*Male Posters*, would you let another guy tickle you?

[Kujman1]

Ay yi yi.....

With the exception of Toyou and tklr5150...

JEEESH......... what a bunch of hypocrits and chickens YOU guys are. What a disappointment. Everyone is entitled to their tastes for sure.... but those "macho" attitudes attached to them went out with the dark ages of the 90's- or so I thought. You guys really surprise me in a sad way. You should see the email I got about this thread from females (ONLY with their permission would I'll post them). Look at the message you send to others- especially the females you hope to impress! How less secure in yourself could you appear?

I'll bet the SAME guys have no problem with female to female action though, right?

I've not only done it, had it done unmercifully, and given parties for straight, bi and gay males to indulge in it... but I've also given demos for guys on this subject (as well as immobile bondage and foot torments) many times in CA and NYC. I'm also proud of the fact that I'm accepted in ALL various sexual categories for events, parties, and demos... and advice... including lesbian groups... even though sexually I'm straight.

Before anyone doubts it, here's a photo of one such demo for guys:

http://members.aol.com/kujman1/KJbench.jpg

So, c'mon guys! Don't you think it's time to lighten up, loosen up, and open your field of vision a tad? Follow my lead. All high school fantasies aside, the whole world is NOT made up of your "topless babes" prancing about dorm rooms waiting to tickle each other.

And I'll tell you what else right out of my backlog of experience- it's one of the reasons true females into tickling enjoy me and what I offer in this scene- and I mean REAL time players, not just posters and wannabees- because I know who I am and what l'm about and have NO qualms about issues such as that. Hint: girls LOVE to see m/m action at a party (or one of our events) as much as guys love to see f/f action. Sex or sexual intimacy has never been an issue or involved in it or one of my demos.

It's a tickling- not a marriage.

KJ

 

[Sandman]

Great post. I agree. BUT at the same time I won't rag on people who does not like it. I tried it, is that not good enough? I tried it and it's not for me, i really did not like it. For those who do, cool. For those who just say "NO, HELL NO" without even giving it a try is the ones who really have no say//

 

[QBWeaver]

ok... Where's my reply to this post?

I don't know what's happening to my replies but I'm replying again here also. (note to self: Keep copy of all posts to repost later if appropriate)

I see men always saying that it's "gay" to tickle or to be tickled by another guy. How come? It's only tickling. And yet most of the guys don't seem to consider a woman tickling a woman to be unreasonable. Yet for a man to tickle a man seems to be unless you're gay.

When another woman is tickling me I don't get the urge to jump into bed with her. It's just tickling. At gatherings I can usually separate the tickling and the sexual nature of it. It usually only during a one on one scene that I will allow the sexual feelings to rush over me yet even those are tempered based on who I'm playing with.

Is is "gay" for a woman to tickle a woman? If so why and if not why not? Just curious from a woman's point of view.

Jan

 

[Darkknight]

Not my gig either. But that's not the question.
Would I let a guy tickle me? No.

Have I been tickled by a male in the past, yes but that's cause he didn't care who he tickled (he wasn't one of us).
At a casual public event and he was like a brother to me.
It totally felt weird and blocked out any sense of being ticklish (the little I am).

It just felt gross to be tickled by a man. No offense to any
of our gay/bi members.

The very first time I saw a tickling photo on the net was two girls. And it turned me off. But it was tickling I thought to myself.. then after several hundred tickling photos... it became second nature for me to see f/f tickling pics. m/m I still can't enjoy. At least I tried to look at the photos. That's the closest I'll get. 🙂

DK

 

[qjakal]

Hey...you asked

Nice pic DK, BTW. Anyway, when you ask a question such as this, and get an answer, please try not to tell people their answer is "wrong" in some way, ok? You asked, a lot of peeps answered, and some of you got a bit huffy...oh the hell well! You didn't ask if we thought f/f was right or correct, or any other combo, but you apparently "assumed" the answer, which is a poor way to chat. Whats right for YOU isn't right for me...or him...or her...just YOU. There may be history or experiences or gen gaps or whatever, but when you start judging the answers in a post, don't be surprised if you don't get a lot on the next question, ok? I suggest some of you retreat gracefully before this gets uglier.... Q

 

[Featherdfingers]

Sure!

Not enough tickling to go around these days, in my humble opinion. A good majority of people are already paranoid about tickling, so it seems somewhat exclusive to belong to a tickling group but not be "open" or "into" helping out a 'lee or 'lers cravings. Would I prefer a woman to tickle or be tickled by? Absolutely. Would I turn down a fellow dude that was seriously need in tickling and/or being tickled? Absolutely not! Then again, part of the reason for my opinion on this subject is that I am more into tickling for the sheer fun of it than for sexual gratification.

 

[Darkknight]

Thanks Q (about my sig pic) and I agree with you on your reply. What's with jumping down someone's throat for answering a question truthfully? I'm not into PC answers.

Kuj was a little harsh in the reply but that's fine, to each their own. Tickling has a different meaning to everyone, some just for fun, to others it's sexual.

To those that said no, it's cool. To those that wouldn't care about a guy tickling them, cool to you too.

Peace,
DK

 

[qjakal]

Grumpy Old Man...

Well, actually normally I'd be talking about Strel with that title, but I seem to be a bit "testy" tonight myself....perhaps we should "expand" on this topic a bit and see where it leads. The stated question of the thread is obviously a bit ambiguous and can (and apparently did) lead to some harsh feelings and statements being made. I never said I hadn't been a 'lee at any time, nor did many of the posters here, merely that the stated preference was NOT our own. Just don't like the implications being made regarding peoples attitudes towards women....since I strongly believe women are extremely capable creatures, although an entirely different species from men. Happy to continue this if there are any lingering statements that someone wants to...discuss. Q

 

[sushi854]

Well now this is a tough one to answer...

First of all, I realize that it is difficult to always be non-judgemental. There are those on one extreme who are quick to criticize */m tickling in any form as being repulsive and disgusting, and the other extreme that labels anyone who doesn't enjoy practicing all forms of tickling as homophobic. I would also agree that it seems odd that anyone who has a fetish that the majority of society would consider to be strange would criticize others with the same fetish based on with whom they practice it.

Personally, tickling is sexual to me, with the primary appeal being the D/s aspect of it. I have never tried it with another man, and like my other sexual fantasies, I do not fantasize about me tickling or being tickled by another man. All forms of tickling media do have a certain appeal to me, whether they be F/f, M/f, F/m, or, God forbid, even M/m. Of course, due to my sexual orientation, works involving females are of greater appeal, but I can respect M/m works even if I don't think of them in a sexual manner. Well, I could go on and on about this, but I'll stop now.

giu

 

[Tickler2001]

Whoa folks!!

Some of the critics here need to take a step back. Who are you to tell me how I should feel about something?

I'm not into m/m tickling or any other kind of m/m contact. It gives me the heebie jeebies, period. This is not a conscious decision, it is the feeling I get when I see or think about this sort of thing. A person cannot change these kind of feelings, they just are.

I compare this to the recent posts knocking guys that weren't into tickling or dating overweight females. For most of us this isn't a conscious decision, we can't control who we are attracted to. A person can't force themselves to be attracted to someone there not attracted to, period.

Why would I put myself through something that made me feel as unfortable as m/m tickling? Just to satisfy the critics who would try and force others to be politically correct by their standards?

I think not.

Keep your lectures to yourself.

 

[tklr5150]

Kuj,

"the whole world is NOT made up of your "topless babes" prancing about dorm rooms waiting to tickle each other"

I don't know what you're talking about, that's EXACTLY what life is like in my dorm!

Er . . . it's possible I've just been sleeping through classes again and dreaming all that . . .

but I stand by my admittedly warped view of the world. 😛

 

[Shem the Penman]

Kujman's lecture aside, no one's saying that you have to do m/m tickling if you don't like it. However, the tone of many of the replies here sounds as if the very mention of m/m tickling is disgusting and repulsive -- which, at the very least, is insulting to those who prefer that kind of thing. Given that we're part of a subculture that many in the mainstream would regard as equally bizarre and deviant, I don't think it's asking too much to request a little tolerance.

(And for the record: Yes, I have. Didn't do anything for me. Don't think I'd seek it out again. But neither did I run screaming off into the night to scrub myself down with lye and carbolic acid.)

 

[Tickler2001]

Speaking for myself,

I don't have any intolerance towards m/m tickling. This thread doesn't bother me neither does posts, clips, pics or stories of this type on this site bother me. The conversation about it is interesting as well. I am just repulsed by the thought of me participating in it.

So I'm not condeming anyone else for their tastes.

 

[Kujman1]

Whoa boys!



First off, drop the homophbia and the fictional thoughts that I'm tyring to force ANYone to be what they're not. That's a slice of homophobic-dementia. Also actually try to fathom what I say, and from what level and platform I say it from. Next try to understand that I too love to see females above all else in tickling torment, among other things. BUT I also speak from experience in saying that there's MORE to it all... and one should open their view, thats all... and ladies love to see a guy tickle another guys foot as much as you like to see f/f. Sex is NOT the issue here, and that seems to be confused with tickling over and over.

It seems a lot of feathers got ruffled here... people accusing me of being "too harsh" or "ragging" on others... my mistake- I thought I was addressing adults.... not walking on eggshells with those unsure of themselves :0

I suggest you re-read what others first posted and then what I wrote. I responded to that. Adults are suppossed to reach out and grow... at least that's what I believe intelligent people do in this scene and other scenes. At least if you wish your scene to be deeper and involve more folks.

I clearly stated everyone is entitled to their own tastes. NO where do I say you HAVE to try m/m and like it, or even try it at all.

We are ALSO entitled to express our individual experience related to such matters, such as I did. My response was based on that experience... and also clealy aimed at the rush of posts that expressed such "horror" at the mere thought of m/m tickling- when at the same time expecting and desiring to see f/f action day in and out. Now if someone cannot understand that element, and feels they've been treated "too harshly", or has not read the text correctly and thinks I am trying to force them to try m/m action- then I'm sorry because you're not comprehending the issue... and I thought we were all wise enough to understand and try to reach out and grow... am I wrong in that thought?

Qjakal mentioned that "implications were made" against women's characters and so forth... assuming this is aimed at my post, there were no implications by me at all: I KNOW this community all to well, before and during the internet. I know the homophobia that exists and what guys think, as does everyone. Therefor my comments were acurrate. My personal view of women is lofty and very classy: I do NOT see them as babes. Read anything I've written and you can see that. HOWEVER- this community as a whole, male dominated, does see them as topless "babes". Just take a look around at any of 100 tickling sites. I was merely poking a bit of fun at the majority of guys in this scene who think that way. I'd estimate that about 95% of males treat them that way, talk about them that way, and act that way... in real life... on other boards... and even here guys have referred to a girl as a "blonde" or babe. There's little room for this in the scene any more, just as there is any homophobia.

Homophobia is a fear based soley on lack of any factual information and high school fears perhaps. Gay men do NOT put the moves on straight guys- they'd much rather have a guy who is already gay. Also-tickling a guy does NOT make you gay nor make you look gay. It's merely tickling. Unfortunately it'll take another 100 years to get mankind to understand this.

Tickler2001 told me to keep my "lectures" to myself.

Lol. Brother, you MUST be new 😀

Besides, they're not lectures- they're balanced views and ideas on community and scene life.

Perhaps many agree with his comment.

If I did what you ask, AS DID OTHERS LIKE MYSELF, then this community would never advance one inch. There would be no new factual knowledge of bondage, sm, tickling, or more in depth scenes. Just repeated fictional stories and dreams. I'm trying to EXPAND your thinking, you're fighting to keep it in a box? Which makes more sense?-

Before you tell me to keep my ideas to myself ask yourself if thats what you and everyone else really wants. I actually go out and make it happen- do you?? We can learn from each other, and grow... or you can just stay where you are if it makes you happy.

Dodger- yours is the post that really set it off, your attitude is the most common in the outside world, and if guys like me clammed up and didn't spread what we know, see, and feel... trying to perhaps help you see the other side of things, look outside your tiny perception... then guys like you would still be walking about with their knuckles dragging on the ground.

You also would never have had a magazine called Tied & Tickled, the first tickling publication because I would have clammed up and gone with the flow like everyone else did when they were all against it.

Anyway, I stand by what I say. Even though I prefer a female scene over all to everything, it rubs some guys the wrong way that I have a range that includes something like this and can accept all types of people. Perhaps what annoys most is that I have the guts or balls to simply stand up and say it.

Either way, it's nothing to lose sleep over. Do what makes you happy. Be who you want to be. Go as far as you wish to or as little as you wish to.

KJ

 

[Oblesklk]

it's great to see that a) no one's resortin' t'name-callin', and b) no one is bein' chastised for their personal views.

You people are a fine group. It's moments like this that make the hassles of moderatin' here, and hostin' gatherings, worth it BEYOND the tickling. You're a good crew, whether or not you share my identical tendencies!

I echo DVNC's sentiments here. It becomes quite apparent as these forums get a bit crowded, that several different sets of screen names will be representing several different religions, regions, backgrounds, tax brackets, and all the other arbitrary items the human mind has devised to separate us....but despite all this, we can, at times, have semi rational discussions on topics that aren't comfortable with everyone. That is what these forums are all about, and I want to thank the founders for pushing their dreams into our reality.

JEEESH......... what a bunch of hypocrits and chickens YOU guys are. What a disappointment. Everyone is entitled to their tastes for sure.... but those "macho" attitudes attached to them went out with the dark ages of the 90's-

I can see your viewpoint to an extent. But it's not just a quirk that is unique to this community...ask just about any "average fellow" who watches porn of any variety, and he'll most likely tell you that F/F items are hot, and that he even has several F/F fantasies. OK, fair enough. But bring up any M/M porn or fantasies to the same guy- and you'll get a very blank look, followed by a look of suspicion. So while it is a double standard, to be sure, it's not one specific to our niche.

But I am befuddled a little bit by the "hypocrite and chickens" remark. In my post, I merely stated that it never came up. I've never thought, nor will I ever think, that */M items are wrong or base or vile. It just hasn't come up in my life. I was raised in a rather conservative atmosphere, and the whole topic of guys tickling each other just doesn't come up. Even in my liberals arts, massive American university days, it didn't come up then, either (despite the presence of tens of thousands of young men, whose urges and sexual prowess are at their peak).

I wasn't interested in persuing that aspect of my sexuality, and the opportunity never presented itself, either. But I wouldn't necessarily call myself a "chicken" for not actively persuing that aspect of my sexuality. There are several guys out there who are interested in electrocutions and hairy females for their sexual tastes. I don't look down upon them in the slightest, it just isn't my taste. And I'm comfortable that I haven't missed out on anything, because I know it just wouldn't suit my personality.

That being said, would I consider being a part of F/M or M/M tickling? Well sure, just ask my fiancee about it. Although her laughter is a symphony of divine fate in my ears, I do like giving her a turn 😉 But involving another man? It depends 100% on the situation. It wouldn't automatically be ruled out.

M/M tickling is like many forces of nature. I'm not against it, I'm not for it. It just is.