever been in. You got the good peeps and you have the idiots. My personal faves are the ones that message you as soon as you go in. Or the ones that want to chat when you really are taking part in trivia. Really? :facepalm:


One nice thing though is that you don't have to click on any messages to open them up. And even when you do get the "Hey Angel, I'm trying to message you, care to PC" posts in the main room, I'll ignore those too lol. I can definitely see both sides here but do realize the chat mods can't be everywhere so we just have to learn to take responsibility for ourselves now and then.

And as adults, it's not hard. 😛
 
I don't have a whole lot to add that hasn't already been said, but instead of focusing on who to boot OUT of the chat room, how about us members find more fun ways to get people INTO the chat room? I don't go into the chat anymore because its just BORING, and anyone who PMs me just wants to talk tickling. Yes, its a tickling chat, but people are made up of so much more stuff.

Everyone likes trivia, yes? How about we, as members, find more stuff to do to make the chat room more fun. I'm having flashbacks to the early 2000s, when we used to play silly games, or have a Q&A and discussions and stuff like that. (This wasn't in the TMF chat, but another that I used to frequent.)

I dunno, I could just be talking out my butt here. :shrug:
 
I pop in and out of the chatroom on occasion and I definitely see the point Libertine is trying to make. It's incredibly annoying when people troll around in there, asking inappropriate questions, starting fights, or picking on people just for fun. On the surface, the idea of somehow controlling the population in there to avoid these people getting in is very appealing.

That having been said, ultimately I don't think it's a good idea, and I don't think that it would even work if it were. When I joined the forum almost 10 years ago (after perving for about 2 years) the chatroom was one of my first stops. It was basically the only way I felt comfortable interacting with anyone besides Yahoo IM. I wasn't ready to post. I felt like in the chatroom I had complete control over who was reading my thoughts. That would not be the case in the discussion forums. Once it was out there it was out there for anyone and everyone to see. The idea made me feel very exposed, and I just was not ready to take that step. I was even so paranoid to think that someone from my vanilla life would stumble upon one of my posts, recognize my typing style (don't judge me - I know how ridiculous that is) and then they'd know - the horror 🙄 Anyway, the chatroom was a crucial first step for me, and if I had been required to post before being allowed in there, it may never have happened. If it did it would probably have taken MANY more years.

I think the best thing to do is just ignore the derps in the chatroom, or have a sense of humor about them. Realize that they suck and they're gonna continue to suck basically forever, so you might as well just laugh about it and go on your merry way.
 
I don't have a whole lot to add that hasn't already been said, but instead of focusing on who to boot OUT of the chat room, how about us members find more fun ways to get people INTO the chat room? I don't go into the chat anymore because its just BORING...

Love this idea 🙂
 
Too much work for too little payoff.

On top of everything else that could be said about this suggestion, people would simply make their 20 posts and go about their business in the chatroom as it's always been. The mods would be spending all that time reviewing, and zilch would change. That's not a strong enough disincentive to affect anything. I'm not saying we should look for a stronger disincentive, just that I don't think this requirement would do diddly other than waste moderator time.
 
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