Michael Jackson fans?

[jj82277]

i'm sorry if you misunderstood me vlad, i was not trying to trick you or anything. I had just re-watched the Devil's Advocate which i had not seen in a long time, and i was just posing a would be fun hypothetical about facing a murder trial, not a child molestation trial. I wasn't trying to emply that you would put yourself in that position and if that is the way that you ttok it i appologize, i was just going off on a tangent as the mind sometimes does in the wee hours of the mourning.

I really don't get why so many people are put off by Jackson though. I mean he's wierd okay, but why does it have to go to the nth degree of saying that he should be in some mental institution or something like I think is just rediculous. If i had an obsession with plastic surgery i would lie about it too. I don't know if i would want the entire world to know what i do with my spare time. How many people on this forum tell everyone they know about what sites they are really visiting. case rested. I don't get why on a forum for people who share the common interest of seeing a human being tied up restrictively and in most cases sadistically tortured with the consensus worst most intolerable unavoidable sensation man/woman has ever had the pleasure/displeasure of feeling/enjoying, that so many among us make such an effort to touch base with "NORMALCY"

little kids yeh. if he did do things of a sexual nature to them that's bad. and he should be punished and treated and never permitted to play peter pan ever again, but i still despite the consensus am not convinced of any criminal wrong doing on his part. hundreds of women every day kill their newborns. and most without any legal repricution. the guy had a sleepover. I don't do it but that doesn't make him a monster.

If its nothing more than idol worship of a peter pan like image then is it really any different from any of the other childish, seemingly wierd pursuits that we have in our everydy lives. as a guy watching football whenever there is a fumble and all 22 players are running after this inanimate object i always think to myself billions of dollars and 48 hours a year out of my life for some leather and air. when i write tickling stories to my girlfriend the voice i hear in my head is that of anthony Hopkins talking to Jodie foster. I think a few of you have seen that movie. does that make me crazy, if it does she doesn't mind. Does imitating someone percieved to be wierd or unordinary make ma a mental patient. and mine expressly implys sadistic behavior to another one of God's creatures. I just think that its part of the human package, and that not being normal is normal. I mean i even know people that Idolize transylvanian guys with bad accents and pointy teeth, how did that happen,

anyway i know that was long and probably incoherent but ...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

First, I didn't assume that you thought that I thought you were intentionally comparing me to Jackson.

Second, I'm not exactly a fetishist, so that would not apply to me. So I can make outside comments without being a complete hypocrite.

Third, idolizing (which I am NOT doing) a fictional character is one thing, immitating them is another. I simply like the fictional aspect of Vladislaus Dracula, but thats where I draw the line. I do not idolize him, thats too strong a word. Jackson however is perplexed to a point where he has an identity crisis thats getting him into trouble. I know who I am, and its not a transylvanian vampire count. I'm not THAT immersed into the idea as Jackson would be. I'm no goth or occultist or anything like that, so my interest in Dracula is purely superficial as far as being a vampire goes.

"How did that happen?"

Simple. I'll answer it. I like his appearance and personality as portrayed in the movie Van Helsing. I also bare a resemblance (however slight), people say, to Richard Roxburgh, the actor who played Vladislaus.

Its more a liking than a belief that I am or are pretending to be. Any time you may have seen me RP is just that, rping, and its always been so playful that I've never taken it seriously. Not here, not anywhere. In fact, this is the only site that I use this SN or identify anything with Dracula. I don't idolize so much as I see resemblances in the performance itself, by Roxburgh. As quite literally, I may not have liked Dracula because of that, had it not been believable or good. I had no particular care for the portrayals of Dracula or the character himself until Richard played him. So its more a liking for the actor and what he brought out, than the actual character himself, to which I do not personally identify, but whom I like at face value.

Michael Jackson however is so far off the deep end that trying to draw a parallel between him and I or anyone else whose more sane actually is really something.

You may not have been meaning to insult me before, but now you may be doing just that, however uninttentional it may be. To compare the likes of him to us, even if only in the context that you did, isn't even fair. LOL!

Its the word "idolize" that was innappropriate. Everything else you said in regards to others and fetishes, excluding myself, may very well be true, but I wouldn't know as I am not them.

 

[jj82277]

"woah woah, I'm sensing a little bit of hostility at the end of the 45 secondse," (future-8 mile) getting a little bit defensive mr. Vlad. don't worry it will be hour little secret that you are still developing your vampire hero worship. Its very charming, and very sweet (I'm kidding)

so let me get this straight. You have an animated picture of the guy. recently adopted his screen name. cite his wellknown location, and that's not idolizing. honest mistake, i can only judge what i see on cbs (just kidding)

In the last 11 months you have made 1857 post on a tickling forum. thats roughly 170 posts a month. almost 6 a day. (might be a little off mental math). but oh, you wouldn't happen to have a tickle fetish. and stupid me for thinking that right. my bad, see there was this documentar and i just had to go along with it. (just kidding)

Thank you so much for proving my point. Let me ask it this way. If i were to release these facts to a group of people, without any retort from you, what would they think? I'm pretty sure that in the eyes of most you would be a wanna be dracula tickle freak, you have to concede that. but where we would be wrong is not taking into acount your side of the story.

just because you put up a few pictures of a guy. or name your ranch in hollywood after a guy. doesn't mean that you are him, or that you have an identity crisis. it might be that you just see some resemblences however slight and just think its a cool thing to do. that does not mean that your are a bloodsucking monster sir, and frankly peter pan wasn't all that bad so i think we can move on. (Just kidding)

And just because someone takes an interest in children doesn't mean that they have a fetish just as if you were a member of a tickle fetish site doesn't mean that you have a tickle fetish. I mean look at grade school teachers and camp counselors. i that it would be impractical for Jackson to take either one of these jobs, so if he wants to share his wealth with kids less fortunate a salue. Just because some money grubbing woman and some scheming fathers wanted to take advantage of him it would be wrong for us a a public to convitc him in our minds without giving him the benefit of the doubt. But i don't know how easy it would be to explain the fact that he was an over active member of nambla. i mean 170 posts is a lot. that means that you pratically live on a site. I've cited a lot of people who are around kids and don't have a child fetish, but i don't know that many other people on this forum who enjoy the conversation that much. I don't think it looks all that good for you vlad. (just kidding)

speaking from a strrictly circumstancial point of view i think you would have a more uphill climb than jacko their vlad. but that's just it circumstancial. taking small bits of information and deriving this alternate realityt of facts we created that is based on facts that we thought we knew. just based on what you know about Jackson might lead you to one conclusion, just based on what i know about you just leads me to my own conclusion, and in my personal oppinion i think that i too could construct a world in which i could say that the first year of admission is the toughest and that vlad is just experiencing the first year jitters that we all went through and is still not willing to accept the fact that he is a fetishist, and that the identificatin of a dark, yet playfull figure that most lers have and most lees seek out is just evidence to that fact. I could string together an argument of fancy terms and make it seem as though i were some psycho analyst, but that wouldn't make it any more true. your free ofcourse to make your own oppinions, you might not be as kind hearted as i am but i always extend everyone the curtousy of the doubt and i will choose to believe you about your interests and your choice of forums. I'm sure that really doesn't atter to you what i think and it shouldn't, I'm just making a point.

 

[jj82277]

strike that. that's 23 months 82 a month. two and a half per day. Its early what can i say.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

But none of those are true about me, I can say that with utter and complete confidence. I have absolutely nothing to hide or deny, or lie to myself about.

Actually, I had a conversation with a friend last night about this, and he mentioned that he had a friend over and couldn't be here on TT. I asked why, having forgotten that some people are either embarassed for people to know, or it would cause some sort of problem for them.

I'm so used to being open about things that for that moment I had forgotten that a great many of the people here are keeping their fetish a secret, and alot of them for very good reasons, particularly our businessmen and women, whose reputuation in a business environment is very important and easily crushed by even rumors of such a fetish.

I've got nothing to lose. Let me put it that way. I've got nothing to lose because I don't have this fetish, and I've got nothing to lose because there would be no drawback to my telling my friends.

For someone else to do it however would be a malicious act, as clearly they, like you in fact, could paint a false picture and assume a great deal, especially about my personality and character and what it has to do with a fictional character and my choice of completely superficial avatar.

I realize you are trying to say no one has a right to assume anything about Jackson either, but mocking me and then saying "just kidding" afterwards is hardly to be believed though I do. You might as well be meaning what you say about me, as clearly you had no reserves about saying it oh so eloquantly. If I didn't know better, and see right through your sarcasm, I probably wouldn't like you right now.

But I still do. Why? Because you're a tough one. You've proven your character to me, as far as I'm concerned and I hope to see more of you around here when theres a topic of interest, such as this. We desperately need people of your caliber here to engage others in worth-while conversations. It can get lonly knowing people don't want to take it to the level that you do sometimes. Perhaps I've found a kindrid spirit in you. 🙂



Now, if I may, I'd like to explain why I am NOT a fetishist but why I am a presense in the tickling community. Afterwards, you will believe what you want either way, even after my telling the truth, but to me its truth so theres no second guessing for me. I've already told this story to different people and them knowing the truth is often a reason why some people don't wish to know me. As I am not one of them in earnest, I am treated like an outcast.

In actuality, I first arrived in the community in the form of a yahoo group, my yahoo group, which still exists today. It was about two years ago. The group was just a fanart site, and fanart is primarly what I do.

It wasn't until I started getting different requests that I became curious as to where these requests were coming from. By looking around I came across a site called the TMF. I registered in order to get in contact with these individuals who had spoken to me prior.

Almost immediately I was welcomed by people with open arms, and at this point it really had nothing to do with my art. They were just a good bunch of people. And when I went to the general discussions forum, I noticed there too were a bunch of intellects with lots of things to say.

And I was really taken back. I was honestly expecting these people to be perverts actually and no conversations like this to be taking place let alone there being a forum just for that. But to see that there were family men there, family women, people from good upbringings with values, standards, even religious and spiritual standards (on a fetish board no less) I really started to identify with them and continued to make friends.

I felt, after a while, that I might as well contribute. And so began a steady stream of requests which led to me eventually drawing fetishy type picture on my own accord. Time goes on, etc.

So basically, my friend, I'm here as a participating member and the post ratio you bring up, is a reflection of my liking for this place. You'll also notice that most of my posts are made in the general discussions section. I hardly ever speak in the tickling section, and when I do, its not in the capacity that people would assume. I do what I do as a service to the community. It doesn't make me a fetishist, even in drawing fetishy type work, simply because by definition I am not one. I do draw the stuff as a service. Most fetish artists I see draw nothing but fetish work. I'm sure if you'll investigate, you'll learn that tickling pictures are just ONE thing I draw. I do enjoy drawing it, just as much as I enjoy anything else I draw, as it is for others as well. I wouldn't draw something if I didn't like it.

Since I've been in the community for a considerable ammount of time, I've blended in so much and have learned what makes fetishists tick that I've actually forgotten that you are all fetishists to some degree. If I was taken back by you all in a bad way, I wouldn't post at all, and I would have left a long time ago.

I'm the odd man out I suppose. And as I mentioned early, theres a contempt for me, by some, simply because I come from the outside. Perhaps they feel I'm making fun of them, or studying them like some lab rat. I'm not. I just see what I see in my daily experiences here. Its sad, and funny actually, that THEY are the ones who are being narrow-minded, and not me. Its like they feel I've encroched on their territory and I'm some threat. Would a threat happily draw pictures for people, and free of charge no less? The more and more I draw it, the more I like it, and the less contemptable, for them at least, I should seem.


Bottom lining it, I don't see you all as fetishists, I see you as people and friends. Furthmore, my position here in the community at large is beneficial. I am not judging you. I'm in the grey, as a matter of fact. I can see the contempt the outside has for you, but I don't feel the same way, as I am in the grey and see you for who you really are, not one aspect of your life that isn't necessarily dommineering. I am fortunate enough to have had this treatment of you go full circle, as it seems evident to me that some of my friends here don't even think about me in this way, they just know me as me, without a care to whether or not I am a fetishist like them. I'm an outside presense, but a welcome one, and that makes me happy. :happy:

Now, again, as for the Vladislaus thing, its just an avatar. The quotes, are just quotes. I know you're joking, but for someone whose joking you sure seem set on proving the point either way. I just want to make it crystal clear, just as I have with the fetish thing, that all of what you said in regards to me couldn't be more wrong and unsubstanciated.


Which brings us back to the topic of Jackson. True, people are assuming a great deal, but some of it is substanciated. Whether or not this circumstancial evidence is false and doctored or true and thus guilty as sin, is another matter. The point is Jackson has a history and gives people a reason to be wary of him. And some of it has nothing to do with children.

 

[jj82277]

i appologize if any of my satirical rantings got under your skin. i don't think they did that much but uderstand that i was just trying to prove a point. I welcome with open arms anyone from the outside to take part in this forum. That just brings us closer to the day in which we can all just walk around and tell people in casual conversation about our interests without fear of rejection or alienation and I think that shl\ould be the goal of all of us. I APPOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF A NYONE WHO HAS MADE YOU FEEL UNWELCOME BEAUSE SOME OF US ARE STILL SEARCHING FOR OUR SELF CONFIDENCE.

I applaud you for the depth at which you have explained your presence here. As i stated before i truly ad deeply took you at your word in your earlier post, but it is an interesting story. The only point that i was trying to make was not just to look at the cover of things. everyone knows that story. The depths i went to make a compelling argument that you were a certain way was just giving an example about how facts taken out of context can be amplified.

I think my personal stake in defending this man is because I see so many people displace, harm, or yes even kill their children on an everyday basis and i just don't like to see people vilanized for actually liking kids. I volunteered as a teen at a summercamp as a junior counselor for most of my time in high school and i had a blast. I eagerly anticipate fatherhood, and being an uncle to my sisters kids. I think that the lady who systematically drowned 5 children needs help and shold be the subject of such label and redicule. at worst i just think that jackson may need to be supervise around kids if he is found guilty, (but Mesaro is killing these kids on cross so i wouldn't really worry about that.)

And thank you for the kind personal words Vlad. I think that they were very charming and very sweet (just kidding, really). But i too am always looking for intillectual adversaries to engage with. I just hope that in thne future we can find ourselves on the same side of some issues. If i find the time i plan on running the gauntlet of third rail issues such as SS reform (oh god no). It greatly pleases me to havbe someone outside our community visit us and find that we are not all crazy. I look forward to conversing with you in the future. I hope that you can thrall me with your intillect.

ta ta,

Dr. H. Lecter M.D.

>: ) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Theres nothing to apologize about, really. You just strongly stated your case, and to be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of people do that here lately. It actually caught me off guard, I was really prepared, my debating/conversational skills had fallen dorment a bit, but you have awoken them once again. Thank you for that. 🙂

As for the welcome, thanks for that too. I don't honestly expect everyone to feel as you do and to be so accepting, but I'm glad that there are such people. Fetishists, like any other groups, have a way of being elitists at times, but thats ok, I can understand why.

Theres no need to apologize on their behalf, the majority of the people I've spoken to these past few years have been most accomidating and patient. I'm sure they've learned from me just as I've learned from them. I mean, I always knew what a foot fetish was, or what a fetish in general was, but I had never seen nor spoken to a person with one until online anyway.

We're people all the same. I have the benefit of knowing you and not judging you because of ignorance like so many others most likely do or would if they knew. In all honesty, I don't see what the big deal is. As I said, most of you are wholesome, family-orriented people with values and standards. I would only take a real concern to it, for your sakes, if the fetish itself controlled you like a master. Then its a problem. Theres much more to life than quirks and fetishes, and theres much, much more to life than labeling people, marginalizing them and then casting a shadow over them.

This whole "underground secrecy" approach I see the tickling community taking is sad and should be unnecessary. I read some of the threads. And I can see how desperate some people are to make sure no one finds out and what lengths they go to. Its obvious it means a great deal to them. You should be able to just come on out and say it and have people understand you. I too look forward to the day people get passed initial impressions and really, honestly try to get and know people here before they judge them. The only truely just judgement is from God Himself. We've no place to do it.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."- Jesus Christ

Later then,

Damien

 

[jj82277]

Ahh a biblical scholar. I thought there was something that i liked about you. That would be a welcome revelation. I remember when a former member of this forum proclaimed her satanic religion and called all christians ignorant basically. It was my first post, and most spirited shalacking of another human being (i wouldn't say debate because she didn't really have anything to retort with. And low and behold the mod's stopped the thread, but that's another story.

and by damien do you mean your real name or is this an omen joke. you have to forgive me im a little slow.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

LOL, no my real name really is Damien, Damian n spanish. My mother named me after my grandmother (at least I think it was my grandmother), whose name was Damianna.

And I don't remember the Omen series. Its possible I've never seen it. I do know that Sam Neil plays Damien in the sequels.

Dracula is supposed to be or is rumored to be the son of the devil (possibly the devil himself), as Damien is in the Omen movies. That was a coincidence when choosing this SN.