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Men wearing dresses as a fashion statement

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<"Thing is, you should express that opinion in a manner that shows you're not trying to piss people off. Its pretty clear your troll like behavior has been allowed way too much for way too long. Not sure why that is..."-Chicago>

DontAskJusTckle said:
Hey come on, now. The man gives an honest opinion without insulting anybody, but because it's unpopular, you hint that he's a troll that should be banned?? There's a danger in preaching against intolerance. It's all good until you realize that statements like "behavior has been allowed way too much for way too long" show far more intolerance than that which offended you in the first place.
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she said that to me too at one time too....:shrug:
 
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I usually just operate under the "I don't really care what you do as long as you don't try to make me do it with you" mentality. If you wanna wear a dress, go on and do it. If you wanna wear a toilet seat around your neck, sure but I hope you at least washed it first.

It really has no affect on me so I don't know why I would need to formulate and form of judgement about it. It may look strange but that's more of the fact that it's uncommon to see rather than it being wrong. Wearing clothes in the first place is "unnatural" so it's kind of pointless to draw the line anywhere if you ask me.
 
TMF Jeff said:
We have an established precedent of being intolerant of intolerance. It may be hypocritical, but it does wonders for improving the emotional tone of the forum.
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Your policy isn't hypocritical. Unlike the others, you have to balance giving people freedom to express themselves with your responsibility to maintain an atmosphere free of hostility. That requires some tough calls from time to time, and I don't envy you having to be the one to make them.

In Maniac's defense, I would ask you to consider the possibility that what he expressed wasn't intolerance, but rather a disapproving opinion of a particular fashion statement as laid out by the OP. Fashion critics make a living giving much harsher wardrobe criticism than Maniac did, and do so entirely without bigotry.

I think the bigger issue in this thread is Wolf. Maniac's comments were aimed at the specified fashion statement rather than any individual, but Wolf picked a fight with three specific people in this thread alone, and seems to have appointed himself as the TMF's own PC Sheriff. No good can come of that, in my opinion.
 
A Macho man >>> I mean a really alpha-male by heart from head to cuticle, who wears female dress would certainly look odd, in my humble opinion.

It won't look odd to me if a man wearing a female dress is a full-fledged transgender or gay. I can respect that.

It means, I'm with maniac's opinion here. Hope I didn't ignite further intolerance.
 
maniactickler said:
Its disgusting. :facepalm:
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maniactickler said:
Its my opinion. I personally think its very strange for a man to wear a dress.
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I think there's a big difference between saying it's disgusting, and saying you personally don't like it. You can personally have an opinion about something without making a blanket condemnation.

And by the way, nobody is stopping you from saying it. People are weighing in on it, and letting you know how it made them feel that you chose to put it that way.

Bohemianne said:
A Macho man >>> I mean a really alpha-male by heart from head to cuticle, who wears female dress would certainly look odd, in my humble opinion.

It won't look odd to me if a man wearing a female dress is a full-fledged transgender or gay. I can respect that.

It means, I'm with maniac's opinion here. Hope I didn't ignite further intolerance.
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Which opinion are you with? That it's strange to you? Or that it's "disgusting?"
 
I had friends in the 90's who were doing it so this isn't really new. But I like that Men still do it. 🙂
 
chicago said:
How so?
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You raised an objection that Maniac chose his words poorly - that they were designed to "piss people off." But the meme you posted has a similar derision in that it suggests men wearing dresses is gay. Not gay as in "Celebrate Gay Pride," but rather gay as in "Ewww, that is sooo gay!" True, the meme doesn't come out and say that, but the phrase, "Have a Gay day," attached to an image of a man in a dress seems pretty scornful to me, with a considerable potential to piss people off.

Not that it bothers me, I just don't think it is sending the message you want it to. But I could certainly be wrong about that.
 
TMF Jeff said:
Which opinion are you with? That it's strange to you? Or that it's "disgusting?"
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"Odd" - strange, unusual

I'm not really disgusted with alpha-male who would do it. For me it would be odd. I have known men (friends, etc) who would call themselves "true male." By experience in my place and time, they certainly would feel/react almost exactly like the way maniac expresses it in his words, actually, almost exactly. They might even ridicule a pal who does it. I see that, maybe, maniac just didn't express it the way the forum wants to read it.

I attended a club party, male-driven group, in the past where the TRUE MALES, and physically fit ones, made an amusement by wearing female costumes at midnight, but that became a very amusing and hilarious part of the show. We all enjoyed it. THESE men won't wear female dresses in business time (regular time) in the streets. They certainly won't. They only do it for fun.

When a man decides to do unusual things for a cause, I don't even care. The world will simply react to it, and they are basically unforgiving. This is just how it works in public.

That's just my personal experience of it.
 
DontAskJusTckle said:
You raised an objection that Maniac chose his words poorly - that they were designed to "piss people off." But the meme you posted has a similar derision in that it suggests men wearing dresses is gay. Not gay as in "Celebrate Gay Pride," but rather gay as in "Ewww, that is sooo gay!" True, the meme doesn't come out and say that, but the phrase, "Have a Gay day," attached to an image of a man in a dress seems pretty scornful to me, with a considerable potential to piss people off.

Not that it bothers me, I just don't think it is sending the message you want it to. But I could certainly be wrong about that.
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I guess if you see being gay or dressing female as shameful then yeah but I didn't get that.
 
:popcorn: I'll say this for maniactickler's post. It caused a lot more responses than I think this thread otherwise would have gotten.
 
chicago said:
Does wearing a dress make you a false male, bohemianne?
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Definitely. If I see a male (say a mesomorph-type) wearing a dress, without knowing him personally, it will make impression to me that he is a transgender.

If I personally know the person, then he won't be a false male to me. Maybe he is an actor doing it for his job, or maybe he is doing it for a cause/reason.

[I'm a female, btw, lol... because the question asks with a pronoun "you," to avoid confusion. ]
 
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I second what DAJT said earlier; however you feel about maniactickler's comment, he didn't lash out at other members the way Wolf did. Is that acceptable?
 
Hemmen said:
I second what DAJT said earlier; however you feel about maniactickler's comment, he didn't lash out at other members the way Wolf did. Is that acceptable?
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If anyone feels that my "lashing out" was equally or more offensive than maniactickler's comment, I welcome their disapproval.
 
Hey! Hey guys, look! What's that? Oh my stars, it's a distraction!
A distraction from what? A distraction from this argument!
Look, it's shiny and pretty and makes us all want to get along! Right?
Let's look at that instead!
 
Personally, I don't care what other people wear, but it is really weird to me, only because I grew up with it being weird. Maybe some day people will get used to it, but even in the 24th century, the "man skirt" or skant as it was officially called by the designers, didn't last long.

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Wolf said:
Considering the monumental hypocrisy that's inherent in people coming to a sexual fetish forum to be intolerant, I'd say it's more than fair.
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If somebody is coming to this forum for the express purpose of showing intolerance, I'd say it's annoying and uncool. Frankly, that's the problem I have with the majority of your posts, Wolf. You picked a fight with three different people in this thread. What's up with that?

And while you're thinking of an answer to that, perhaps you can also explain what is "monumentally hypocritical" in expressing a negative opinion about a particular fashion statement in a sexual fetish forum?? Do you even know what hypocrisy is? Consider Maniac's statement to which you objected. For that statement to by hypocritical, you'd have to establish that Maniac either wears dresses himself, or has at some time expressed approval of men wearing dresses.

Finally, can you not see the hypocrisy in your own posts, which show intolerance for Maniac's alleged intolerance?
 
Maybe some clarification is needed here. The reason Wolf's posts were "equally or more offensive" is that he attacked Sensualswitch10, who said nothing that even remotely deserved such a response. (Whether he apologized for it is beside the point) Maniactickler's opinion, however distasteful it might be, didn't single anyone out.

Let me add: any perceived attack I made on Wolf was only in response to his uncalled for shot at Sensualswitch10. Let's head that off right now.
 
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